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What is going on with the run defense?  Getting gashed for 5+ yards on run plays, especially in the beginning of the game is very disturbing.  No trying to be Captain obvious but the run defense is this teams Achilles heel. I'm sure Davis coming back will help but something doesn't feel right about pinning hopes on a rookie, no matter how good he is. Maybe the rookie will comeback and create some "competition" on the DL.  

Also, not seeing the linebackers making plays like they were earlier in the year.  I swear it's like watching last years defense all over.  Even the defensive backfield giving up a lot of 3rd and longs with WRs running wide open.  Maybe they are coasting a bit with the record they have and the schedule they have.  Saving themselves for the 2 Giants and Cowboys games??  Super frustrating.

16 minutes ago, eagle3john99 said:

What is going on with the run defense?  Getting gashed for 5+ yards on run plays, especially in the beginning of the game is very disturbing.  No trying to be Captain obvious but the run defense is this teams Achilles heel.

The run defense has been horrible for 5+ years, the only time it may look good is if the opponent falls behind and abandon the run game. 

The impact of Suh and Joseph quickly fizzled out.  Hopefully Davis returns soon and helps.  But overall, our DL is OLD, gets moved easily in the run game and doesn't generate any pressure with a 4 man rush.  The secondary is susceptible to crossers, for sure.

Last night particularly, the Defense had to defend 50 yards of field, due to the ST's failures. The Eagles/FO/Howie have shown loyalty to players who although good in their time/prime, have aged and not been replenished with adequate replacements. All in the name of keeping the "window of opportunity" open.  

My observation from last night's Packers game was the Eagles defensive front were attacking the line of scrimmage. I thought they did a pretty good job running into the backfield creating pressure. The Packers did a good job scheming around this; it created some lanes the Packers could run into. The defense can't always do both simultaneous: creating havoc in the backfield while staying back respecting the running lanes. And they give up extra yards on each play while stripping the ball instead of tackling the guy down.

1 hour ago, EagleVA said:

The run defense has been horrible for 5+ years, the only time it may look good is if the opponent falls behind and abandon the run game. 

What? Run defense was great under Schwartz for majority of his tenure here

Still waiting for kyzir white to make a play ...

8 minutes ago, toolg said:

My observation from last night's Packers game was the Eagles defensive front were attacking the line of scrimmage. I thought they did a pretty good job running into the backfield creating pressure. The Packers did a good job scheming around this; it created some lanes the Packers could run into. The defense can't always do both simultaneous: creating havoc in the backfield while staying back respecting the running lanes. And they give up extra yards on each play while stripping the ball instead of tackling the guy down.

Pack also ran misdirection plays for the over aggression of pursuit. 

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19 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

No one cares about a rush defense and we shouldnt either. 

Big pass plays are what kill you in this league. 

Between holding calls, or one slip up and getting behind the chains a rushing attack is almost non existant in this league. 

 

Tell this to the Packers....

I thought this was quite concerning. Watching live, I thought on several plays Linval Joseph was pushed 5 yards down from the scrimmage. Granted he was double blocked on few of those plays but then again NT is supposed to eat those blocks

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

What? Run defense was great under Schwartz for majority of his tenure here

I'm glad you think so, I sure as hell don't.

48 minutes ago, eagle3john99 said:

Tell this to the Packers....

Yeah, I can't believe the perspective some fans have.

4 hours ago, seengreen said:

Last night particularly, the Defense had to defend 50 yards of field, due to the ST's failures. The Eagles/FO/Howie have shown loyalty to players who although good in their time/prime, have aged and not been replenished with adequate replacements. All in the name of keeping the "window of opportunity" open.  

Agreed. I'm a big fan of Fletcher Cox, but it's time to move on after this season. He did have two TFLs and a sack last night, but those kinds of performances from him don't happen consistently anymore. Howie needs to focus on rebuilding the DL. Hopefully the Saints pick ends up in the top 5.

Hoping Dillion doesn’t make "Angry runs” on GMF.

4 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

No one cares about a rush defense and we shouldnt either. 

Big pass plays are what kill you in this league. 

Between holding calls, or one slip up and getting behind the chains a rushing attack is almost non existant in this league. 

 

Teams are getting gashed in the run game this year because offenses pivoted. Defenses went to smaller personnel on the field the majority of games the last few years due to rule changes opening up the passing games. And teams needed to defend the pass. Well the pendulum has swung back the other direction finally starting this year. Many teams are running a lot more effectively and going after all the defenses in the league that feature smaller personnel the majority of the time.

Teams will adjust and then passing will pick up again.

Suh and Joseph are probably not quite in football shape yet, and we have Jordan Davis coming back.  Yeah, the run defense has not been great, but I am not too terribly worried about it ... yet.

I dunno but in general, it seemed to me outside of the Washington game, when we had to stop the run we were able to. Ie like last week in Indy.

Seems like Siri and Gannon plan the defense differently each week. If we are facing a great QB then they will focus on shutting down the passing game and in those games our run defense will suffer and vice versa. 

4 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

I dunno but in general, it seemed to me outside of the Washington game, when we had to stop the run we were able to. Ie like last week in Indy.

Seems like Siri and Gannon plan the defense differently each week. If we are facing a great QB then they will focus on shutting down the passing game and in those games our run defense will suffer and vice versa. 

I admit the Packers have a good running game with Jones, Dillon, and a good offensive line. The Eagles defense gameplan seemed to be crash the LOS and create havoc, to force them to make mistakes. The Eagles were able to force turnovers and get some sacks, but the Packers were able to adjust and run right at them. The Eagles executed but the Packers were able to counter. Fortunately the Eagles on offense were able to run the ball even better, so they won the game. We'd be talking about them differently today if the offense struggled.

  • In training camp: "We don't tackle to the ground."
  • During the season: "We don't tackle."

People tend to brush this off but once the playoffs arrive, our likely opponents are going to be the Giants, 49ers and Cowboys ,in whatever order depending on seeding, all three of whom have tremendously explosive running attacks. The Vikings are no slouch either. 

I don’t think personnel is the issue  It’s coaching and scheme. Seems like none of our guys can ever be unblocked. Just looks like we line our guys up to go crash head on into the blocker instead of trying to clog gaps or create double teams. Opponents seem to be getting a hat on a hat every single running play.

 

This 5 man line crap needs to go. Use 4 DL. Between Suh, Linvall and Cox, surely some combination can physically handle blockers and let the 3 LB come up and shoot gaps or tackle runners for minimal gains  

 

Not likening the poor effort on pass rush and def not enjoying DBs getting shed like a bird flying into a windshield. The first few games of the season felt different to me and now we’re back to sitting 10 yards off the line with soft coverage and no Qb rush. 

I think the reason is that Gannon sells out to stop the pass. So he doesn't load the box to stop the run. He doesn't seem to trust his secondary (which is really really good) enough so he drops 7 in to coverage most the time. 

I also don't think the DL is very good against the run. Hargrave is great at getting after the passer but not very good against the run. Cox is getting older and isn't the same player he was. Reddick is great but I'm not sure he's so good against the run. BG is also getting older. 

And another big issue is tackling. Every week we watch players run through tackles or gain extra yards after contact. Our team just isn't very good at tackling and that's not going to change I don't think. 

The Eagles run defense gets another test this week against the Titans. Henry isn't easy to bring down and the Eagles aren't great at tackling. 

The run d was awful yet again and the pass d wasn’t much better.

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