July 18, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Kz! said: Oh look, another liberal DA being unspeakably evil. What a surprise. I know the people trying to recall this disaster. The main person, Carl Chan, is a lifelong Democrat and civic leader in Oakland's Chinatown. Price is worse than Boudin.
July 18, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, Kz! said: Oh look, another liberal DA being unspeakably evil. What a surprise. She's (he?) a piece of human garbage. People keep electing people with these radical agendas then getting mad at the results...Boudin, Gascon, Krasner, etc. They want to treat other pieces of human garbage like victims.
July 27, 20232 yr Author Crazed mob attacks a patrol vehicle. According to the rules of engagement established on J6, the cop would have been well within his rights to open fire on the mob.
July 27, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: Crazed mob attacks a patrol vehicle. According to the rules of engagement established on J6, the cop would have been well within his rights to open fire on the mob. Is that everyone or just the scary unarmed females?
July 27, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, PoconoDon said: Is that everyone or just the scary unarmed females? Mr. Law and Order over here defending a domestic terrorist. Hate to see it.
July 27, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Mr. Law and Order over here defending a domestic terrorist. Hate to see it. No, she should've been arrested like any other criminal. I'm just wondering if it now means that deadly force should be directed as the least threatening person first. After all the DOJ decided that it was fine then. I'll defer to their judgment.
July 27, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, PoconoDon said: No, she should've been arrested like any other criminal. I'm just wondering if it now means that deadly force should be directed as the least threatening person first. After all the DOJ decided that it was fine then. I'll defer to their judgment. She was breaking into a room holding officials during a terrorist attack. What the F are you talking about?
July 27, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, PoconoDon said: No, she should've been arrested like any other criminal. I'm just wondering if it now means that deadly force should be directed as the least threatening person first. After all the DOJ decided that it was fine then. I'll defer to their judgment. These are the words of someone who has stated he was a police officer
July 27, 20232 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: She was breaking into a room holding officials during a terrorist attack. What the F are you talking about? She was 5'2" ,115 lbs., unarmed, and had to be hoisted up to slowly climb through a hole from an upper broken glass pane in an attempt to eventually get to the chamber from which everyone was leaving or had already left. I get it that there was panic, which is kind of my point with the sarcastic question. Push her back through the hole? Knock her the F out when she's half way through? Shoot her? Given the circumstances, I understand the officer's choice. I also understand the DOJ's decision to not prosecute the officer, and I accept it.
July 27, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, PoconoDon said: She was 5'2" ,115 lbs., unarmed, and had to be hoisted up to slowly climb through a hole from an upper broken glass pane in an attempt to eventually get to the chamber from which everyone was leaving or had already left. I get it that there was panic, which is kind of my point with the sarcastic question. Push her back through the hole? Knock her the F out when she's half way through? Shoot her? Given the circumstances, I understand the officer's choice. I also understand the DOJ's decision to not prosecute the officer, and I accept it. Dude, you still have time to pass the whole thing off as a joke. If you actually were a real cop, hearing this type of stuff come from you is utterly terrifying. I feel real bad for whichever community you were supposedly in charge of protecting.
July 27, 20232 yr 26 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: These are the words of someone who has stated he was a police officer Clearly you have never been one. You seem unfamiliar with the process of examining whether or not a homicide is justifiable. Oversimplification: One step is considering if any lesser degree of force would've been reasonable in the moment and if the answer is yes, that officer is immediately in hot water. The only way out is if an examination of the totality of the circumstances pulls him out. In this case the DOJ concluded that it did. As I previously posted, I'm fine with the decision.
July 27, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, PoconoDon said: Clearly you have never been one. You seem unfamiliar with the process of examining whether or not a homicide is justifiable. Oversimplification: One step is considering if any lesser degree of force would've been reasonable in the moment and if the answer is yes, that officer is immediately in hot water. The only way out is if an examination of the totality of the circumstances pulls him out. In this case the DOJ concluded that it did. As I previously posted, I'm fine with the decision. Don't need to be one to know your claim that the shooting was unjustified and instead she should've been arrested is utterly and irredeemably asinine. Normally someone with such a laughably moronic hot take would immediately feel ashamed that their emotions got the better of them, but apparently you're perfectly content to double down with more of this nonsense.
July 27, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Dude, you still have time to pass the whole thing off as a joke. If you actually were a real cop, hearing this type of stuff come from you is utterly terrifying. I feel real bad for whichever community you were supposedly in charge of protecting. Wow, you are easily terrified. Maybe that's your problem. As for my career, I'll leave my effectiveness for those who were there to decide. I'll offer you this though. I know that none of my cases, nor any major case investigation that I ran ever resulted in a cold case or a verdict of not guilty. I've never heard a jury utter those words in the two plus decades of my career. I'd say the communities I worked in were well served. I'd also offer that the times when I personally would've been justified in using deadly force, I was fortunate enough to be able to manipulate the circumstances to buy more time and allow that person to choose life. You know what? Every one of them did and looking back, I'm happy about that. I understand that circumstances don't always allow that and I was fortunate that mine did. There's a tremendous amount of scrutiny in cases involving the use of deadly force and not all of it is from without. In the end, officers are presumed to have a conscience and they must live with their decisions. I hope they all choose wisely. I believe most do.
July 27, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, PoconoDon said: Ok. Opinions vary. Your is noted. "Opinions vary" says the guy who claims Ashlee Babbitt should've been arrested by the 3 crops barricading the door trying to keep hundreds of violent and deranged trumpbots from entering the chambers.
July 27, 20232 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: "Opinions vary" says the guy who claims Ashlee Babbitt should've been arrested by the 3 crops barricading the door trying to keep hundreds of trumpbots from entering the chambers. I get it. Panic is real and it has an effect on decision making. The shooting was ruled to be justified by the DOJ. I never said it was unjustified. In fact, I posted that I accept the decision. I posited a sarcastic question of is it open season now for police to shoot anyone or is it limited to scary unarmed females? That seems to have touched a nerve. At the end of the day what was done was ruled acceptable. Also the gaggle of criminals running around the Capital that day are being punished for their crimes. None have been sentenced to death though. Just food for thought.
July 27, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, PoconoDon said: I get it. Panic is real and it has an effect on decision making. The shooting was ruled to be justified by the DOJ. I never said it was unjustified. In fact, I posted that I accept the decision. I posited a sarcastic question of is it open season now for police to shoot anyone or is it limited to scary unarmed females? That seems to have touched a nerve. At the end of the day what was done was ruled acceptable. Also the gaggle of criminals running around the Capital that day are being punished for their crimes. None have been sentenced to death though. Just food for thought. "scary unarmed female that was sentenced to death" Keep trying to reframe a domestic terrorist as a martyr. That'll surely help get a republican back into the white house!
July 27, 20232 yr Hell yeah - I hope the cops shoot all the domestic terrorists. I'm confident there will be thousands fewer libs in a short time, which means tens of thousands fewer votes for a Democrat in the next election. LET'S GO!!!!
July 27, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: "scary unarmed female" Keep trying to reframe a domestic terrorist as a martyr. That'll surely help get a republican back into the white house! Definitely touched a political nerve. Be clear about what I communicated. Not a martyr, a criminal deserving of punishment, but whose crimes would not have sentenced her to death. Since it was ruled as justified, I suppose it could be chalked it up to play stupid games win stupid prizes. She certainly won the stupidest prize one can win, death.
July 27, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, mikemack8 said: Hell yeah - I hope the cops shoot all the domestic terrorists. I'm confident there will be thousands fewer libs in a short time, which means tens of thousands fewer votes for a Democrat in the next election. LET'S GO!!!! you're getting lazy.
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