Posted July 18, 20223 yr https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2022/07/politics/steve-bannon-us-democracy/ This is the drumbeat ground forces strategy that the MAGA team is using to try to gain control of the election process heading into '24 and Bannon is the kingpin. He has essentially filled the airways void left by Limbaugh and uses the Trump profile/name as the main marketing face. The entire "big lie" 2020 election is the key idea that people need to believe in. Sort of the "Jesus will save you from your sins" type message of the MAGA movement. Naturally, the idiot Trump isn't organizing any of this himself. He's focused on the grifting via his fund raising and dealing with all of this legal issues. Bannon is the real issue and he is the lead general in the actual war going on. He's happy to stay out of the main media at this point as much as he can. No doubt, he doesn't like this article. If there is one guy that needs to be prosecuted and put away to help deal with this problem (beyond Trump himself) it is Bannon.
July 18, 20223 yr Bannan told everyone what he was years ago Quote Then we had a long talk about his approach to politics. He never called himself a "populist” or an "American nationalist,” as so many think of him today. "I’m a Leninist,” Bannon proudly proclaimed. Shocked, I asked him what he meant. "Lenin,” he answered, "wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down
July 18, 20223 yr Author And yet he receives very little attention right now from the main stream and that serves him well.
July 18, 20223 yr 24 minutes ago, Gannan said: Bannan told everyone what he was years ago Bannan is on the team, of the most dangerous men in America. Steve Bannan; Alex Jones; Michael Flynn; Roger Stone; John Eastman; Donald Trump.
July 18, 20223 yr 52 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Bannan is on the team, of the most dangerous men in America. Steve Bannan; Alex Jones; Michael Flynn; Roger Stone; John Eastman; Donald Trump. Stephen Miller and Peter Navarro.
July 18, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: I'd drop Jones from that list but yeah. Bannon is the strategist. Alex Jones incites Maga violence and spews conspiracy theories.
July 18, 20223 yr Author 1 minute ago, jsdarkstar said: Alex Jones incites Maga violence and spews conspiracy theories. For sure and there are others like Carlson that do that as well. What they don't do is move the actual groundwork forward or come up with the actual tactical/strategic moves and plans.
July 18, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: For sure and there are others like Carlson that do that as well. What they don't do is move the actual groundwork forward or come up with the actual tactical/strategic moves and plans. I don't know. Jones actually goes to the Maga protests and riles up the crowd. Not sure if he used his media savvy to plan and gather them or not. Roger Stone seems to me like he is the mastermind behind everything Evil.
July 18, 20223 yr Author 5 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: I don't know. Jones actually goes to the Maga protests and riles up the crowd. Not sure if he used his media savvy to plan and gather them or not. Roger Stone seems to me like he is the mastermind behind everything Evil. Compared to Bannon, Stone seems more like a limited political thug only capable of dirty tactics and not a well thought out overall strategy to me but maybe I'm wrong. No doubt, Stone has been a political adviser and strategist for some big names over the years. As for the evil, yep, he's pure evil. So is Bannon.
January 3, 20242 yr Bannon and his ilk will use voter intimidation, try and over run voting centers and places where they count to votes to change the outcome of the election.
January 3, 20242 yr On 7/18/2022 at 4:17 AM, DrPhilly said: The entire "big lie" 2020 election is the key idea that people need to believe in. Sort of the "Jesus will save you from your sins" type message of the MAGA movement. That's an incredibly stupid rallying cry. It might be a perfect message for the truly delusional because it frames Trump as the victim and also not a loser, but it's not particularly wide reaching. It really only holds to the true base, which isn't even remotely enough people to win an election. It's great if your goal is to get people to join your civil war but most of the country isn't interested in any election being a referendum on the last election. It's just bad strategy on a basic level.
January 3, 20242 yr This Quote Benjamin Ginsberg, a Republican elections attorney, told CNN there is nothing inherently wrong with the civic engagement — that getting involved at the polls is "actually the healthy outlet that’s supposed to occur.” "The question is what people who doubt elections actually do in the polling place. And if — as people go to vote to cast their rightful ballot — they're stopped or harassed or hassled, then that becomes the problem,” said Ginsberg, a visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. if it goes beyond this to illegally alter the outcome of the election then lock them up. Until then this is nothing more than alarmist rhetoric demonizing one of the Democrat party's most effective electioneering tactics, grass roots politics, when it's Republicans doing it. And no, I don't like Bannon. Don't trust him, never will, the whole Leninist quote has always bugged me. What's described here is no different than what Democrats have been doing exclusively for decades. Now that some Republicans have decided to play by the same rules it's suddenly a dangerous problem? If it wasn't then, it isn't now.
January 3, 20242 yr Author 12 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: That's an incredibly stupid rallying cry. It might be a perfect message for the truly delusional because it frames Trump as the victim and also not a loser, but it's not particularly wide reaching. It really only holds to the true base, which isn't even remotely enough people to win an election. It's great if your goal is to get people to join your civil war but most of the country isn't interested in any election being a referendum on the last election. It's just bad strategy on a basic level. It isn't about getting votes in the general election. It is about voting in the morons at the local level and gaining power over the people that actually execute the elections at the local level.
January 3, 20242 yr 7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: It isn't about getting votes in the general election. It is about voting in the morons at the local level and gaining power over the people that actually execute the elections at the local level. There's quite a bit pushing back on that though. Watching people get put away for trying to overturn the last election is a pretty massive deterrent. I'm not saying it isn't possible but if, say, Raffenspurger had actually done what Trump had asked him to do he'd likely be up on RICO charges right now.
January 3, 20242 yr Author 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: There's quite a bit pushing back on that though. Watching people get put away for trying to overturn the last election is a pretty massive deterrent. I'm not saying it isn't possible but if, say, Raffenspurger had actually done what Trump had asked him to do he'd likely be up on RICO charges right now. Let's hope the deterrents work.
January 3, 20242 yr 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Let's hope the deterrents work. You'd think the kind of fanatics the right recruits would be willing to throw their sad lonely lives away for a game show host, but then you see the vast majority buckle and flip when it comes down to it. Self preservation is a powerful motivator.
January 3, 20242 yr Author 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: the vast majority buckle and flip when it comes down to it Sure but there are many that are too dumb to figure it out until that point
January 4, 20242 yr I think a big issue is that politicians are always the best second rate minds. A lot of this could be avoided if political leaders could plainly explain things, but they take a page out of Karl Rove’s book and just frame things in the most basic (and often incorrect) way possible and they don’t speak until it’s too late. Good example is the Ukraine aid. As soon as the idiots started going on about "money to foreign interests”, Biden should have pounded the point home about how most of the money spent stays here, jobs, etc. Social media is making the collective people lose their ability to have critical thought, so you need to break the point down Barney style in a way that is more substantive than a simple framing of the opposition.
January 4, 20242 yr 2 minutes ago, Bill said: I think a big issue is that politicians are always the best second rate minds. A lot of this could be avoided if political leaders could plainly explain things, but they take a page out of Karl Rove’s book and just frame things in the most basic (and often incorrect) way possible and they don’t speak until it’s too late. Good example is the Ukraine aid. As soon as the idiots started going on about "money to foreign interests”, Biden should have pounded the point home about how most of the money spent stays here, jobs, etc. Social media is making the collective people lose their ability to have critical thought, so you need to break the point down Barney style in a way that is more substantive than a simple framing of the opposition. Wouldn’t have mattered with Ukrainian aid. The only position the right was ever going to take with it, no matter how they framed it, was that they wanted it to end, since Biden wants it to continue. What other choice did they have? Back it completely and give Biden (and the world of course but that’s irrelevant) a win? No chance. And the right controls the media narrative so, in the end , everything is argued on their terms. Given the media landscape (and the general lack of partisan loyalty from people on the left) the only issues the left can get through are the ones that affect everyday people (like abortion, especially post-Roe). They even have an hard time with some that do affect people, like healthcare. But anything abstract like wars Americans aren’t fighting in or federal spending don’t impact people enough to break through, so they’re always vulnerable to the right’s knee jerk partisan contrarian bull sheet.
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