21 hours ago, downundermike said:

 

 

 

Not gonna happen.  At the end of the day, over the air, free TV will always have a viewers, as plenty of folks can not afford cable.

All Sunday Ticket does is give you the opportunity to see other local CBS and Fox broadcasts.

Fewer than 2 million people sign up for Sunday ticket.  Philadelphia v Atlanta week 1 last year had 11.18 million viewers.  Local broadcasting gets the majority of viewers.

Not talking about cable.  Cable is dead.  In the next 5 years or so, most people will receive their content via broadband.  Do you really care if you watch the Eagles game on CBS or Amazon? 

And as for game one, it actually had 19 million viewers on NBC. And that number was the worst in years.

The Eagles’ win, which was delayed nearly an hour due to inclement weather, was the lowest rated and least-watched NFL Kickoff Game since 2008 (Giants-Washington: 8.6, 13.5M). The 2008 game was moved up to 7 PM ET to accommodate the late John McCain’s acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention.

 

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Not talking about cable.  Cable is dead.  In the next 5 years or so, most people will receive their content via broadband.  Do you really care if you watch the Eagles game on CBS or Amazon? 

 

You're assuming everyone is as tech savvy as you are.  Now start imagining how your grandparents would get to watch the game.

23 hours ago, downundermike said:

 

 

 

Not gonna happen.  At the end of the day, over the air, free TV will always have a viewers, as plenty of folks can not afford cable.

All Sunday Ticket does is give you the opportunity to see other local CBS and Fox broadcasts.

Fewer than 2 million people sign up for Sunday ticket.  Philadelphia v Atlanta week 1 last year had 11.18 million viewers.  Local broadcasting gets the majority of viewers.

Fewer than 2 million signed up because they don’t want to pay for a DirectTV subscription only to then have to pay an additional subscription for the Ticket. 

Guarantee there will be far more subscribers when it moves to a streaming service that doesn’t require a cable/satellite subscription. 

1 hour ago, Vee said:

 

 

You're assuming everyone is as tech savvy as you are.  Now start imagining how your grandparents would get to watch the game.

Dude, it’s not new technology. Netflix has had streaming for like 15 years now. Older people already know how to do it. My 75ish year old grandparents get by just fine with their Apple TV, Netflix and Prime. 

2 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

Not talking about cable.  Cable is dead.  In the next 5 years or so, most people will receive their content via broadband.  Do you really care if you watch the Eagles game on CBS or Amazon? 

Sunday Ticket is a feed of CBS and FOX programming from a different market.  If you have Sunday Ticket, you can not watch the local market on Sunday Ticket, and that is not going to change.  Over the air TV is not going away.

Sunday Ticket also does not show the Thursday, Sunday and Monday night games.

11 minutes ago, nipples said:

Fewer than 2 million signed up because they don’t want to pay for a DirectTV subscription only to then have to pay an additional subscription for the Ticket. 

Guarantee there will be far more subscribers when it moves to a streaming service that doesn’t require a cable/satellite subscription. 

See above

41 minutes ago, nipples said:

Dude, it’s not new technology. Netflix has had streaming for like 15 years now. Older people already know how to do it. My 75ish year old grandparents get by just fine with their Apple TV, Netflix and Prime. 

Didn't say it was new.

My parents and in-laws would have problems.  Problems lead to frustration.  Frustration leads to Matlock or Law & Order.

3 hours ago, Vee said:

 

 

You're assuming everyone is as tech savvy as you are.  Now start imagining how your grandparents would get to watch the game.

We may see streaming devices that work very much like cable boxes. We use Tivo and it has streaming apps as well as cable tuners. It wouldn't take all that much, mostly a simple user interface. The device could be the equivalent of a Jitterbug phone. It wouldn't need to be all things to all people, laden with "features".

We don’t get Sunday ticket here in Ireland but game pass which unlike includes live games, and in Ireland the NFL is show on sky sports and they black out the games they show on Sunday because they know that nobody would watch who could use gamepass. 

3 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

Not talking about cable.  Cable is dead.  In the next 5 years or so, most people will receive their content via broadband.  Do you really care if you watch the Eagles game on CBS or Amazon? 

I do. On Amazon, you can’t freely flip channels during the commercial break. You pretty much have to leave it set to the same channel for three and a half hours.

Obviously I’m not going to be changing channels during the actual game itself, but it’s fun scrolling around during commercials to get a look at the other game or to glance at updates on NFL Network.

3 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I do. On Amazon, you can’t freely flip channels during the commercial break. You pretty much have to leave it set to the same channel for three and a half hours.

Obviously I’m not going to be changing channels during the actual game itself, but it’s fun scrolling around during commercials to get a look at the other game or to glance at updates on NFL Network.

But you can. Let's say they get Sunday Ticket.  Their home screen will have a thumbnail of each game being carried, like DirecTV does now, so you can click around the league.  They'll design a new interface with the NFL in mind.  So will Apple or whoever else might deliver the winning bid.  Plus you'll be able to watch on your phone or tablet much easier. 

5 hours ago, downundermike said:

Sunday Ticket is a feed of CBS and FOX programming from a different market.  If you have Sunday Ticket, you can not watch the local market on Sunday Ticket, and that is not going to change.  Over the air TV is not going away.

Sunday Ticket also does not show the Thursday, Sunday and Monday night games.

You can't watch locally because it's blacked out on Sunday Ticket.  It would be nothing more than the flip of a proverbial switch to allow viewers in each local market the ability to see their local teams - again, assuming the streamer gets a full package in the way that the networks you mentioned have today.

It's the wild west and nobody can see the future but broadly speaking, streaming is taking over. 

As long as it doesn’t all make us download Peacock

Please not Peacock

Using Fubo and my VPNs, I've pretty much had access to any game I want. Price wise, I probably paid around the same (maybe a little less), than if I'd had Sunday Ticket. But even if it was a little more, I'd still have done it via Fubo/VPN because with that, I got access to Philly locals. 

Last season, the VPNs didn't work as well and when using a Philly server, it would show me in various other cities, but I was still able to work around it and regardless of that, I still got NBCS Philly.

On 7/10/2022 at 12:02 PM, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

I still do like the antenna option for places wires or towers can’t reach

People might think that is weird, but it's not. I cut cable years ago (except for my computers and Xbox) and I see nearly every Eagles game for free.  I'm really busy, and I don't care about other teams, so I'm good. Comcast dared me to cut the cable years ago, as if I couldn't live without it, and I called them on it- end of cable. I stream whatever I want through Xbox- movies and all that, but I get nearly all Eagles games for free and without the lag and all that mess.

28 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

People might think that is weird, but it's not. I cut cable years ago (except for my computers and Xbox) and I see nearly every Eagles game for free.  I'm really busy, and I don't care about other teams, so I'm good. Comcast dared me to cut the cable years ago, as if I couldn't live without it, and I called them on it- end of cable. I stream whatever I want through Xbox- movies and all that, but I get nearly all Eagles games for free and without the lag and all that mess.

That’s great for people who live in the Philly market. Poor **** like me who live in the middle of Patriot country aren’t so lucky. 

I don't like streaming services 

43 minutes ago, Godfather said:

I don't like streaming services 

yeah, f that

1 hour ago, NCTANK said:

yeah, f that

Agreed

PFT reporting it'll most likely be Apple

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/07/14/report-apple-the-most-likely-winner-of-sunday-ticket-rights-at-possibly-3-billion-per-year/

32 minutes ago, metal said:

PFT reporting it'll most likely be Apple

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/07/14/report-apple-the-most-likely-winner-of-sunday-ticket-rights-at-possibly-3-billion-per-year/

$3 billion a year?? 

Let's do some back-of-the-envelope math:

If they have 2 million subscribers, which is the DirecTV number, and continue to charge about $300 a season they gross $600 million,  which doesn't even cover the rights fee, let alone whatever infrastructure and marketing costs come along with it.

On the other hand, Apple has about 50 million users, split 50/50 between paying subscribers and people who use the platform for free (you get a year free when you buy an Apple device) or at a greatly reduced subscription fee due to other promotions.  If Apple can convert half those people - who are already using the platform - they gross $7.5 billion per year.  

Everybody gets paid. 

I've watched whatever game I want for well over a decade.  It's not hard to do.  I don't care who is in control of it somebody will have it available to watch so I can cast it to the TV for free.

2 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

That's 50 million world wide 25 US (NFL's main audience obviously)  and usually the only people that have apple are the ones that use apple tv in most cases and then it costs on 5 dollars a month. 

Fair enough but the point is Apple wants to scale it.  Apple TV is like any other streaming service - it's a tile on the landing page of your home screen. This would give them the highest value sports package in the world.  They just acquired the rights to MLS a couple of months ago. $3 billion is pocket change for them.  Partnership with the NFL helps them corner the sports market and is probably the tip of the iceberg.

It's all about the money, obvy.  USC and UCLA just joined the Big 10 and - surprise surprise - the Big 10's TV deal runs out after the 2023 season.  The streamers have that date circled every bit as much as the broadcast networks do. 

Adapt or die.

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Fair enough but the point is Apple wants to scale it.  Apple TV is like any other streaming service - it's a tile on the landing page of your home screen. This would give them the highest value sports package in the world.  They just acquired the rights to MLS a couple of months ago. $3 billion is pocket change for them.  Partnership with the NFL helps them corner the sports market and is probably the tip of the iceberg.

It's all about the money, obvy.  USC and UCLA just joined the Big 10 and - surprise surprise - the Big 10's TV deal runs out after the 2023 season.  The streamers have that date circled every bit as much as the broadcast networks do. 

Adapt or die.

I went to streaming before it even became popular. It was literally just Netflix and the early stages of Hulu and sling TV for live TV streaming when it only had 15 channels lol. 

It's getting ridiculous, having to get a different steaming service for every little thing you want to watch. So if it's not on a streaming service I already have I won't be getting another one. Not sure how others feel about that but, that's where I stand on the issue as of now. 

26 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Fair enough but the point is Apple wants to scale it.  Apple TV is like any other streaming service - it's a tile on the landing page of your home screen. This would give them the highest value sports package in the world.  They just acquired the rights to MLS a couple of months ago. $3 billion is pocket change for them.  Partnership with the NFL helps them corner the sports market and is probably the tip of the iceberg.

It's all about the money, obvy.  USC and UCLA just joined the Big 10 and - surprise surprise - the Big 10's TV deal runs out after the 2023 season.  The streamers have that date circled every bit as much as the broadcast networks do. 

Adapt or die.

Games will still be on free TV, this will not impact broadcast networks at all.

16 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I went to streaming before it even became popular. It was literally just Netflix and the early stages of Hulu and sling TV for live TV streaming when it only had 15 channels lol. 

It's getting ridiculous, having to get a different steaming service for every little thing you want to watch. So if it's not on a streaming service I already have I won't be getting another one. Not sure how others feel about that but, that's where I stand on the issue as of now. 

And you can always find the games for free and people will always use that resource.