2 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

This gave me a nerd boner.  Well done.

2 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Yes but the saints remained competitive after their ring. I wouldn't call what we did since 2018 competitive. In my opinion competitive to me is being able to get to the super bowl. 

You definitely contradict yourself … the Saints haven’t been back to the Super Bowl since winning theirs 12 years ago.  

8 minutes ago, time2rock said:

You definitely contradict yourself … the Saints haven’t been back to the Super Bowl since winning theirs 12 years ago.  

I know I didn't word it correctly. I meant that they have had teams that have been in super bowl conversations their record before last year was 11-5 13-3 x2 and 12-4 

3 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Yes but the saints remained competitive after their ring. I wouldn't call what we did since 2018 competitive. In my opinion competitive to me is being able to get to the super bowl. 

The Saints era of consistency is somewhat exaggerated. The haven’t been back to the Super Bowl in 12 years, and have only 8 playoff victories in that span of time. They also had several 7-9 teams since their super bowl victory to include 3 consecutive seasons. Conversely the Eagles have 4 playoff victories and only one losing season since their Super Bowl which was only 4 NFL seasons ago. Certainly the Saints had a lot of double digit seasons while the Eagles haven’t had as many recently, but I’m betting since Jeff Lurie brought the Eagles he has more SB appearances, and playoff victories than the Saints do in that same span. 

24 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I know I didn't word it correctly. I meant that they have had teams that have been in super bowl conversations their record before last year was 11-5 13-3 x2 and 12-4 

Overall it’s not quite fair to judge the Eagles off 4 years when you’re basing your point off 12 for the Saints. The Eagles had 4 coaching changes in that span. 

33 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I know I didn't word it correctly. I meant that they have had teams that have been in super bowl conversations their record before last year was 11-5 13-3 x2 and 12-4 

I caught that while reading further in the thread.  I was too lazy to go back and delete my response.  
 

But it does help that they had one of the better HCs in the league and a top QB as well.  

 

14 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I caught that while reading further in the thread.  I was too lazy to go back and delete my response.  
 

But it does help that they had one of the better HCs in the league and a top QB as well.  

 

Agreed. My point sucked moving on lol

26 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The Saints era of consistency is somewhat exaggerated. The haven’t been back to the Super Bowl in 12 years, and have only 8 playoff victories in that span of time. They also had several 7-9 teams since their super bowl victory to include 3 consecutive seasons. Conversely the Eagles have 4 playoff victories and only one losing season since their Super Bowl which was only 4 NFL seasons ago. Certainly the Saints had a lot of double digit seasons while the Eagles haven’t had as many recently, but I’m betting since Jeff Lurie brought the Eagles he has more SB appearances, and playoff victories than the Saints do in that same span. 

Hey man I was just taking a shot at Howie, I don't envy the saints or care about what they have done. Lol

2 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Sure. Using the Draft pick value chart. Each future pick is worth one less round per year. Also, for future picks, the team trading the pick should be placed in the middle of the future round (16) because we have no idea where they’ll be picking. 

Eagles get #18 = 900 pts

Eagles get #101= 96 pts 

Eagles get #237 = 2 pts

2023 1st Rd = 420 pts

2024 2nd Rd = 70 pts

total 1488

Saints get #16 = 1000 pts

Saints get #19 = 875 pts

Saints get #194 = 15 pts

total = 1890

 

Yikes, you think the Saints, new coach, no QB, no WR will do as well as they did this season....  that's.....optimistic.

 

23 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Hey man I was just taking a shot at Howie, I don't envy the saints or care about what they have done. Lol

No Howie shots approved today! He abused them this week. 😂🤣😂

3 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Howie looking like a genius despite lucking into Wentz wanting out of Philly. 

4 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

I'm no expert on the Saints, but I would believe that they do think they can get some 2023 draft capital back for guys like Kamara and Thomas.  They just need to be patient.  Thomas needs to show he's healthy and they can get a nice haul for him  Still plenty of teams, including the Eagles, that got caught holding their wangs in the crazy WR market.  As for Kamara, RB's are worthless in the offseason but make great pieces at the deadline.  That's plenty of time to sort out any suspensions and what not.  

They probably would have gotten more assets trading Armstead and Williams before the deadline last season than they would for Kamara and Thomas this season.

12 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

They probably would have gotten more assets trading Armstead and Williams before the deadline last season than they would for Kamara and Thomas this season.

They are in a bad spot for a reason.  They probably were trying to hold onto Payton so put off the rebuild a year longer than they should have.

2 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Huh, having a 1st round pick this year offers more value than next year. Every team would rather pick now than later. 

Clearly not every team.   There are EIGHT teams with multiple first round picks.  That means a QUARTER of the league opted to pick later for one reason or another.

You  make it seem like you're not familiar with draft day trades.  It is not uncommon for teams to trade a pick from the current year into the following year.  In this case, the Eagles got a pick for the next TWO years....also not unheard of.

For a team that is not a year away from contending, is it that much of a stretch to believe that you don't need to place all your eggs in one basket?

We shall see what draft day trades bring.  I guess we'll see if anybody manages a better trade?

25 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Howie looking like a genius despite lucking into Wentz wanting out of Philly. 

The trade for assets?  Yes.

The players selected?  TBD.  If it turns into players around the same quality as Dillard, Reagor, JJAW and Davion Taylor?

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The trade for assets?  Yes.

The players selected?  TBD.  If it turns into players around the same quality as Dillard, Reagor, JJAW and Davion Taylor?

That will be the big test.  This will all be a waste if the draft looks more like 2020 than 2021.

I suspect that this draft, and next year will seal Howie's fate.  By then this current three year extension will be over and either these two drafts have panned out, or it'll be time to move into a new direction.

I still think this trade makes the Eagles more likely to take up into top 10 this year for one of the top CBs

6 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The trade for assets?  Yes.

The players selected?  TBD.  If it turns into players around the same quality as Dillard, Reagor, JJAW and Davion Taylor?

We will see. Howie is the asset trade guru, but his drafts not so much. 

21 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

They are in a bad spot for a reason.  They probably were trying to hold onto Payton so put off the rebuild a year longer than they should have.

Seems similar to the Eagles in that aspect. They also have waited too long to rebuild themselves. In any case I hope the Saints lose every game. It’s better for the Eagles in the long run anyway. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

We will see. Howie is the asset trade guru, but his drafts not so much. 

At what point do we start pointing the finger at our scouts?

1 hour ago, Vee said:

Yikes, you think the Saints, new coach, no QB, no WR will do as well as they did this season....  that's.....optimistic.

 

The Saints are not a bad team by any stretch so don’t count your chickens. They’re just missing a QB and they probably made this move to get some ammo for Pickett. I’m not of the belief the Saints will be bad next year. I think they’re middle of the road, anywhere from 8-10 wins. They have a good OL, quality defense, great RB and if Thomas comes back healthy, a great WR. 

40 minutes ago, philafan4o8 said:

At what point do we start pointing the finger at our scouts?

That's the GM's job. There have been reports that Howie (maybe Lurie) override the scouts.  For example, it's been said the scouts wanted Jefferson but Howie (or Doug?) wanted Reagor.  Hard to know because there's always gossip about this team.  But, the GM is ultimately responsible and Andy Weidl is over personnel specifically (he came with Joe Douglas and has remained).  So if either of them thought the scouts were a problem, they are in position to do something about it.  Ultimately, it falls on the GM to make the picks.  If throughout the process of scouting and setting the draft board Howie didn't like what he saw, he is the one to do something about that.

Genius trade by Howie. Reminiscent of Colts & Dolphins trades where both franchises thought they were playoff teams and were not. This Saints team is worse than those 2 teams. Pick should be better than a mid-round 1st, with a better top part of draft in 2023. Looked at their schedule & only see 7 wins on there...at most. Looking like a Top 10 pick with just 7 wins & a gain of 6-8 spots very possible here.

35 minutes ago, Vee said:

Clearly not every team.   There are EIGHT teams with multiple first round picks.  That means a QUARTER of the league opted to pick later for one reason or another.

You  make it seem like you're not familiar with draft day trades.  It is not uncommon for teams to trade a pick from the current year into the following year.  In this case, the Eagles got a pick for the next TWO years....also not unheard of.

For a team that is not a year away from contending, is it that much of a stretch to believe that you don't need to place all your eggs in one basket?

We shall see what draft day trades bring.  I guess we'll see if anybody manages a better trade?

No crap, I don’t need a lesson on the draft from you. If you really want to deal one of the picks, you wait until draft day and see who’s available. They’re right in a position where someone might want a QB and you trade down into the 2nd round and pick up a 1st next year plus another pick. This trade seemed desperate to me. Why do it now? The only way you do it now is if the Saints blow you away with an offer which they didn’t. 

I like it. There was no way they were going to use all 3 picks. I don't expect them to use all the picks they have now either. Really not sure if I want Howie to trade down to accumulate even more picks since the team could use a lot of new blood.