On 7/28/2022 at 2:43 PM, Kz! said:

Penciling in a UDFA as a future starter before the first week of training camp is over? Bold.

Eh why not? My bold prediction before the first preseason game

On 7/28/2022 at 9:22 PM, ToastJenkins said:

Probably should t ever sink premium money into an rb

gainwell rb 1 in 2023 most likely

Agreed and maybe. I wouldn't be surprised if they go after a guy like Jacobs and let Sanders walk

On 7/28/2022 at 8:13 PM, Next_Up said:

Nasty Nate frontrunner

Um it’s now called the Carson Strong Award. 

On 7/28/2022 at 10:22 PM, ToastJenkins said:

gainwell rb 1 in 2023 most likely

Gainwell as your feature back?.......me no think so.

On 7/29/2022 at 2:02 PM, EagleVA said:

Sanders should have his best year as an Eagle this season, if so, the Eagles will have a difficult decision to make.  Personally, I'd keep him unless there's a back that's clearly an upgrade and I see that in Gainwell. 

BTW, everyone speaks of Gainwell's receiving ability as though Sanders has stone hands as a receiver, personally, I find no fault with him as a receiver.  

I like Gainwell in a rotation, he's a multi faceted back whom one can move around the formation and create mismatches and as a rookie he showed an uncanny nose for the end zone, reports out of camp are that he's improved as a pass blocker.

As for Sanders he may very well have his best season as an eagle and I still wouldnt extend him.

He showed such horrible vision last year didn't pick up tough yards and has been so inconsistent as a receiver out of the back field and thats not even mentioning that he had a grand total of zero TDs last year.😒

Unless he's willing to come back on an extremely team friendly deal I'd let some other team over spend on him.

5 hours ago, Utebird said:

He showed such horrible vision last year didn't pick up tough yards and has been so inconsistent as a receiver out of the back field and thats not even mentioning that he had a grand total of zero TDs last year.😒

 

There's no doubt about it, vision is a a paramount attribute for a RB and I usually pickup on poor vision and I didn't notice Sanders lacking in that area, unfortunately I don't record/re-watch the games so maybe he does have poor vision.

As far a his receiving ability, I recall him being a good receiver his first year or two so that's just a concentration issue.  Unfortunately, none of the Eagles backs picked up tough yards and concerning the 0 TD's I don't put much stock in that because it's a matter of how many attempts did he have near the goal line and what kind of blocking did he receive. 

My honest opinion about Sanders last year, I don't recall much because when the Eagles went on the 5 game losing streak I believe he was dogging it, I don't think he was injured at all, seems to me he decided to not put forth the effort in a losing season........just a hunch.

If the guy has an outstanding season he should be rewarded with decent money on short term contract not unless the Eagles intend on drafting another RB (Sean Tucker) I mean, he's the best back on the team as it stand now..

One thing is for sure,  you don't want Gainwell as your feature back, it's a world of difference between coming off the bench and being the feature back, all eyes will be on him as the feature back and he would get smothered because he's neither powerful nor fast. 

42 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

There's no doubt about it, vision is a a paramount attribute for a RB and I usually pickup on poor vision and I didn't notice Sanders lacking in that area, unfortunately I don't record/re-watch the games so maybe he does have poor vision.

As far a his receiving ability, I recall him being a good receiver his first year or two so that's just a concentration issue.  Unfortunately, none of the Eagles backs picked up tough yards and concerning the 0 TD's I don't put much stock in that because it's a matter of how many attempts did he have near the goal line and what kind of blocking did he receive. 

My honest opinion about Sanders last year, I don't recall much because when the Eagles went on the 5 game losing streak I believe he was dogging it, I don't think he was injured at all, seems to me he decided to not put forth the effort in a losing season........just a hunch.

If the guy has an outstanding season he should be rewarded with decent money on short term contract not unless the Eagles intend on drafting another RB (Sean Tucker) I mean, he's the best back on the team as it stand now..

One thing is for sure,  you don't want Gainwell as your feature back, it's a world of difference between coming off the bench and being the feature back, all eyes will be on him as the feature back and he would get smothered because he's neither powerful nor fast. 

Yeah I don't see Gainwell as a lead back.

I think Sirianni sees him in the role hines has in Indianapolis.

Hines has 40+ catches every year he's been in the league.

Gainwell has the ability to catch 40+ catches a year and move all over the formation.

On 7/18/2022 at 7:14 AM, CouchKing said:

Not sure what Sanders will cost.

Not sure that Brooks is the starter of the future. Not very fast.

The Eagles might want to draft a big and fast RB if there is one available.

 

My honest opinion is none of the backs looked worthy as being on the field for more than a few snaps a game. Our run game looked bad against the Jets. Too many plays did I see a midget trying to run against the line and not get yardage when needed.

On 7/28/2022 at 12:43 PM, Kz! said:

Penciling in a UDFA as a future starter before the first week of training camp is over? Bold.

Yep.  Gainwell is the best RB we have

On 7/29/2022 at 10:10 PM, EazyEaglez said:

Sanders isn’t close to the receiver he was as a rookie though last year he did improve his drop rate from the year prior. If there were just one thing that was an issue with Sanders then he probably has a contract right now, but he has several issues in his game. 

Who was his QB as a rookie when he was a good receiver 

On 8/14/2022 at 9:02 PM, downundermike said:

Who was his QB as a rookie when he was a good receiver 

The same one he had in 2020 when he led all NFL RBs in drops.

On 8/15/2022 at 12:02 AM, downundermike said:

Who was his QB as a rookie when he was a good receiver 

The guy who had him wide open in the flat against Seattle and threw it 10 yards over his head. 

On 7/29/2022 at 1:05 PM, EazyEaglez said:

It does feel like the Eagles are planning to move on from Sanders, but Gainwell better be ready. I thought he had a good rookie season, but he needs to take a big jump if the Eagles are looking to move on from Sanders. I always felt like Sanders was a talented player, but for some reason he’s never been able to put it all together. 

For crying out loud, you guys need to stop with the Gainwell talk.

I can tell you now, if the Eagles don't get a a cowbell RB they're going to be a .500 team or worse, neither Gainwell nor Scott fits the bill for what they need.

Every draft that comes around I look for the big backs coming out and post them in I Want the Eagles to Get and dumbarse passes on them every year.

Hurts isn't ready to carry a team with little to no running game, with Gainwell or Scott as the lead back Hurts is going to be facing 3rd and long all game long and good luck with that.

44 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

For crying out loud, you guys need to stop with the Gainwell talk.

I can tell you now, if the Eagles don't get a a cowbell RB they're going to be a .500 team or worse, neither Gainwell nor Scott fits the bill for what they need.

Every draft that comes around I look for the big backs coming out and post them in I Want the Eagles to Get and dumbarse passes on them every year.

Hurts isn't ready to carry a team with little to no running game, with Gainwell or Scott as the lead back Hurts is going to be facing 3rd and long all game long and good luck with that.

I would love to see Hunt added to the group, but I doubt it happens. I hope a bruising back is added, because that was absolutely part of the recipe that led this team to the Bowl. If Sanders gets hurt during the season I kind of doubt he gets the job back from Hunt. I’m not really that sold on Gainwell, but I feel like the Eagles are. Durability will all the Eagles backs are an issue in my opinion.

 

 

6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I would love to see Hunt added to the group, but I doubt it happens. I hope a bruising back is added, because that was absolutely part of the recipe that led this team to the Bowl. If Sanders gets hurt during the season I kind of doubt he gets the job back from Hunt. I’m not really that sold on Gainwell, but I feel like the Eagles are. Durability will all the Eagles backs are an issue in my opinion.

 

 

It's funny, all you hear is Gainwell replacing SAnders when Scott is a better option.

Anyhow, I just finished looking at the available FA RBs, the Eagles should pickup a back that I've always liked, Kalen Ballage.

Ballage is in Derrick Henry mold, 6'2'', 231, good long speed (4.46), an excellent receiver, and will run you the F over.  Because of his height he's not the greatest in traffic but with supposedly the best OL in the league he should have many lanes to run through.  One thing is for sure, third and shorts he'll keep the chains moving......can you say play action?  

10 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

It's funny, all you hear is Gainwell replacing SAnders when Scott is a better option.

Anyhow, I just finished looking at the available FA RBs, the Eagles should pickup a back that I've always liked, Kalen Ballage.

Ballage is in Derrick Henry mold, 6'2'', 231, good long speed (4.46), an excellent receiver, and will run you the F over.  Because of his height he's not the greatest in traffic but with supposedly the best OL in the league he should have many lanes to run through.  One thing is for sure, third and shorts he'll keep the chains moving......can you say play action?  

We will see. I don’t know if the Eagles have any interest in the player. Personally I agree that Scott is a better player than Gainwell, but my opinion doesn’t matter on it and the Eagles seem determined to give Gainwell a chance. You never know though. Sanders could have a breakout season and quiet all the doubters including the Eagles brass who haven’t been willing to give him an extension so far.

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

We will see. I don’t know if the Eagles having interest in the player. Personally I agree that Scott is a better player than Gainwell, but my opinion doesn’t matter on it and the Eagles seem determined to give Gainwell a chance. You never know though. Sanders could have a breakout season and quiet all the doubters including the Eagles brass who haven’t been willing to give him an extension so far.

Gainwell had a really good series against the browns. Im not sold on him but, he flashed last season as a rookie who didn't play his last season in college ( the reason he fell in the draft) .  So good chance he takes the next step this year. 

17 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Gainwell had a really good series against the browns. Im not sold on him but, he flashed last season as a rookie who didn't play his last season in college ( the reason he fell in the draft) .  So good chance he takes the next step this year. 

I also think Scott have a very good series against the Browns too and every time he’s out there he just produces on the field. I like him more than Gainwell, but I don’t think either guy can be a 3 down back. Not that the league is trending towards that way right now anyways. Gainwell is probably the back with the best hands on the roster, but to me the best back in space is Scott. Sanders does have that break away ability though. Just feels like he’s just missing something in his game. Just a bunch a things that are keeping him from taking that next step in his game. The most talented guy in the group is Sanders, but will he take that next step?

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I also think Scott have a very good series against the Browns too and every time he’s out there he just produces on the field. I like him more than Gainwell, but I don’t think either guy can be a 3 down back. Not that the league is trending towards that way right now anyways. Gainwell is probably the back with the best hands on the roster, but to me the best back in space is Scott. Sanders does have that break away ability though. Just feels like he’s just missing something in his game. Just a bunch a things that Are keeping him from taking that next step in his game. The most talented guy in the group is Sanders, but will he take that next step?

Sanders is just not situationally smart and gets nagging injuries. If he could stop one of them he would be great. Sanders is like leading the league in a ton of stats since he came into the league but, still like you said seems like he is missing something.... Like I said it's always one of the 2 things I mentioned sometimes both.

Also tough to judge him off of last year since the first half of the season he was getting like 2 carries a game, then when they decided to finally run the damn thing he got hurt.. .. Then!! When healthy again the dope kept running out of bounds when we were trying to run off the clock so once again those 2 things show up time and time again. Same with his fumbling it's always after he breaks a big run and a defender comes in and knocks the ball out, more bone headed nonsense not holding onto the ball after just breaking off for a big run that would be a touchdown. 

 

Well looks like I'm probably wrong on him making the 53 man roster. If no one claims him he should make it to the PS. I think they'll carry only 3 rbs

2 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Sanders is just not situationally smart and gets nagging injuries. If he could stop one of them he would be great. Sanders is like leading the league in a ton of stats since he came into the league but, still like you said seems like he is missing something.... Like I said it's always one of the 2 things I mentioned sometimes both.

Also tough to judge him off of last year since the first half of the season he was getting like 2 carries a game, then when they decided to finally run the damn thing he got hurt.. .. Then!! When healthy again the dope kept running out of bounds when we were trying to run off the clock so once again those 2 things show up time and time again. Same with his fumbling it's always after he breaks a big run and a defender comes in and knocks the ball out, more bone headed nonsense not holding onto the ball after just breaking off for a big run that would be a touchdown. 

 

Sanders is one of those guys that makes people say if he can put it all together he’s going to be great, but there’s just so many things he has to fix and make right. Durability issues are still hampering him as he already has a bum hamstring. Many guys who get the injury prone moniker rarely ever lose it. Did they sparingly use him early because they were afraid he would get hurt? Kind of hard to argue against that considering when they started using him more he got hurt! It’s obvious the Eagles are cool on Sanders right now and with all the rumors circling about Hunt he should be on notice. With that being the case I don’t think they would bring in Hunt (though I hope they do) because that’s just one more guy griping about a contract too. 

33 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Sanders is one of those guys that makes people say if he can put it all together he’s going to be great, but there’s just so many things he has to fix and make right. Durability issues are still hampering him as he already has a bum hamstring. Many guys who get the injury prone moniker rarely ever lose it. Did they sparingly use him early because they were afraid he would get hurt? Kind of hard to argue against that considering when they started using him more he got hurt! It’s obvious the Eagles are cool on Sanders right now and with all the rumors circling about Hunt he should be on notice. With that being the case I don’t think they would bring in Hunt (though I hope they do) because that’s just one more guy griping about a contract too. 

As Roob pointed out, only 11 RBs in the NFL have played in more games than Sanders over the last 3 years. Sanders has missed a total of 8 games. D. Henry missed 8 games just last season. Barkley has missed 21 games the last 3 seasons. Kamara has played in one more game than Sanders in that span. It's just part of the game. Even Hunt missed 9 games last season. 

A contract year is the best year to have a player. I'm not the least bit worried about a preseason soft tissue injury designation on a clear starter. 

6 hours ago, brkmsn said:

As Roob pointed out, only 11 RBs in the NFL have played in more games than Sanders over the last 3 years. Sanders has missed a total of 8 games. D. Henry missed 8 games just last season. Barkley has missed 21 games the last 3 seasons. Kamara has played in one more game than Sanders in that span. It's just part of the game. Even Hunt missed 9 games last season. 

A contract year is the best year to have a player. I'm not the least bit worried about a preseason soft tissue injury designation on a clear starter. 

Henry was lost due to a major injury in one season while Sanders has missed multiple games in multiple seasons. In that same span Henry carried the ball 899 times, while Sanders carried it 480. That’s a bogus stat bud. Half the workload with the same amount of missed time. It’s sad really. Henry had more rushing touchdowns in those 8 games than Sanders has for his career. These two guys aren’t close in any way. You can’t claim he’s a "clear starter” when he’s showing part time numbers. Barkley is another guy who missed time due to a serious injuries, but he’s the exact cautionary tale as to why the Eagles should be cautious about giving Sanders money. As I already stated the dude is already hurt and soft tissue injuries for a guy who uses his speed are definitely a problem, because they have been known to linger for much of a season. In fact sprains can be even harder to deal with than breaks. This is an excerpt from Donte Stallworth’s wiki page: " On August 28, 2006, Stallworth was traded to the Philadelphia Eagles for linebacker Mark Simoneau and a conditional fourth round pick in the 2007 NFL Draft. In Stallworth's first game with the Eagles, less than two weeks after the trade, he caught six passes for 141 yards and a touchdown. Due to a nagging hamstringinjury, he missed three games early in the regular season, but finished the year with 725 yards and five touchdowns. Hamstring injuries have been a persistent problem throughout his professional career.“ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donté_Stallworth

 Sanders has never had a 1000 yard season and that includes being on the team that led the league in rushing last season. Sanders has never even had 200 carries in a season yet he has one of the higher rate of fumbles per carry in football. Miles Sanders averages 12 carries a game for his career. Last year he averages 11.4 carries a game on the best rushing team in football and you call him a clear starter? Don’t think so bud. 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Henry was lost due to a major injury in one season while Sanders has missed multiple games in multiple seasons. In that same span Henry carried the ball 899 times, while Sanders carried it 480. That’s a bogus stat bud. Half the workload with the same amount of missed time. It’s sad really. Henry had more rushing touchdowns in those 8 games than Sanders has for his career. These two guys aren’t close in any way. You can’t claim he’s a "clear starter” when he’s showing part time numbers. Barkley is another guy who missed time due to a serious injuries, but he’s the exact cautionary tale as to why the Eagles should be cautious about giving Sanders money. As I already stated the dude is already hurt and soft tissue injuries for a guy who uses his speed are definitely a problem, because they have been known to linger for much of a season. In fact sprains can be even harder to deal with than breaks. This is an excerpt from Donte Stallworth’s wiki page: " On August 28, 2006, Stallworth was traded to the Philadelphia Eagles for linebacker Mark Simoneau and a conditional fourth round pick in the 2007 NFL Draft. In Stallworth's first game with the Eagles, less than two weeks after the trade, he caught six passes for 141 yards and a touchdown. Due to a nagging hamstringinjury, he missed three games early in the regular season, but finished the year with 725 yards and five touchdowns. Hamstring injuries have been a persistent problem throughout his professional career.“ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donté_Stallworth

 Sanders has never had a 1000 yard season and that includes being on the team that led the league in rushing last season. Sanders has never even had 200 carries in a season yet he has one of the higher rate of fumbles per carry in football. Miles Sanders averages 12 carries a game for his career. Last year he averages 11.4 carries a game on the best rushing team in football and you call him a clear starter? Don’t think so bud. 

He is by far the clear starter on this team. That's why he wasn't playing in a meaningless preseason game where the #2 and #3 HBs each received 10+ touches. Every year, you guys make a big deal about some super-minor preseason injury designation on some starter that "is already hurt again." He will start week one. He will be fine. He'll probably miss a couple games this year because statistically it's likely for a player at his position. Hey, don't let me stop you from panicking and freaking out about hamstring soreness. It's clearly irregular for football players to experience muscle soreness. You should be very concerned ...