How about just making it harder to buy a gun?  Certainly, multiple ones in a short period of time.  Seems you hear of this often after mass shootings. We're always finding out about how they recently purchased weapons legally.  How about also attaching some sort of liability insurance requirement at the time of purchase.  Make it a high dollar amount for the 1st 6 months or a year.  Premium gets lower over time if the gun is not tracked to a crime.  I don't know.  Maybe start by needing a license and a training course passed.

8 minutes ago, DiPros said:

How about just making it harder to buy a gun?  

That's a non-starter for a lot of people.

1 hour ago, DiPros said:

How about just making it harder to buy a gun?  Certainly, multiple ones in a short period of time.  Seems you hear of this often after mass shootings. We're always finding out about how they recently purchased weapons legally.  How about also attaching some sort of liability insurance requirement at the time of purchase.  Make it a high dollar amount for the 1st 6 months or a year.  Premium gets lower over time if the gun is not tracked to a crime.  I don't know.  Maybe start by needing a license and a training course passed.

Training course is a good idea so that all potential mass shooters can be well-versed in whatever firearm they're using. Good thinking. 

15 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

 It takes zero skill to point a semi auto weapon down range and squeeze off 30 rounds at unarmed targets. 

Yes because sights and knowing the operability of the weapon have absolutely no bearing on anything. You could take someone off the street, give them one, and they would turn into Rambo. What was I thinking?

I don’t know this because I didn’t spend the better part of last year teaching guys that were taken off the street how to shoot, so I have no basis of comparison. 

14 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Plenty of examples where reloading provides an opportunity to escape or charge the shooter. A couple seconds is all you need to save lives. It's literally happened several times in notable cases. I end up having to repost the list every time one of these comes up. If you really think I'm off base, I'll go dig it up again, but I already know it won't change your mind.

I’m aware of the list. The Giffords incident is a notable one. 
 

and no, it won’t change my mind. Because like I said at best it would be a statistical anomaly that occurs within a statistical anomaly. 

Note to retarded liberals: please stop telling these mentally ill lunatics that they're being hunted. They're stupid and deranged enough to believe it. Thank you.

15 hours ago, mr_hunt said:

most are calling for better regulation...not taking away guns. gun regulations already exist & they were backed by the heller decision. 

And yet the current regulations aren’t enforced. 
 

1 minute ago, Bill said:

And yet the current regulations aren’t enforced. 
 

they should be.

 

you're a gun guy...which ones aren't being enforced? 

3 minutes ago, Kz! said:

 

Note to retarded liberals: please stop telling these mentally ill lunatics that they're being hunted. They're stupid and deranged enough to believe it. Thank you.

Noted. I will continue to not tell trans people they're being hunted. 

24 minutes ago, Bill said:

Yes because sights and knowing the operability of the weapon have absolutely no bearing on anything. You could take someone off the street, give them one, and they would turn into Rambo. What was I thinking?

I don’t know this because I didn’t spend the better part of last year teaching guys that were taken off the street how to shoot, so I have no basis of comparison. 

Your experience is duly noted but you don’t have to be Rambo to gun down a bunch of unarmed teachers and kids. You only have to put rounds down range and that is easier to do with an AR style rifle than the varmint rifle that was posted earlier. 

46 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

they should be.

 

you're a gun guy...which ones aren't being enforced? 

To put a dent into gun crime overall? The big two are straw purchases and prohibited possessors. 
 

In terms of mass shootings, I don’t feel that additional regulation of firearms is going to put a dent in anything. People point out about how bans worked in other countries, but to be honest in terms of structures of countries the US is one of the most if not the most complex country in the world, so their solutions won’t work for us. People like to point out simple statistics, but the problem is they don’t do an analysis of other data, so they’re only getting a snapshot of a complex issue.

Then there’s the whole point of access to firearms actually being lower than it was decades ago. It wasn’t out of the ordinary for kids to bring hunting rifles to school so the shop teacher could teach them how to attach scopes properly, dads had guns that weren’t in safes, kids had their own .22 rifles, etc. So why is it that when access to firearms is lower, there’s more of an issue with masa shootings? Why did mass shootings become a thing back in the 80s when assault rifles weren’t a common thing? Why did they take off in the 90s when there was an assault weapons ban in place? 
 

To me, everyone is focused on treating the symptom, but not the cause. If we really want to solve the issue, we have to do a deep dive into what creates angry young men and what causes them to do these heinous acts. The problem is that people don’t want to delve into it because we tend to go for simple explanations for complex issues. We have politicians that are both polarized and polarizing, going for a quick and cheap political score rather than actually solving the issue  

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Note to retarded liberals: please stop telling these mentally ill lunatics that they're being hunted. They're stupid and deranged enough to believe it. Thank you.

Note to you. Don't use the word "retarded" like that.

10 minutes ago, 91defense said:

Note to you. Don't use the word "retarded" like that.

Anyone have any idea whose clone this is?  

9 minutes ago, Bill said:

To put a dent into gun crime overall? The big two are straw purchases and prohibited possessors. 
 

In terms of mass shootings, I don’t feel that additional regulation of firearms is going to put a dent in anything. People point out about how bans worked in other countries, but to be honest in terms of structures of countries the US is one of the most if not the most complex country in the world, so their solutions won’t work for us. People like to point out simple statistics, but the problem is they don’t do an analysis of other data, so they’re only getting a snapshot of a complex issue.

Then there’s the whole point of access to firearms actually being lower than it was decades ago. It wasn’t out of the ordinary for kids to bring hunting rifles to school so the shop teacher could teach them how to attach scopes properly, dads had guns that weren’t in safes, kids had their own .22 rifles, etc. So why is it that when access to firearms is lower, there’s more of an issue with masa shootings? Why did mass shootings become a thing back in the 80s when assault rifles weren’t a common thing? Why did they take off in the 90s when there was an assault weapons ban in place? 
 

To me, everyone is focused on treating the symptom, but not the cause. If we really want to solve the issue, we have to do a deep dive into what creates angry young men and what causes them to do these heinous acts. The problem is that people don’t want to delve into it because we tend to go for simple explanations for complex issues. We have politicians that are both polarized and polarizing, going for a quick and cheap political score rather than actually solving the issue  

 

 

that's a lot.   i was really only asking which policies aren't being enforced. who isn't enforcing those laws? is it a state by state thing? hell, keeping firearms out of the hands of people who are prohibited from having them should be a f'n no brainer. 

 

 

on access to firearms being lower than it was decades ago...doesn't the data show that there more firearms in the US than ever?  

not my chart, obviously...just one i found. i can't vouch for it's accuracy but i saw a few that looked similar. also, several sites were saying there are more guns than people in the US. idk..i haven't counted them. 

 

anyway, i think most are open to addressing the issue of gun violence on multiple fronts...not just "taking guns away".  address the causes AND the symptoms. it's not an either/or.  reduce the crazy AND reduce the crazy people's ability to get their hands on guns. but we do nothing. 

 

10 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Anyone have any idea whose clone this is?  

Moderator6?

6 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

that's a lot.   i was really only asking which policies aren't being enforced. who isn't enforcing those laws? is it a state by state thing? hell, keeping firearms out of the hands of people who are prohibited from having them should be a f'n no brainer. 

 

 

on access to firearms being lower than it was decades ago...doesn't the data show that there more firearms in the US than ever?  

not my chart, obviously...just one i found. i can't vouch for it's accuracy but i saw a few that looked similar. also, several sites were saying there are more guns than people in the US. idk..i haven't counted them. 

 

anyway, i think most are open to addressing the issue of gun violence on multiple fronts...not just "taking guns away".  address the causes AND the symptoms. it's not an either/or.  reduce the crazy AND reduce the crazy people's ability to get their hands on guns. but we do nothing. 

 

Guns have a really weird effect on some people.  A dude I work with has over 100 - doesn't hunt, rarely if ever shoots any of them.  Constantly buying more guns and ammo.  He's harmless, I just think he feels some kind of power by having that many and being able to say he has them.  I've offered to buy some off him and he refuses to sell any - when he's dead they'll just all go up for auction.  Makes no sense to me.  

One might note, in the chart posted above, the spikes that occur when gun grabbers are in power and peoples rights are being threatened.

9 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

that's a lot.   i was really only asking which policies aren't being enforced. who isn't enforcing those laws? is it a state by state thing? hell, keeping firearms out of the hands of people who are prohibited from having them should be a f'n no brainer. 

 

 

on access to firearms being lower than it was decades ago...doesn't the data show that there more firearms in the US than ever?  

not my chart, obviously...just one i found. i can't vouch for it's accuracy but i saw a few that looked similar. also, several sites were saying there are more guns than people in the US. idk..i haven't counted them. 

 

anyway, i think most are open to addressing the issue of gun violence on multiple fronts...not just "taking guns away".  address the causes AND the symptoms. it's not an either/or.  reduce the crazy AND reduce the crazy people's ability to get their hands on guns. but we do nothing. 

 

You just don't know how to extrapolate the data.

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

One might note, in the chart posted above, the spikes that occur when gun grabbers are in power and peoples rights are being threatened.

And yet here we are, with nothing changed. But please be sure to buy more guns when Biden wins in 2024.

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Note to retarded liberals: please stop telling these mentally ill lunatics that they're being hunted. They're stupid and deranged enough to believe it. Thank you.

When this person fights, is it going to be with that homemade L.A.R.P. sceptre? 

Cause I'll, be honest... I'd pay real money to see that

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

One might note, in the chart posted above, the spikes that occur when gun grabbers are in power and peoples rights are being threatened.

well...when the nra can fear monger people into thinking the dems are gonna take their guns away.   

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

And yet here we are, with nothing changed. But please be sure to buy more guns when Biden wins in 2024.

Will do.

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

Will do.

The shareholders thank you.

And since everyone claims to be interested in trying to figure out why this happens and how we might alleviate it, is it not prudent to ask if there's any similarity in the medications that these people might be taking when they commit these acts?