Posted December 8, 20223 yr https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11510723/Philly-gas-station-owner-hires-security-guards-armed-AR-15s-dressed-kevlar-vests.html Reminds me of when I went to Delhi. I never worried about the armed guards.
December 8, 20223 yr The gradual third worldification is upon us. Brazil, South Africa, this is our future. It’ll take a couple generations to fully manifest, but it’s coming. Some will be wealthy enough to live in gated communities with armed paramilitary security, but most will be forced to live in neo-American favelas.
December 8, 20223 yr Author 56 minutes ago, TEW said: The gradual third worldification is upon us. Brazil, South Africa, this is our future. It’ll take a couple generations to fully manifest, but it’s coming. Some will be wealthy enough to live in gated communities with armed paramilitary security, but most will be forced to live in neo-American favelas. Perhaps, but I see this move as a positive step. Chicago was already a third world city. There's always going to be some areas of any country where things are just crazy 8 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I guess someone was sad the Wawa thread dropped off the front page. Sorry for being lazy and not checking...
December 8, 20223 yr It is a shame that those people in blue and black uniforms that have that job for the whole city show little interest in actually doing the job, and those in charge seem to care little about the state of the city.
December 8, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Perhaps, but I see this move as a positive step. Chicago was already a third world city. There's always going to be some areas of any country where things are just crazy Your mistake is thinking this is the solution rather than yet another incremental step in decline. It will get worse. A lot worse.
December 8, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Toastrel said: It is a shame that those people in blue and black uniforms that have that job for the whole city show little interest in actually doing the job, and those in charge seem to care little about the state of the city. The police have their hands tied by leadership. ”Fixing things” would require the brute force of the state, which no major city’s population is willing to endorse. Thats the dilemma. You need to start throwing people in jail, in large numbers, for a long time, to fix things.
December 8, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, TEW said: The police have their hands tied by leadership. ”Fixing things” would require the brute force of the state, which no major city’s population is willing to endorse. Thats the dilemma. You need to start throwing people in jail, in large numbers, for a long time, to fix things. 1. Parents don't want to parent, as that is hard work. That is the big problem. 2. We have thousands of laws that never get enforced, or are enforced in a joke-like manner. Each of those waste of space laws weakens all other laws. It starts at the top. Congress dewshberries commit crimes and are not meaningfully punished.
December 8, 20223 yr Author 12 minutes ago, TEW said: The police have their hands tied by leadership. ”Fixing things” would require the brute force of the state, which no major city’s population is willing to endorse. Thats the dilemma. You need to start throwing people in jail, in large numbers, for a long time, to fix things. That sounds expensive...brute force, prisons, cost money...cut off the welfare, cut the taxes. Then the culture changes with guys like this gas station owner taking matters into his own hands
December 8, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, TEW said: The police have their hands tied by leadership. ”Fixing things” would require the brute force of the state, which no major city’s population is willing to endorse. Thats the dilemma. You need to start throwing people in jail, in large numbers, for a long time, to fix things. We have the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world already. Definition of insanity etc etc.
December 8, 20223 yr 30 minutes ago, TEW said: The police have their hands tied by leadership. ”Fixing things” would require the brute force of the state, which no major city’s population is willing to endorse. Thats the dilemma. You need to start throwing people in jail, in large numbers, for a long time, to fix things. Lol, this is insane. "Brute force of the state." Easy there...your fascism is showing. Since "no major city's population is willing to endorse it," then that's how it should be. That's how it works in a republic: If they people don't want it, then they don't have to have it. Militarized, top-heavy police forces with bloated budgets clearly aren't the answer. Who knows, maybe communities policing themselves would actually work out a little better. Crazy? Maybe, but it's worth trying something different than the current dystopian police state that we've been instituting for the last half century. As to the last part, the United States has the highest rate of incarceration of any other country in the world. But yeah, locking more people up...that'll solve the problem
December 8, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Lol, this is insane. "Brute force of the state." Easy there...your fascism is showing. Since "no major city's population is willing to endorse it," then that's how it should be. That's how it works in a republic: If they people don't want it, then they don't have to have it. Militarized, top-heavy police forces with bloated budgets clearly aren't the answer. Who knows, maybe communities policing themselves would actually work out a little better. Crazy? Maybe, but it's worth trying something different than the current dystopian police state that we've been instituting for the last half century. As to the last part, the United States has the highest rate of incarceration of any other country in the world. But yeah, locking more people up...that'll solve the problem It’s not fascism, it’s just reality. You want crime to go down? You have to vigorously prosecute criminals, put them in chains, and throw them behind bars, for a long time. You do that at a broad level and for a long time, then crime goes down. No, in a Republic, law trumps man. This is democracy, where popular opinion rules over law. Laws on the books are currently ignored or discarded for political expediency. That, again, is not republicanism. If you think that’s a good thing, fine, but don’t put this on Republicanism. Militarized police forces? That’s a choice, and how they’re deployed is a choice. The more force you apply, the more effective the suppression of crime will be, but also the more innocents might get caught in the wave of force. There is no utopia where this balance doesn’t exist. The trick is balancing it in an optimal way. Clearly, with the uptick in crime, our current standards are suboptimal. Yes, the US has very high incarceration rates. That is because of a few reasons. Mainly, our police force is more effective than any other and our demographics are unlike any other first world country. Yes, locking more people up for longer would absolutely bring crime rates down. That’s a fact. And it’s no coincidence that the nation’s recent blasé attitude towards crime has coincided with a massive uptick in… crime.
December 8, 20223 yr 25 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: We have the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world already. Definition of insanity etc etc. Certainly we have some crimes on the books that I’d do away with. But that said, our incarceration rate is basically a reflection of our law enforcement competency combined with our demographics. 35 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: That sounds expensive...brute force, prisons, cost money...cut off the welfare, cut the taxes. Then the culture changes with guys like this gas station owner taking matters into his own hands Absolutely, state power is incredibly expensive.
December 8, 20223 yr "The world has gone to ish, we had it so much better when we were kids!" https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/10/31/violent-crime-is-a-key-midterm-voting-issue-but-what-does-the-data-say/ Reported violent crime rate in the United States from 1990 to 2021(per 100,000 of the population) https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
December 8, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: "The world has gone to ish, we had it so much better when we were kids!" https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/10/31/violent-crime-is-a-key-midterm-voting-issue-but-what-does-the-data-say/ Reported violent crime rate in the United States from 1990 to 2021(per 100,000 of the population) https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/ So you are saying that violent crimes are not up but that the national reporting of violent crimes is up? It is almost like a group of people are trying to sway the public's thought process by carefully issuing articles worded to incite fear. Very odd.
December 8, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, TEW said: Yes, the US has very high incarceration rates. That is because of a few reasons. Mainly, our police force is more effective than any other and our demographics are unlike any other first world country.
December 8, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, TEW said: Certainly we have some crimes on the books that I’d do away with. But that said, our incarceration rate is basically a reflection of our law enforcement competency combined with our demographics. Absolutely, state power is incredibly expensive. What about our demographics make us more prone to crime?
December 8, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, pallidrone said: So you are saying that violent crimes are not up but that the national reporting of violent crimes is up? It is almost like a group of people are trying to sway the public's thought process by carefully issuing articles worded to incite fear. Very odd. I'm saying violent crime is still a fraction of what it was two to three decades ago. Much like all the queefing about supply chain issues, inflation, labor shortages, etc, the problems caused by the pandemic won't disappear instantly. It will take time, but I fully expect a regression toward the pre-pandemic mean. I know that's not a view shared by the chicken littles of the world who keep proclaiming we are doomed to become a third world country, but that's mostly because they're stupid, bitter, damaged people who can't stand the sight of their team being on the losing end of elections.
December 8, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: What about our demographics make us more prone to crime? lmao liberals and crime demographics discussion. Should be productive and not result in people wetting themselves.
December 8, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: What about our demographics make us more prone to crime? "Too many brown people! They have the warrior gene that makes them predisposed to committing crime! Oh and they're stupid... They couldn't even build two story buildings!" - a totally sane, and not at all racist person
December 8, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: lmao liberals and crime demographics discussion. Should be productive and not result in people wetting themselves. You're back! Your mom finally paid the wireless bill huh?
December 8, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, TEW said: Yes, locking more people up for longer would absolutely bring crime rates down. That’s a fact. And it’s no coincidence that the nation’s recent blasé attitude towards crime has coincided with a massive uptick in… crime. So, wait...you're taking the side of "crime is really bad right now" while also acknowledging that we have a very high incarceration rate, which has been increasing precipitously over the last 30 years or so. So, we've been locking more people up, but inner-city crime has only gotten worse in your mind. In which case, the facts do not support your assertion that the situation would be ameliorated by continuing or accelerating our tendency to lock as many people up as possible.
December 8, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: "The world has gone to ish, we had it so much better when we were kids!" https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/10/31/violent-crime-is-a-key-midterm-voting-issue-but-what-does-the-data-say/ Reported violent crime rate in the United States from 1990 to 2021(per 100,000 of the population) https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/ LOL… LMFAO even… Cant wait for the FBI statistics to come out for 2022!
December 8, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, DEagle7 said: You're back! Your mom finally paid the wireless bill huh? I paid his bill for him, after he begged for several days.
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