2 minutes ago, BayAreaLennie said:

I am not as certain as many of you seem to be that the Saints will not be good next year.  They went 9-8 this year with their starting QB essentially out for the entire season, outscoring opponents by 364-335.  And they have 2 first round draft picks to build with, in a draft thought to be pretty deep through those picks.

Could they suck?  Sure.  But 11-6 would not surprise me a bit either.

They also were coached by Sean Payton and did not have the difficult schedule that they will have to play with in 2022

1 minute ago, BayAreaLennie said:

I am not as certain as many of you seem to be that the Saints will not be good next year.  They went 9-8 this year with their starting QB essentially out for the entire season, outscoring opponents by 364-335.  And they have 2 first round draft picks to build with, in a draft thought to be pretty deep through those picks.

Could they suck?  Sure.  But 11-6 would not surprise me a bit either.

I kind of agree, but the Saints did lose a lot of talent, are relying on a bone head at quarterback, and they have a new head coach. They could go either way. 

42 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Nobody should dislike this trade, even if you don't like the rationale behind it. The fact of the matter is it was a MASSIVE overpay by the Saints. On that alone this is a very good trade for the Eagles. Beyond that, they were never keeping three first round picks for cap purposes, and it gives them all kinds of options down the road if they want to go in a different direction than Hurts. 

Value wise though, forget 18 and 19. They turned 16 into a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 7th. Way too good to pass up.

I agree with you, but I will state it feels a little bit annoying that the most we have to root for so far this off-season is hoping Howie makes the right picks. 

4 minutes ago, BayAreaLennie said:

I am not as certain as many of you seem to be that the Saints will not be good next year.  They went 9-8 this year with their starting QB essentially out for the entire season, outscoring opponents by 364-335.  And they have 2 first round draft picks to build with, in a draft thought to be pretty deep through those picks.

Could they suck?  Sure.  But 11-6 would not surprise me a bit either.

they also didn’t have Thomas all of last year… they have to play the games that’s for sure i wouldn’t say they flat out suck but i think we did well in the trade.

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

I agree with you, but I will state it feels a little bit annoying that the most we have to root for so far this off-season is hoping Howie makes the right picks. 

he could still trade some of these picks for metcalf or AJ Brown

Just now, Cheesteakitis said:

he could still trade some of these picks for metcalf or AJ Brown

I hope so, but I don’t see the Eagles doing it. They don’t like to make trades where it looks like they didn’t win the deal and giving up multiple picks for a player looks like that in their eyes. 

Like it. Love it. Always thought they’d trade one of the 1st for a first next year. Overall package is solid

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I kind of agree, but the Saints did lose a lot of talent, are relying on a bone head at quarterback, and they have a new head coach. They could go either way. 

Fair points.  Losing Armstead and Williams hurts talent wise, and the way Payton left felt like a captain leaving a sinking ship.  Plus they do have a tougher schedule this year.  I just have seen too much to think we can reliably count on them being bad.  I will be rooting like hell for 0-17.

6 minutes ago, Cheesteakitis said:

they also didn’t have Thomas all of last year… they have to play the games that’s for sure i wouldn’t say they flat out suck but i think we did well in the trade.

Alvin Kamara was also caught on camera seriously beating a man… then he lied about it.

Ive decided I dont like this trade based solely on the fact that it virtually guarantees another wasted season.

Again we have to wink at each other while telling non-Eagles fans we're just analyzing Hurts to see if can progress beyond his "basically rookie" season, as if any rational fan doesnt already know hes a career backup.

I refuse to budge on this , I dont think I can pretend again for a whole year.  Someone will find out

1 minute ago, BayAreaLennie said:

Fair points.  Losing Armstead and Williams hurts talent wise, and the way Payton left felt like a captain leaving a sinking ship.  Plus they do have a tougher schedule this year.  I just have seen too much to think we can reliably count on them being bad.  I will be rooting like hell for 0-17.

The Eagles took a chance that the Colts and Dolphins wouldn’t be good and both were double digit win teams. All in all I don’t think it matters much, because two firsts in the 2023 draft probably still let’s them do whatever they want so if they need to get too the upper end of the draft they should be able to get it done. 

9 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I agree with you, but I will state it feels a little bit annoying that the most we have to root for so far this off-season is hoping Howie makes the right picks. 

They are playing the long game. They still don't know if they have their QB and until that is figured out they can't be in win now mode. I get the frustration though. As for the draft picks, it's still a concern but after appearing to nail the first three picks last year there is some reason for optimism.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Ive decided I dont like this trade based solely on the fact that it virtually guarantees another wasted season.

Again we have to wink at each other while telling non-Eagles fans we're just analyzing Hurts to see if can progress beyond his "basically rookie" season, as if any rational fan doesnt already know hes a career backup.

I refuse to budge on this , I dont think I can pretend again for a whole year.  Someone will find out

What did you think was happening this season? The Eagles already told you they were retooling and they need more talent. You were expecting a Super Bowl? They have been an 7-10 win team basically since 2015. 

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Ive decided I dont like this trade based solely on the fact that it virtually guarantees another wasted season.

Again we have to wink at each other while telling non-Eagles fans we're just analyzing Hurts to see if can progress beyond his "basically rookie" season, as if any rational fan doesnt already know hes a career backup.

I refuse to budge on this , I dont think I can pretend again for a whole year.  Someone will find out

There is no QB in this draft. They couldn’t get Wilson or the massage enthusiast. There was no other option.

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

What did you think was happening this season? The Eagles already told you they were retooling and they need more talent. You were expecting a Super Bowl? They have been an 7-10 win team basically since 2015. 

Im half joking, half depressed

I understand the trade from a purely logical perspective. I just dont like QB purgatory, and all we did here was extend our lease in purgatory for another year  

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

They are playing the long game. They still don't know if they have their QB and until that is figured out they can't be in win now mode. I get the frustration though. As for the draft picks, it's still a concern but after appearing to nail the first three picks last year there is some reason for optimism.

As far as the plan goes I believe it’s sound. Most of us expected them to push at least one of these picks to 2023 anyway. Less money against the cap this year too. Howie’s business side of the game is pretty darn good. His draft evaluation side can be hit or miss, and he’s had trouble picking upper echelon level talent.

Only way we get one of the top 2 perceived QBs is the Saints need to be the worse of 2nd worse team in football next year. Houston, Lions, Seattle all are worse than the Saints in my opinion they need a QB and all have 2 first rounders next year. 

If the 1st next year is in the top 12 then this is pretty good. If in the top 5 it's absolutely fantastic. If by some miracle it ends up in the mid 20's or higher next year then it was a terrible deal, The 3rd round pick they got this year is practically in the 4th round as it a the end of the 3rd. The 2nd in 2024 is so far off that it's hard to process. Probably good for packaging in a move up in next years draft. It seems howie is really betting the Saints will suck next year. 

 

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Im half joking, half depressed

I understand the trade from a purely logical perspective. I just dont like QB purgatory, and all we did here was extend our lease in purgatory for another year  

I hate to break it to you bud, but truthfully the Eagles have been in QB purgatory since McNabb left. It’s really hard to get that guy the team is always near 7-10 wins a season. Good news is that now they have pushed a pick into 2023 so if Hurts completely flounders the team has the assets to move up to get them a guy or to even trade for a veteran guy. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

As far as the plan goes I believe it’s sound. Most of us expected them to push at least one of these picks to 2023 anyway. Less money against the cap this year too. Howie’s business side of the game is pretty darn good. His draft evaluation side can be hit or miss, and he’s had trouble picking upper echelon level talent.

I agree with all of this. I think with the small minority of people upset over this, they probably thought they were actually going to keep all three first round picks. From my perspective that was never happening and for cap purposes it probably didn't make sense. It also made more sense to spread some of the draft capital first round wise to next season in case Hurts doesn't prove to be the answer in 2022.

Not bad, not bad at all! Expect saints to be .500 at best and that 1st to be in a decent position next draft.

Depending on how the QB's shake out, I could see us even trading 15....  Pittsburgh might want to get ahead of NO.  

1 minute ago, iladelphxx said:

Depending on how the QB's shake out, I could see us even trading 15....  Pittsburgh might want to get ahead of NO.  

At the end of the day it's better to kick the can down the road before Howie blows the pick.

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I agree with all of this. I think with the small minority of people upset over this, they probably thought they were actually going to keep all three first round picks. From my perspective that was never happening and for cap purposes it probably didn't make sense. It also made more sense to spread some of the draft capital first round wise to next season in case Hurts doesn't prove to be the answer in 2022.

Many people say this current draft doesn’t really have outstanding talent as a whole and that many of the 1st round level guys aren’t much better than the 2nd and 3rd round talent as a whole. I don’t know about all that, but nothing seems wrong with dispersing the draft capital over a couple of years IMO. Howie did the right thing here, but now we have to hope that he makes good on these picks. With that being the case I’m not certain he’s done making moves in the 2022 draft. 

Just now, Diehardfan said:

At the end of the day it's better to kick the can down the road before Howie blows the pick.

The one time we like Howie kicking the can down the road. 😂

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

Many people say this current draft doesn’t really have outstanding talent as a whole and that many of the 1st round level guys aren’t much better than the 2nd and 3rd round talent as a whole. I don’t know about all that, but nothing seems wrong with dispersing the draft capital over a couple of years IMO. Howie did the right thing here, but now we have to hope that he makes good on these picks. With that being the case I’m not certain he’s done making moves in the 2022 draft. 

I expect he'll move up for a player from 15 with a 3 or 2 and then maybe move back from 18