December 9, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, vikas83 said: There's a law against that. There isn't one against preaching to morons. If there were, a lot more than Fox News would be gone. Right, and there shouldn't be for right wing opinion shows. But it's disgusting and damaging regardless.
December 9, 20223 yr It sucks that Whelan is imprisoned in Russia. They are scum who just want to F with America. I doubt Whelan was a spy. Seems like he's more of a regular criminal scam turd. I don't think Bout Griner is a good trade, but happy one less American is being held by commie pig Fers.
December 9, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, 20dawk4life said: I’m not confusing anything. Putin clearly valued the terrorist enough to not throw him, the marine, in with Griner. We had what he wanted, in the terrorist, and couldn’t use him to get back someone who took weed through an airport. Terrorist vs Weed? Which crime is worse? Who had the upper hand? Well duh Then you need to be careful in your framing because multiple people assumed you were referring to Griner and Whelan's value to us, not to Putin. Obviously Whelan is going to be more valuable to Putin, but the death of Griner in Russian custody would've made far bigger headlines than the same thing happening to Whelan (assuming he was guilty and acting on his own.) Not just for her notoriety, but for the levels of guilt associated with each crime as well.
December 9, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, vikas83 said: It just takes it completely off the table for 2024. People have no long-term memory. If she were still in jail, it could have been an issue. Or worse, if she becomes suicidal / ill / is tortured / etc
December 9, 20223 yr Don't violate foreign laws. If you vape, find out what the laws are before you bring THC.
December 9, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: Why would I be near you? I don't visit glory holes. You are the Truck Stop Glory Hole.
December 9, 20223 yr Another first tweet ever about Whelan. It is almost like they never knew he existed.
December 9, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Another first tweet ever about Whelan. It is almost like they never knew he existed. I'll say it again: Bo Bergdal. A dishonorably discharged service member. Obama got him back and was blasted for it for months. Literally it's all the right talked about forever, how he was a traitor and we should've let him rot. Anything that comes out of the right's mouth when it comes to "deals" is complete and utter horsesheet.
December 9, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I think it's also a political miscalculation. The cost of not taking this deal was pretty low, but even among the lefties who wanted to get Griner home all I'm seeing is that we way overpaid so to speak. Biden comes out looking worse all around IMHO. Good for Griner and her family for sure. Glad to have her home. I disagree a bit regarding the political cost of not making the deal. There was a growing sentiment that if a white pro athlete had been a political prisoner, it would have received far greater media coverage and the administration would have been more aggressive trying to get them released. Fair or not, that sentiment was going to continue to grow the longer Griner was there. Biden and democrats need the black voters in their base, especially women, to continue to turn out for them almost exclusively and in high numbers. The administration was never going to risk this becoming an issue that hurts them with their base. Doing the deal he made, most people willing to vote dem are at worst seeing this as an unsavory but appropriate act. The loudest critics would be screaming the same way if Biden went into public forgetting to zip his zipper. It's childish political reactionary nonsense and most people outside the cult see it for what it is. Hence the most recent election results.
December 9, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: Then you need to be careful in your framing because multiple people assumed you were referring to Griner and Whelan's value to us, not to Putin. Obviously Whelan is going to be more valuable to Putin, but the death of Griner in Russian custody would've made far bigger headlines than the same thing happening to Whelan (assuming he was guilty and acting on his own.) Not just for her notoriety, but for the levels of guilt associated with each crime as well. Griner had less value to us overall than Bout. She also had less value to Russia than Bout. She’s a nobody in the grand scheme of things. She plays a sport no one watches. He kills people. He’s more inline with Whalen who is accused of espionage. Which one is not like the other: Small amount of weed Gun Trafficking Espionage
December 9, 20223 yr 24 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: Griner had less value to us overall than Bout. She also had less value to Russia than Bout. She’s a nobody in the grand scheme of things. She plays a sport no one watches. He kills people. He’s more inline with Whalen who is accused of espionage. Which one is not like the other: Small amount of weed Gun Trafficking Espionage Politically speaking, a Griner death while in Russian custody would be a disaster. Much more so than Whelan seeing the same fate, or us giving up Bout. It's the absolute worst case scenario here, which is why they wanted to take it off the table. Did they make a bad trade to do so? Yes. But until we find out more details about Whelan's potential guilt (if we ever do) then he's just as much a nobody as she is, if not more.
December 9, 20223 yr 28 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Politically speaking, a Griner death while in Russian custody would be a disaster. Much more so than Whelan seeing the same fate, or us giving up Bout. It's the absolute worst case scenario here, which is why they wanted to take it off the table. Did they make a bad trade to do so? Yes. But until we find out more details about Whelan's potential guilt (if we ever do) then he's just as much a nobody as she is, if not more. Yea neither are worth Bout. Together maybe. Probably still not. He out weights damn near everyone and keeping him in jail should have been priority.
December 9, 20223 yr 29 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: Yea neither are worth Bout. Together maybe. Probably still not. He out weights damn near everyone and keeping him in jail should have been priority. Wasn’t he going to be released in a few years anyway?
December 9, 20223 yr 25 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Wasn’t he going to be released in a few years anyway? A couple years before her sentence would be up.
December 12, 20223 yr Where was the Republican outrage? https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-turned-down-deal-004045706.html Trump says he turned down deal to release Paul Whelan Former President Trump on Sunday said he turned down a deal to release former U.S. Marine Paul Whelan, who’s been detained by Moscow since 2018, in exchange for Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout during his time in the White House. "I turned down a deal with Russia for a one on one swap of the so-called Merchant of Death for Paul Whelan. I wouldn’t have made the deal for a hundred people in exchange for someone that has killed untold numbers of people with his arms deals,” Trump said on Truth Social. Bout was released last week in exchange for WNBA star Brittney Griner, who spent about 10 months in Russian custody. Trump criticized the deal soon after news broke of Griner’s release, saying Whelan should have been freed instead. The Biden administration has said Russia was unwilling to include Whelan in a swap for Bout. Trump said Sunday that, although he turned down the deal with Moscow, he "would have gotten Paul out,” though didn’t explain why he wasn’t able to do so. "The deal for Griner is crazy and bad. The taking wouldn’t have even happened during my Administration, but if it did, I would have gotten her out , fast!” Trump said. Former Trump White House national security official Fiona Hill said Sunday that the deal to swap Bout for Whelan was a possibility while Trump was in office. "At the particular time, I also have to say here that President Trump wasn’t especially interested in engaging in that swap for also Paul Whelan. He was not particularly interested in Paul’s case in the way that one would have thought he would be,” Hill said on CBS’s "Face the Nation” with Margaret Brennan. David Whelan, Paul Whelan’s brother, has also accused the Trump administration of not appearing "interested in” the case. "I think the first two years, partly I think the Trump administration was not prepared to or not interested in working on wrongful detention cases,” David Whelan said Saturday on MSNBC. "The Biden administration is much more engaged in wrongful detentions,” he added.
December 12, 20223 yr On 12/8/2022 at 9:26 AM, paco said: This topic title Well what would you call someone who supplied the weapons and ammo that African warlords used to slaughter tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of African civilians over the course of his lucrative career? Who was convicted of ^conspiring to kill Americans, acquiring and exporting anti-aircraft missiles, providing material support to a terrorist organization"
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