April 30, 20223 yr 41 minutes ago, The_Omega said: This is all about the midterms. This is the mechanism to take the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop to the next level. This will give the media and big tech companies the cover they need to declare any story unflattering to the Democrats as ‘’misinformation’’ and suppress it too. It’s one of the reasons the left is apoplectic about Musks potential purchase of Twitter. Not being able to control Twitter would make this scheme far less effective. Bring on the and tinfoil hat pics. They won’t make it any less obvious. If this is about the midterms it will backfire spectacularly on Dems. Nobody was going to be swayed from voting for Biden against Trump because of Hunter Biden. Republicans probably got more mileage out of that story BECAUSE of the way Twitter handled it. Creating this board will just give fuel to the right while the left won't give a crap. You're not going to get more votes because Jankowicz is handling misinformation and if that's the calculus the Dems are working with they're stupider than I even thought. And I think they're pretty stupid, politically at least. It's not a role the government should have, and I would oppose it regardless of what party is in power.
April 30, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, NOTW said: Ok, so...why the DHS? What actions would be taken? The WH already has a communications department, why not just communicate the "correct" information through that? DHS makes it seem the door will be open to take action against those posting mis/disinformation. Exactly. Our government was created specifically to be limited in this area. There is literally no authority given to the government to do anything about someone saying pretty much anything. The FCC has coopted some of that under whatever regulatory authority they've managed to argue for themselves in the courts, but that doesn't extend to the public square - which Twitter etc are a part of. Twitter is a cesspool. But it's the people's cesspool.
April 30, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: If this is about the midterms it will backfire spectacularly on Dems. Nobody was going to be swayed from voting for Biden against Trump because of Hunter Biden. Republicans probably got more mileage out of that story BECAUSE of the way Twitter handled it. Creating this board will just give fuel to the right while the left won't give a crap. You're not going to get more votes because Jankowicz is handling misinformation and if that's the calculus the Dems are working with they're stupider than I even thought. And I think they're pretty stupid, politically at least. It's not a role the government should have, and I would oppose it regardless of what party is in power. 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Exactly. Our government was created specifically to be limited in this area. There is literally no authority given to the government to do anything about someone saying pretty much anything. The FCC has coopted some of that under whatever regulatory authority they've managed to argue for themselves in the courts, but that doesn't extend to the public square - which Twitter etc are a part of. Twitter is a cesspool. But it's the people's cesspool. You're just a far-right extremist.
April 30, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, NOTW said: You're just a far-right extremist. I'm also a left-wing radical so ....
April 30, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: If this is about the midterms it will backfire spectacularly on Dems. Nobody was going to be swayed from voting for Biden against Trump because of Hunter Biden. Republicans probably got more mileage out of that story BECAUSE of the way Twitter handled it. Creating this board will just give fuel to the right while the left won't give a crap. You're not going to get more votes because Jankowicz is handling misinformation and if that's the calculus the Dems are working with they're stupider than I even thought. And I think they're pretty stupid, politically at least. It's not a role the government should have, and I would oppose it regardless of what party is in power. Bull ish. If it didn’t matter they wouldn’t have done it.
April 30, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Bull ish. If it didn’t matter they wouldn’t have done it. Have you ever followed the Democratic party? They are the masters of shooting themselves in the foot by being idiots.
April 30, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Bull ish. If it didn’t matter they wouldn’t have done it. You're arguing that this is a winning move politically by Biden. I disagree. I think it puts off moderates at a time when those are the voters you need to be most in play with.
April 30, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Have you ever followed the Democratic party? They are the masters of shooting themselves in the foot by being idiots. They’re also shameless (obviously that’s not exclusive to them), and don’t care if they got caught, they only care if it worked. It worked. Now they’re expanding it. It’s really a pretty brilliantly conceived plan. The government doesn’t actually have to derive any new powers because their allies in the media and tech companies are all too ready to do their part.
April 30, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: You're arguing that this is a winning move politically by Biden. I disagree. I think it puts off moderates at a time when those are the voters you need to be most in play with. 2022 isn’t about Biden, it’s about everyone else that’s actually running.
April 30, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, The_Omega said: 2022 isn’t about Biden, it’s about everyone else that’s actually running. Yes I understand that. And I still think it hurts the Dems in 2022. Specifically moderate Dems.
April 30, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Yes I understand that. And I still think it hurts the Dems in 2022. Specifically moderate Dems. No chance it hurts if it comes to pass. Everything that hurt Dems in recent elections, CRT, defund the police, etc… will be labeled disinformation and the media and tech companies will suppress it. Republican candidates will be hard pressed to get attack ads on the air. It may be too late to work in many races, but if it works in some it’s worth it.
April 30, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, The_Omega said: No chance it hurts if it comes to pass. Everything that hurt Dems in recent elections, CRT, defund the police, etc… will be labeled disinformation and the media and tech companies will suppress it. Republican candidates will be hard pressed to get attack ads on the air. It may be too late to work in many races, but if it works in some it’s worth it. You sound as hysterical as the leftists in Twitter crying over Elon. The board will be toothless and only serve as raw meat for the right wing news sausage factory.
April 30, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: The board will be toothless and only serve as raw meat for the right wing news sausage factory. Thanks for restating my earlier point. They don’t have to have any power, they only need to give guidance and cover. The media and tech companies will take it from there.
April 30, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, vikas83 said: Have you ever followed the Democratic party? They are the masters of shooting themselves in the foot by being idiots. that’s quality posting right there
April 30, 20223 yr Here's the thing.... Big Tech and Corporate Media are already "fighting the war against disinformation™" with "fact checks" and shadow banning, so this isn't about getting the "correct message" out there.... The fact that this is going to be part of the Department of Homeland Security and not part of the FCC or part of the White House Communications Team tells you all you need to know. People are being thrown in jail over Tweets and Facebook posts in the UK and EU.... We already have the FBI monitoring "extremists" who dare to oppose local school boards. Anyone who doesn't see where this is going is delusional.
April 30, 20223 yr I think the FBI is monitoring people who threatened school board members. Key detail to leave out.
April 30, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: I think the FBI is monitoring people who threatened school board members. Key detail to leave out. Right..... The threat of violence, which hasn't happened, at all, totally justifies the mass surveillance of ordinary citizens. https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/wh-aided-school-board-groups-letter-before-garland-sicced-fbi-on-parents/?sp_amp_linker=1*1w9dq24*amp_id*VV9LaEdFRFFuWGdKVFgyUFlXc2VrSTRNU1FBUE5FT0dxeFZQU2ZGdHF5dGZGeUdvNjRHR0hFdEVSWVloVWw2VA.. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fbi-whistleblower-claims-doj-used-counterterrorism-tools-against-parents-in-response-to-school-board-memo/ Even if there were threats of violence.... Why the F is the FBI Counterterrorism Unit involved? The head of the National School Board Association penned a letter to the White House demanding that the White House declare parents who protest mask mandates as Domestic Terrorists https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/01/13/school-board-association-domestic-terrorism/ https://www.wsj.com/articles/about-those-domestic-terrorists-national-school-boards-association-merrick-garland-memo-fbi-11635285900 "National School Boards Association has apologized for sending a letter to President Biden suggesting that "threats and acts of violence” at school board meetings might be "domestic terrorism.” The NSBA now admits there was "no justification for some of the language included in the letter,” which could have parents investigated under the Patriot Act for trying to influence what their children are taught. "
April 30, 20223 yr Author 3 hours ago, Dave Moss said: I think the FBI is monitoring people who threatened school board members. Key detail to leave out. That is entirely outside the purview of the FBI. Local disputes between parents and board members are within the purview of state and local police - not the FBI. I don't see the FBI doing squat about the crime explosion in Philly and other big cities. What's a bigger threat - a parent that doesn't want their kid indoctrinated or actual violent crime. Why don't you give us examples of the epidemic of crimes committed against school board members by disgruntled parents.
April 30, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, Procus said: That is entirely outside the purview of the FBI. Local disputes between parents and board members are within the purview of state and local police - not the FBI. I don't see the FBI doing squat about the crime explosion in Philly and other big cities. What's a bigger threat - a parent that doesn't want their kid indoctrinated or actual violent crime. Why don't you give us examples of the epidemic of crimes committed against school board members by disgruntled parents. Just google "school board online threats” my guy There’s tons of information out there if you know how to look for it
April 30, 20223 yr Author 27 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Just google "school board online threats” my guy Just google "carjackings in Philly" - these are ACTUAL violent crimes, not just threats. 757 in Philly in 2021. Through Feb. 23, there were already 203 carjackings in 2022 in Philly, so it's getting worse. As of March 30, 121 homicides in Philly. WHYY reports that the Philly police can't keep up with them. I doubt you'll be able to point to a single incident where a school board member was an actual victim of serious violence.
April 30, 20223 yr Procus: Why doesn't law enforcement try to prevent more violent crime from happening? Also Procus: Why the hell is law enforcement responding to violent threats against teachers and school board members?
May 1, 20223 yr 5 hours ago, Dave Moss said: I think the FBI is monitoring people who threatened school board members. Key detail to leave out. That's a completely different situation.
May 1, 20223 yr 8 hours ago, The_Omega said: Thanks for restating my earlier point. They don’t have to have any power, they only need to give guidance and cover. The media and tech companies will take it from there. Tech companies don't need the government to moderate their content. This post makes no sense.
May 1, 20223 yr 22 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Tech companies don't need the government to moderate their content. This post makes no sense. I never said they did. What doesn’t make sense is why you’d pretend that i said something I didn’t. The government claim of disinformation just gives them an excuse.
May 1, 20223 yr Author 3 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Procus: Why doesn't law enforcement try to prevent more violent crime from happening? Also Procus: Why the hell is law enforcement responding to violent threats against teachers and school board members? Great way to mischaracterize what I said. Now, instead of distorting the truth as you leftists like to do, let's see what I really alluded to: 1. There is much violent crime going on in Philly that the authorities are not focused on preventing. 2. There is not any violent crime of any note taking place against school boards - but that the feds are focused on that anyway.
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