Nice. This draft is loaded and good to stock up on more picks this year and preserve a first for next. Hopefully the Saints are garbage.

17 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Yes, it makes tons of sense.  2 years is an eternity in the NFL.  Rebuilds are 2-3 yr projects.  If you take 4 yrs like Cleveland did, your core players all need new contracts just as you become a contender.

Having core players needing new contracts is precisely the time you need high round talent on rookie contracts. This way you can pay everyone.

Most importantly, the 2022 Eagles are certainly not the 2022 Browns. This would change the equation a little (if the end goal is maximizing what happens in the extremely short term).

15 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

I know we shouldn't root for injuries, but Winston going down would make that a heck of a pick next year.

Winston not going down will make that a heck of a pick. Win win.

Was a good trade by Howie.  Plain and simple - he is hedging his bets with Hurts.  He gave himself some trade power for next year to move up to get a QB.  That's all this trade was about.  

Was good value and smart.  There are now 5 teams with 2 firsts next year...one thing is for sure, if Howie wants to move up for a QB next year the price is going to be sky high.  We have to hope the Saints really suck this year so that pick is as high as possible for value purposes (unless we suck too and our pick is high).

If our own pick and the Saints pick both end up in the 15-20 range, the price to move into the top 5 is going to be CRAZY as I'm sure they will be competing with others who have multiple first rounders as well.  That said, at least Howie put us in the conversation.  And as of right now, it's a reasonable bet that the Saints' pick will at least be top 12-ish if not firmly inside the top 10.

33 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

They had to let a lot of guys go this year.  I suspect guys like Thomas & Kamara will be moved as soon as they are healthy and they can afford the dead money.  Cap space issues have them so tied up they can't even move bad contracts right now.

Sounds vaguely familiar ... 

16 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

 

I’m not so sure. I think you look at getting more value on draft day when maybe someone shocking is still on the board and a team wants to trade up. Or someone willing to give a 2nd this year and first next. This is THE draft for the Eagles to just get BPA and there’s a lot of them at positions of need. 
 

I just have a feeling it was a bit premature, there could be 3 studs that they love at 15-19 that could’ve factored in as well. 

15 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

I’m not so sure. I think you look at getting more value on draft day when maybe someone shocking is still on the board and a team wants to trade up. Or someone willing to give a 2nd this year and first next. This is THE draft for the Eagles to just get BPA and there’s a lot of them at positions of need. 
 

I just have a feeling it was a bit premature, there could be 3 studs that they love at 15-19 that could’ve factored in as well. 

I would generally agree, but if the actual goal was to get a 2023 first rounder, it's hard to imagine any team being willing to give that up on draft day because most cases in history when that has happened, it's been for a QB.  Highly unlikely any team would be willing to give up that kind of capital for a QB in this draft class.

 

1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said:

Uhm, no.  Picks in future drafts have depreciated value, lost cost opportunity basically.  As a general rule of thumb, for every year in the future you deduct a rd.  So that 2nd rdr in 2024 is worth a 4th rd in 2022.

I think he’s looking at the Draft Pick Value Chart not the Johnson chart one but you’re right, he not depreciating the future picks properly. If you look at the Draft Pick Value Chart, the Saints won this trade by a mile. Probably by about 400 or so points which is equivalent to a 2nd rounder this year. 

44 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Sounds vaguely familiar ... 

They were at least competitive for how many years so their bad cap is excusable

1 hour ago, GoEagles614 said:

What a strange trade without seeing who’s on the board first  

Trading out of the first for a 3rd, next year 1st, and next next year 2nd? 
 

Also the saints aren’t really bums. I’d understand if these moves were for a much lesser team, but we could be essentially trading down multiple times

There’s so much DL/WR/DB talent in this draft that I figured adding top 75 picks this year would be key, and hope to add some for next year.

 

They still have two firsts this year. 

Don't have an issue with this honestly.   We moved down a few spots with our two First Round picks and got an extra First Round pick for next year.   I knew Howie wasn't going to pick three players in the first round.   Feels like we got more out of this deal.   

 

1 hour ago, EaglesAddict said:

Was a good trade by Howie.  Plain and simple - he is hedging his bets with Hurts.  He gave himself some trade power for next year to move up to get a QB.  That's all this trade was about.  

This.

Value wise it's a lateral move.  Lesser points value but more high picks.  What it's really about is still being on the fence with Hurts + not liking this QB class.

2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Looking at the contract they gave Winston I'm not convinced they are going QB, I struggle to believe they gave him a $14million signing bonus to have him back up a first round pick QB. Winston was pretty good there last year, best QBR of his career and nudging 5-1 TD to Int. through 7 games and beat Green Bay and Tampa, also drafting a QB would mean they're paying Dalton $3 million dollars to hold a clipboard?   

They need major help at Receiver and O Line, if they did move up again my bet would be to try and snag one of Neal, Ekwonu or Cross or they stay put and take Lindebaum and one of the WR's.

Fair point there. But what's to say they don't sit the rookie for a year? Maybe they wanted 2 picks so they could trade up a few spots to get a QB plus add another player with their other pick. 

31 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

I think he’s looking at the Draft Pick Value Chart not the Johnson chart one but you’re right, he not depreciating the future picks properly. If you look at the Draft Pick Value Chart, the Saints won this trade by a mile. Probably by about 400 or so points which is equivalent to a 2nd rounder this year. 

Exactly, Eagles get LESS pt value, but more picks, and a solid roll of the dice that the Saints will suck and we win the trade outright.  If Saints finish bottom 10 next year, Eagles win the points value.

1 hour ago, judunno said:

Nice. This draft is loaded and good to stock up on more picks this year and preserve a first for next. Hopefully the Saints are garbage.

Without Sean Peyton and Drew Brees, the Saints will become

 

58 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

I think he’s looking at the Draft Pick Value Chart not the Johnson chart one but you’re right, he not depreciating the future picks properly. If you look at the Draft Pick Value Chart, the Saints won this trade by a mile. Probably by about 400 or so points which is equivalent to a 2nd rounder this year. 

By a mile?  Can you show me the math on that mile?

Basically a 1st this year for a 3rd this year, a 1st next year and a 2nd after that.

The Saints are giving up picks 18 and 101.  Then they give the Eagles their #1 next season, so lets say they pick at #8, adding 32 for the devaluation makes it a 40.  Then they get their #2 the season after that.  Let's say they're drafting 16 that year, so that's 48, now devalue that by 64 picks (or two rounds) and it's pick #112.  So basically compare giving up picks 18, 101, 40 and 112 for the Eagles 16, 19 and 194.  Show me the mile math here please...unless I missed something? 

Let's put the chart down for a minute and think this through.  Seriously. 

On draft day anything is possible, but do you think that a team might have offered better than that?  Maybe a 2nd this year and a 1st next season?  Maybe a slide down and stay in the first while picking up a....fourth maybe?

Then there's also the thought that you might not get so many calls.  Let's say no one slides...the leverage is the other way....

I don't think there's a mile on either end of this deal.  It really is a win win for both teams.  I don't think anyone seriously thought the Eagles were gonna make all three picks.  Personally, I think it was a good trade.  Now let's see what happens,

2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Without Sean Peyton and Drew Brees, the Saints will become

 

Only caveat there is that the NFC sucks and NFC South is one of the reasons why.  They had no business in the playoff chase last year and yet there they were til the last week.

2 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

Uhm, no.  Picks in future drafts have depreciated value, lost cost opportunity basically.  As a general rule of thumb, for every year in the future you deduct a rd.  So that 2nd rdr in 2024 is worth a 4th rd in 2022.

That’s a faulty way of viewing it; the picks aren’t depreciating, it’s the cost of getting a team to give up their pick combined with GMs perceiving later picks as lesser because they may not be around to make them.

If what you say is true, then every mid-round first today is worth more than multiple firsts in future years, as it’s worth more than 2 second round picks. If any team traded their first for 2 later firsts, it would be treated as highway robbery because that’s not at all their value. Or you could look at it as trading your second this year for a first next year…. Every single year for fair value. That means today I lose a second rounder, but every year after until the end of time I have 2 firsts and you have 0 with 2 seconds. That’s even value?

13 hours ago, paco said:

And it’s the pick from the Wentz trade.  So if you want to play the follow the picks game, Wentz and a 6th got us back a 1st, 2nd two 3rds and a 7th

Never understood why people do this

7 hours ago, BayAreaLennie said:

Until it wins a Super Bowl.

That doesn't make any sense

 

11 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

That’s a faulty way of viewing it; the picks aren’t depreciating, it’s the cost of getting a team to give up their pick.

If what you say is true, then every mid-round first today is worth more than multiple firsts in future years, as it’s worth more than 2 second round picks. If any team traded their first for 2 later firsts, it would be treated as highway robbery because that’s not at all their value.

It's a general rule of thumb to devalue by a round per year, but higher picks retain value better than others, kinda like Toyotas.  there are other factors too, like who gets more picks, who gets the highest pick and how good or bad the team giving away future picks will probably be.   Put it all together and the sainst and eagles probably have very similar value for both collections of picks.  Nobody "won" the trade until we know exactly where the future picks landed, but the Saints appear to have a slight edge in pts value for now with Eagles having the bigger upside.

 

More than anything though, the eagles hedged on Hurts and the Saints jumpstarted their phase 1 rebuild.

I love the trade...

Imagine  sitting there at 15,16 and 19. All the stud DL have gone and the top 2 CB's you wanted and the top 2 WRs.

We have witnessed Howie make panic decisions before when their targets have been taken before our spot and the disaster that follows.

Imagine that happening but with 3 1st rounders instead of one. Absolute carnage.

If they believe the players they want will be gone by 15 (Gardner, Walker, Hamilton) now is the time to trade rather than the hectic 10-15 minutes on draft night when our biggest F ups occur

5 minutes ago, MarkFrizzell said:

I love the trade...

Imagine  sitting there at 15,16 and 19. All the stud DL have gone and the top 2 CB's you wanted and the top 2 WRs.

We have witnessed Howie make panic decisions before when their targets have been taken before our spot and the disaster that follows.

Imagine that happening but with 3 1st rounders instead of one. Absolute carnage.

If they believe the players they want will be gone by 15 (Gardner, Walker, Hamilton) now is the time to trade rather than the hectic 10-15 minutes on draft night when our biggest F ups occur

Yeah i thought the value at positions of need was there for the Eagles to take all 3, but yeah, they probably did a couple too many mocks where they felt stuck making bad value picks.  the Ojabo injury didn't help.  they still have plenty of ammo to move around 3 weeks from now.

2 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

They had to let a lot of guys go this year.  I suspect guys like Thomas & Kamara will be moved as soon as they are healthy and they can afford the dead money.  Cap space issues have them so tied up they can't even move bad contracts right now.

But if they’re trying to implode the thing then why give up a 2023 1st just to get two 2022 firsts while dealing with cap issues? Wouldn’t it make more sense to go the opposite direction especially with them giving up a future 2nd and a current 3rd round pick as well? Also I don’t know exactly how the Saints contracts are right now, but I wonder how many of these contracts they have are even that movable to begin with considering their cap issues. There’s also the fact that in the league today teams do not make deals for running backs especially guys making a lot of money. After the pro bowl Vegas incident no one is touching Kamara any time soon. To me the Saints only make these moves if they believe they’re a quarterback away from something. This is the type of go for broke stuff the Eagles fans were hoping Roseman did this off-season to get a quarterback. 

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

They were at least competitive for how many years so their bad cap is excusable

That sounds vaguely familiar for both teams too. In that same span the Eagles are the team that got a ring recently.