November 7, 20222 yr 8 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Claims don't change the definition of being agnostic a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God Ricky Gervais killed it with this line Yeah. I also like the bit about telling God a holocaust joke is he gets to heaven.
November 7, 20222 yr 9 hours ago, EagleVA said: Now continue with your worship of the writing of Charles Darwin. you mean like this? "...But I may say that the impossibility of conceiving that this grand and wondrous universe, with our conscious selves, arose through chance, seems to me the chief argument for the existence of God;..." - Charles Darwin, 1873 Your illiteracy and ignorance of history are about as unsurprising as your closet desire to be buggered by the entire Tottenham Hotspur football club.
November 7, 20222 yr 19 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said: Atheism isn't a belief system, is is the rejection of the religions because no one can prove it to us that it exists. Atheism is a rejection of the belief that gods exist, but you can't prove a negative. I think that atheists pose a lot of the right questions, but to me, the only reasonable position is that we do not and can not ever know whether or not a higher power exists, which tracks more along the lines of agnosticism.
November 7, 20222 yr Atheism requires faith. It is a belief system. Not much too it, but like religion, it has an answer and requires only faith. If you say you don't know, then you are not an atheist. The atheist knows, despite not being able to prove their position.
November 7, 20222 yr 9 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Atheism requires faith. It is a belief system. Not much too it, but like religion, it has an answer and requires only faith. If you say you don't know, then you are not an atheist. The atheist knows, despite not being able to prove their position. I respectfully disagree, although it ultimately ends up being a matter of semantics. There are an infinite number of propositions one could make. If the Earl Bertrand Russell asked you if you believe there is a teapot orbiting the sun somewhere in the expanse between Earth and Mars, and you replied in the negative, one might refer to you as an ateapotist, but your position would hardly be a leap of faith and requires no justification (If it was a cabbage? A stainless steel bumplug?). If someone wants to meticulously search about 100 billion (US) cubic kilometers to find said pot - perhaps brewing a nice Darjeeling - then more power to them. Atheism isn't a system or even necessarily a world view, it's simply a response to a question that is most often posed in a binary way. "Do you believe in g(G)od?" theist: "yes" atheist: "no" The atheist can change their position with new evidence, the theist cannot. Show me the teapot.
November 7, 20222 yr 16 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said: I respectfully disagree, although it ultimately ends up being a matter of semantics. There are an infinite number of propositions one could make. If the Earl Bertrand Russell asked you if you believe there is a teapot orbiting the sun somewhere in the expanse between Earth and Mars, and you replied in the negative, one might refer to you as an ateapotist, but your position would hardly be a leap of faith and requires no justification (If it was a cabbage? A stainless steel bumplug?). If someone wants to meticulously search about 100 billion (US) cubic kilometers to find said pot - perhaps brewing a nice Darjeeling - then more power to them. Atheism isn't a system or even necessarily a world view, it's simply a response to a question that is most often posed in a binary way. "Do you believe in g(G)od?" theist: "yes" atheist: "no" The atheist can change their position with new evidence, the theist cannot. Show me the teapot. It is semantics, but the CORE for both, is belief. Something an agnostic lacks.
November 7, 20222 yr 22 hours ago, TEW said: Yeah, I agree. I’m pretty much an atheist myself — I guess technically agnostic because I don’t make a claim against God’s existence — but the real world impact of organized atheist ideologies has been uniquely horrific. Atheism and Agnosticism are two separate things, it’s possible to be both. Not all atheist make the claim that there is no god, just that they don’t believe one exists.
November 7, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, Toastrel said: Atheism requires faith. It is a belief system. Not much too it, but like religion, it has an answer and requires only faith. If you say you don't know, then you are not an atheist. The atheist knows, despite not being able to prove their position. What faith does it take to not believe in unicorns? While some atheist claim to know, theism isn’t about knowledge it is about belief. Gnosticism is about knowledge. I am an agnostic, atheist, Buddhist.
November 7, 20222 yr 8 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: What faith does it take to not believe in unicorns? While some atheist claim to know, theism isn’t about knowledge it is about belief. Gnosticism is about knowledge. I am an agnostic, atheist, Buddhist. The Siberian Unicorn. The question holds the answer, in this. "I believe there is no god." <- faith based statement (according to me)
November 7, 20222 yr 36 minutes ago, Toastrel said: The question holds the answer, in this. "I believe there is no god." <- faith based statement (according to me) I would never say it quite like that but is is still a statement about belief, not knowledge. It’s is possible to belief that there is no god and still claim to not know for sure. Do you believe in a god? no = atheist yes = theist Do you know it a god exists or not? no = agnostic yes = gnostic At end of the day it really doesn’t matter. I try not to waste time, anymore, arguing about a question we will never know the answer too.
November 7, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said: I would never say it quite like that but is is still a statement about belief, not knowledge. It’s is possible to belief that there is no god and still claim to not know for sure. Do you believe in a god? no = atheist yes = theist Do you know it a god exists or not? no = agnostic yes = gnostic At end of the day it really doesn’t matter. I try not to waste time, anymore, arguing about a question we will never know the answer too. So you don't care for Darjeeling? A pekoe man? Noted.
November 8, 20222 yr Except when driving on the highway, and CVON. It’s everyone for themselves then!!!!!😎
November 8, 20222 yr On 11/6/2022 at 11:23 AM, Boogyman said: I wish more people could just say "I don't know" lmao. Most do. Most atheists I know are also agnostic. On the other hand, most theists I know are not agnostic, the claim to know that their god exists.
November 8, 20222 yr On 11/6/2022 at 1:37 AM, TEW said: The collectivist ideologies — especially communism — have religion beat, merely for the fact that they not only claim atheism to be correct, but also make claims about the material world which are demonstrably falsifiable. https://richarddawkins.net/2014/10/the-atheist-atrocities-fallacy-hitler-stalin-pol-pot/
November 8, 20222 yr I am looking forward to the second coming of the Spanish Inquisition. Convert or die. MTG would approve.
November 8, 20222 yr 5 hours ago, jsdarkstar said: I am looking forward to the second coming of the Spanish Inquisition. Convert or die. MTG would approve.
November 10, 20222 yr California megachurch leader, grandparents charged with murder, torture in death of 11-year-old daughter https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/11/10/california-church-leader-charged-murder-daughter-death/8322404001/ Leticia McCormack, a leader at Rock Church in San Diego, founded and led by former NFL player Miles McPherson, was booked in jail Monday on a charge of murder, three counts of torture, and three counts of willful cruelty to a child in the death of Arabella McCormack, the San Diego County Sheriff's Office reported.
November 10, 20222 yr On 11/7/2022 at 11:33 AM, Arthur Jackson said: you mean like this? "...But I may say that the impossibility of conceiving that this grand and wondrous universe, with our conscious selves, arose through chance, seems to me the chief argument for the existence of God;..." - Charles Darwin, 1873 Your illiteracy and ignorance of history are about as unsurprising as your closet desire to be buggered by the entire Tottenham Hotspur football club. Here's the story, the title "God" is very generic. Often you'll hear someone say I believe in God but I can't believe in a God that orders the killing of every man, woman, and child from a group of people or I can't believe in a God that does this or that......these people are defining imaginary Gods of their liking. So Darwin's God isn't the God of the Bible, namely Yahuwah, because of his belief in evolution which contradicts the God of the Bible, no believer in Yahuwah would dare to deny His greatest creation, namely Man, Darwin attributed the existence of Man to random chance. So help yourself in defense of Darwin, as for me, I see a man who's led millions away from Yahuwah and I'll never defend him for that alone.
November 10, 20222 yr 5 minutes ago, EagleVA said: Here's the story, the title "God" is very generic. Often you'll hear someone say I believe in God but I can't believe in a God that orders the killing of every man, woman, and child from a group of people or I can't believe in a God that does this or that......these people are defining imaginary Gods of their liking. So Darwin's God isn't the God of the Bible, namely Yahuwah, because of his belief in evolution which contradicts the God of the Bible, no believer in Yahuwah would dare to deny His greatest creation, namely Man, Darwin attributed the existence of Man to random chance. So help yourself in defense of Darwin, as for me, I see a man who's led millions away from Yahuwah and I'll never defend him for that alone. Do you follow all the rules from the old testament?
November 11, 20222 yr 3 hours ago, EagleVA said: Here's the story, the title "God" is very generic. Often you'll hear someone say I believe in God but I can't believe in a God that orders the killing of every man, woman, and child from a group of people or I can't believe in a God that does this or that......these people are defining imaginary Gods of their liking. So Darwin's God isn't the God of the Bible, namely Yahuwah, because of his belief in evolution which contradicts the God of the Bible, no believer in Yahuwah would dare to deny His greatest creation, namely Man, Darwin attributed the existence of Man to random chance. So help yourself in defense of Darwin, as for me, I see a man who's led millions away from Yahuwah and I'll never defend him for that alone. Sounds pretty judgemental for a mortal if you ask me.
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