26 minutes ago, time2rock said:

 

Would you trade the 18th pick in this year's draft for a 2023 1st and a 2024 2nd?  I sure as hell would.  I’ll be surprised if NO is a 0.500 team or better:  new HC replacing one that was a brilliant offensive kind and a new QB (likely) that is probably going to sit behind Winston (streaky QB) for a year.  Knock on wood but that 1st in 2023 should be a fairly decent one.  

When you don't know where the #1 pick will be next year you can't really tell if this is a great deal. If the Saints go on a run and we end up with a 25th pick or later the trade is not that great. There are so many unknowns it's hard to know if this was good or not. It will be a lot easier to tell a year from now. At least then you know what pick you got and what player you could have picked if you had stayed put.

Are the Saint's going to pick a QB or load up on some playmakers and go all in on Winston? Some on the Saints board are speculating Sean Payton may change his mind and return. Lots of unknowns.

 

35 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

I understand the issue with not wanting to draft 3 first rounders from a cap space issue.

But, this team needs around 5 first rounders this year to fix all the broken parts.

The NFL Draft Chart tells me that the Eagles could still package our 2 first rounders plus something to get up to #3 or #4 overall in the first round.

Do I think they'll do that? Not likely. My bet is on 2 BPA in the first. Defense please.

Howie may not be done dealing. He could trade up. He could trade back.

There's still deals to be done and plenty of time before the draft.

24 days until the draft.

And pay them how?

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

How many chances does it get? Infinite?

Do we have a choice?  

31 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I’ve been saying all along, this team is more than a single offseason away from building a competitive roster.  Makes even more sense to have made this deal.  

That's true, which is why they are not trying to fix it in a single offseason.

Just now, Boogyman said:

That's true, which is why they are not trying to fix it in a single offseason.

It’s a smart strategy and one I am behind 100%.

10 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Do we have a choice?  

Sadly no. Howie has blackmail of Lurie doing something on the federal level

38 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Neither The dolphins nor the Colts were double digit win teams last year…

The year when they made the trade both teams were coining off double digit wins. The point is the Eagles took a gamble when they made those trades and it paid off for them.

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

19 and 18 are a wash with us having a slight advantage so there is ''no other first.''

I didn't see the 6th but that is also a relative wash with them getting a slight advantage giving up a 7th.

So we turned a mid first round pick into a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. This isn't rocket science in terms of how bad we fleeced them but some people like to overthink things and/or be negative for the sake of being negative.

I agree - plus we have Saints picks, we are partially hedged against the Eagles continuing to improve but having high future draft picks later in the rounds. I suspect we will do better than the Saints the next couple years. In addition, we can’t have too many picks in one year as four years later you have to sign those picks to high contracts. For example, if we have to sign Hurts next year to a market contract, we’ll still have bunch of cheap high draft picks coming onto the roster to compensate. 

This was probably the obvious move with Howie having job security, he can afford to wait.  Should have seen it coming

Beware the slippery slope, though.  If this becomes The Process I swear to god...

2 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Nobody should dislike this trade, even if you don't like the rationale behind it. The fact of the matter is it was a MASSIVE overpay by the Saints. On that alone this is a very good trade for the Eagles. Beyond that, they were never keeping three first round picks for cap purposes, and it gives them all kinds of options down the road if they want to go in a different direction than Hurts. 

Value wise though, forget 18 and 19. They turned 16 into a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 7th. Way too good to pass up.

A 2nd this year is basically worth a 1st next year. They gave up a 1st this year for basically the same pick plus a 3rd and future 2nd. I don’t see the value. I think they should’ve received at least 2 future 1’s for this year’s 1st. 

2 hours ago, SB52 said:

Does this mean the Saints probably have a handshake deal in place for Willis? Is that what started the "Willis to Detroit” rumors?

Hopefully. Go grab Willis at 2 and go 5-12 or 4-13 on the season and give us a top 10 pick next year!

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

I’ve been saying all along, this team is more than a single offseason away from building a competitive roster.  Makes even more sense to have made this deal.  

Secretly I was hoping Howie got two firsts for each pick, like he did Miami last year, but getting a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for one ain’t bad either.

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Hopefully. Go grab Willis at 2 and go 5-12 or 4-13 on the season and give us a top 10 pick next year!

That would make howie look like a genius

23 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Rapoport is a smart man.

I think the Saints think they are going to be too good to get a QB next year so they are using the rationale that they'll get a guy they like this year. I get the logic but I wouldn't do that at the expense of a first next year tho.

Btw, I think this in line with my thinking that our pick 16 is important for a team to get one of the top QBs in this draft and someone was willing to pay up modestly for it. 

I like the trade. We basically get a second and third to kick our first pick down the road one year. Next year im sure we will have a few more veteran players that will be either hanging it up or released and this will allow us to "go all in" over the next two years. We also get to find out if Hurts is the guy and if not we have more ammo to go get a QB.

8 minutes ago, ibleedgreen1990 said:

That would make howie look like a genius

Howie as far as making trades go is one of the best in the league. He doesn’t lose the trade or overpay for anything. 

9 minutes ago, ibleedgreen1990 said:

That would make howie look like a genius

He’s excellent at trading…now he just needs to follow the KISS method for the draft. Keep it simple, stupid. 

30 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

That's true, which is why they are not trying to fix it in a single offseason.

Another benefit is the rookie salary cap. We saved in excess of 2 million dollars with this trade as well. 

Howie, don't make me like you.

1 minute ago, Talonblood said:

Howie, don't make me like you.

Well he was the GM that won a SB so there is that.

41 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

And pay them how?

Not to mention all those picks would all be up for contracts at the same time too. 

10 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Well he was the GM that won a SB so there is that.

Yeah, that's one little item I tuck away when I want to be hatin' Howie. Small item. 😆

Uh oh, that 2023 pick from NO may not be as high as originally suspected … they seem to be "all in”.  
 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/04/04/saints-sign-taco-charlton/

 

Jimmy Johnson draft pick value chart:

Saints got 1889 points

Eagles got 2418 points