13 minutes ago, vaff said:

Howie’ she most recent draft appears to be pretty good. Why are people still harping on 2019?

Because you can't truly judge a draft until about year 3..... Well here we are. 

51 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Ultimately Howie is the one making the choices regardless of what the scouting department says. Their job is to report information on players they’re told to scout. The NFL.com scouting reports have Reagor and Jefferson rated 6.36 and 6.46 respectively so there isn’t a big notion that Howie reached here, but the reason why the went for Reagor was due to the fact the liked his speed. That year all of their wide receivers drafted were speed guys. They wanted to get faster and they didn’t see that in Jefferson. They made a mistake, but this idea that the scouts fed Howie bad information is utter nonsense. 

Not sure where you get your "info” from but many "reports” I’ve seen indicate the scouts had JJ rated quite a bit higher and the only reason Howie went with Reagor was due to his speed.  I also recall many external scouting reports ranking JJ as the 3rd or 4th best receiver in his class and had Reagor as a 2nd rd prospect.  We can do this stupid exercise all day.  

3 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Not sure where you get your "info” from but many "reports” I’ve seen indicate the scouts had JJ rated quite a bit higher and the only reason Howie went with Reagor was due to his speed.  I also recall many external scouting reports ranking JJ as the 3rd or 4th best receiver in his class and had Reagor as a 2nd rd prospect.  We can do this stupid exercise all day.  

On NFL.com. Heck even during that period I looked at many different mock drafts basically having the Eagles selecting both players. Again the overall point though is for what the Eagles wanted Reagor was their guy. But I’m not going to ding the scouts for that. Howie’s the one who made the pick. 

25 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

On NFL.com. Heck even during that period I looked at many different mock drafts basically having the Eagles selecting both players. Again the overall point though is for what the Eagles wanted Reagor was their guy. But I’m not going to ding the scouts for that. Howie’s the one who made the pick. 

I never had a problem with the pick. Just sucks Reagor is stupid like everyone else Philly takes on their teams

1 hour ago, vaff said:

Howie’ she most recent draft appears to be pretty good. Why are people still harping on 2019?

Because 2017, 2019 and 2020 were all bad. 2021 was decent, but it takes 2-3 years to judge a draft. 

He is known nationally as being bad at drafting. 

 The GM should do his best to take the BPA, within reason, they passed on Fields and Parsons last season.  Fields is yet to be seen, I don’t think he’s nearly as bad as some think, and he deserves at least 1/2 a season behind a good O-line to make a fair judgment. Hurts btw, had a full season behind a top 3 line. 
 Everyone knew Parsons could rush the QB, but no one including the Cowboys knew he was going to be that successful, if so he should of been a top 4-5 pick at the lowest because of the QB’s in last seasons draft. 
 BPA within reason is not drafting a backup QB in the 2nd round when you just signed your starter to a big contract. 

10 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 The GM should do his best to take the BPA, within reason, they passed on Fields and Parsons last season.  Fields is yet to be seen, I don’t think he’s nearly as bad as some think, and he deserves at least 1/2 a season behind a good O-line to make a fair judgment. Hurts btw, had a full season behind a top 3 line. 
 Everyone knew Parsons could rush the QB, but no one including the Cowboys knew he was going to be that successful, if so he should of been a top 4-5 pick at the lowest because of the QB’s in last seasons draft. 
 BPA within reason is not drafting a backup QB in the 2nd round when you just signed your starter to a big contract. 

DeVonta Smith is pretty damn good, y'know. Is it in the Eagles Fans Handbook that we have to complain about EVERY pick, even the good ones?

1 minute ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

DeVonta Smith is pretty damn good, y'know. Is it in the Eagles Fans Handbook that we have to complain about EVERY pick, even the good ones?

When did I pee on Smith?   I didn’t because he’s a good draft pick.  The BPA "within reason” was about Hurts, and not drafting a player at a position you don’t need, at all. 
 They needed a WR, and drafted a good one in Smith, but would drafting a generational talent on defense been a mistake?  Nope!   It also wouldn’t be a mistake to draft a good QB, again "within reason”.    

28 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

DeVonta Smith is pretty damn good, y'know. Is it in the Eagles Fans Handbook that we have to complain about EVERY pick, even the good ones?

Smith was a good pick. But over the years we need to see if Parsons turns out to be a better difference maker overall. 

29 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Smith was a good pick. But over the years we need to see if Parsons turns out to be a better difference maker overall. 

This is also another case of Howie fixing his own mistakes. He screwed up how many WR picks? Took until they sucked ass from all those terrible picks just to be in position to draft a top WR. 

Wide receiver should not have even been needed last draft 

3 hours ago, vaff said:

Howie’ she most recent draft appears to be pretty good. Why are people still harping on 2019?

Welcome to Philly.... BTW it was McNabb's fault...

Howie had a good draft last year.

And, it was T.O.'s fault.

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

Because 2017, 2019 and 2020 were all bad. 2021 was decent, but it takes 2-3 years to judge a draft. 

He is known nationally as being bad at drafting. 

As for 2017: I think the Sidney Jones pick was worth the gamble. He was a great player in college, that would have been a top 15 pick if not for tearing his Achilles. I’ll take that gamble in the second round. Douglas has been pretty decent since leaving. I honestly think Jim Schwartz and the secondary coaches are partially to blame for those guys failing here. Barnett is 🤦‍♂️. But he did play a crucial role in one of the biggest plays in franchise history. I liked Mack Hollis as a role player. The rest were pretty bad.

2020: First pick was an obvious miss. Second pick was at worst a low tier starting QB. That’s pretty decent for the second round. And he may still exceed that. Taylor is a player that was never expected to contribute much right away. And actually did start to play pretty well before getting hurt last year. He’s still TBD. Jack Driscoll is decent. Shaun Bradley is a 6th rounder that has contributed. And Quez Watkins is a 6th rounder that actually seems to be a pretty decent receiver. That draft wasn’t that bad. There’s just one glaring miss.

Meanwhile, 2018 we only had a 2nd rounder, two fourth rounders, a sixth rounder, and a seventh rounder. Yet we ended up with 4 players who are starters on this team.

He’s clearly been up and down. Not the disaster people make him out to be.

1 hour ago, The Blackfish said:

When did I pee on Smith?   I didn’t because he’s a good draft pick.  The BPA "within reason” was about Hurts, and not drafting a player at a position you don’t need, at all. 
 They needed a WR, and drafted a good one in Smith, but would drafting a generational talent on defense been a mistake?  Nope!   It also wouldn’t be a mistake to draft a good QB, again "within reason”.    

I would suggest that you "peed on Smith” when you cited Fields and Parsons. They were players in last years draft that the Eagles bypassed in picking Smith.  If you were referencing Hurts, you wouldn’t have been mentioning players who weren’t even in the same draft as him.

 

4 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

This is also another case of Howie fixing his own mistakes. He screwed up how many WR picks? Took until they sucked ass from all those terrible picks just to be in position to draft a top WR. 

Wide receiver should not have even been needed last draft 

He might have to draft another one this season too. 

13 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Everyone thought the Miami pick would be a Top 5 pick and look what happened there.

Eagles thought Barnett, Reagor and Watkins was worth drafting in the first.  

What’s your point?  That there aren’t any sure things with the NFL draft?  Ok.  Point taken.

I thought the Miami trade was a good gamble, so it didn’t turn out the way we thought.  Kinda like drafting a guy in the first….and not turning out the way you thought.

32 minutes ago, Vee said:

I thought the Miami trade was a good gamble, so it didn’t turn out the way we thought.  Kinda like drafting a guy in the first….and not turning out the way you thought.

I think the trade with Miami actually did turn out the way we initially thought. They were coming off a ten win season. I think the Eagles expected the pick to be somewhere in the middle of the first round. Obviously they hoped for better, and for awhile there it was exciting thinking it could actually work out that way. But going in, I don't think they thought the Dolphins would be a terrible team. And it turned out they were middle-of-the-road. Trading the sixth overall pick for a twelve and fifteen is still a "win".

I think that there is more of a realistic hope this year of a top ten pick with the Saints than there was with the Dolphins last year.

On 4/5/2022 at 11:26 AM, D-Shiznit said:

I'd be interested in seeing a similar chart, but going up through the Browns 2016 trade and include what the browns got, and what their picks turned into. 

17 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Everyone thought the Miami pick would be a Top 5 pick and look what happened there.

That is definitely wrong. Miami was coming off a good season (10-6). As someone with several Fin fans, they were expecting to make the playoffs last year.

Most people were expecting the pick to be in the middle to late range. Then the Fins struggle early and gave everyone hope that the pick would be higher before eventually improving and ending the season winning 8 of the last 9 games.

If Stingley or Sauce fall to 6, I see the Eagles making the call. Panthers are motivated to trade out of that spot as they dont have much draft capital this year

9 minutes ago, philafan4o8 said:

If Stingley or Sauce fall to 6, I see the Eagles making the call. Panthers are motivated to trade out of that spot as they dont have much draft capital this year

You really think Stingley will be taken in top 10? 

15 hours ago, Portyansky said:

Welcome to Philly.... BTW it was McNabb's fault...

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10 minutes ago, Portyansky said:

You really think Stingley will be taken in top 10? 

I know he will be taken in the top 10 and never wavered on that

1 hour ago, philafan4o8 said:

If Stingley or Sauce fall to 6, I see the Eagles making the call. Panthers are motivated to trade out of that spot as they dont have much draft capital this year

I think it is highly unlikely they would create the package that would be needed to trade up that far (likely 2 1st rd picks and possibly more) for any position other than QB.  I think the more likely scenario is we use one of our 3rds to move up to 11-12 for an edge rusher, DT, or CB they really like.

Just now, time2rock said:

I think it is highly unlikely they would create the package that would be needed to trade up that far (likely 2 1st rd picks and possibly more) for any position other than QB.  I think the more likely scenario is we use one of our 3rds to move up to 11-12 for an edge rusher, DT, or CB they really like.

I think 15, 51 and 83 would put them in the conversation. Then I would assume trading down from 18 would recoup some of those day 2 picks. Yes, highly unlikely but they have flexibility. I am sure it is more of a dream scenario. #15 and 51 would get them somewhere in the 8-10 range I would assume