January 11, 20232 yr 20 hours ago, downundermike said: You want to make an avatar bet on it ?? I'm beyond avatar bets. I'm just extremely confident that the Eagles are sold on Hurts and will be making it a priority to extend him in the off-season. We don't want a Lamar situation.
January 11, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, ManchesterEagle said: I'm beyond avatar bets. I'm just extremely confident that the Eagles are sold on Hurts and will be making it a priority to extend him in the off-season. We don't want a Lamar situation. And the Ravens played that correctly. Prove it, and stay healthy, and he did not.
January 11, 20232 yr 16 hours ago, JournalistMic said: Jalen Hurts signed a 4 year, $6,025,171 contract with the Philadelphia Eagles, including a $1,941,944 signing bonus, $2,825,815 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $1,506,293. Isn't it funny that after one great season we are talking about not having enough money to sign QB Jalen Hurts, and some wonder if he's the Eagles MVP. The funny part is that people don't get that it will be an extension. So next year Hurts is crazy cheap again. The year after the big extension kicks in, with another year of rising cap. Include the usual restructures and I assume we'll be fine. Top three resigns: Bradberry, CJGJ and Hargrave.
January 11, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, Infam said: The funny part is that people don't get that it will be an extension. So next year Hurts is crazy cheap again. The year after the big extension kicks in, with another year of rising cap. Include the usual restructures and I assume we'll be fine. Top three resigns: Bradberry, CJGJ and Hargrave. We currently do not have the cap space for those guys, and a top 10 pick. I am not saying Howie can not create the space, but at what expense. Let's say Hurts gets the deal, but the team is lesser next year ( which it most likely will be ) and we go 11-6 and are a wild card team, thus proving Hurts needs a great team, and can not carry a very good team. What does this team look like when his extension years are here and the team is stuck in the 11-6/9-8 range. Is everyone then going to complain about Howie and not putting a good enough team around Hurts ??
January 11, 20232 yr 20 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said: Give it up Mike. The only way they don’t sign Hurts is if he demands a stupid/ fully guaranteed contract. They will want to get him locked up before the contract becomes a distraction. The injuries have been minor. I expect Howie to make sure we have some outs in the contract in any event. He will still have Brown, Smith, Goedert and most of his line. How different do you expect him to look? Aren't fully guaranteed contracts the new trend for QBs? Lamar is also representing himself since he has no agent It wouldn't surprise me if Hurts and his agent ask for a fully guaranteed contract
January 11, 20232 yr Am I missing something with Hargrave? He won't become a free agent unless Howie voids his contract that's set to pay him 11+ million, which is a steal. So why is it expected that Howie will void his deal or others if they already apply against the 2023 cap?
January 11, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Slade said: Am I missing something with Hargrave? He won't become a free agent unless Howie voids his contract that's set to pay him 11+ million, which is a steal. So why is it expected that Howie will void his deal or others if they already apply against the 2023 cap? He is a free agent after this year. That cap number is just the rest of his void years from the restructure.
January 11, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, downundermike said: And the Ravens played that correctly. Prove it, and stay healthy, and he did not. Well we will see. Watson's fully guaranteed contract has caused some issues, but hopefully it won't become the norm. Ravens were reportedly only offering Lamar 130 million guaranteed which is low balling him.
January 11, 20232 yr 32 minutes ago, downundermike said: We currently do not have the cap space for those guys, and a top 10 pick. I am not saying Howie can not create the space, but at what expense. Let's say Hurts gets the deal, but the team is lesser next year ( which it most likely will be ) and we go 11-6 and are a wild card team, thus proving Hurts needs a great team, and can not carry a very good team. What does this team look like when his extension years are here and the team is stuck in the 11-6/9-8 range. Is everyone then going to complain about Howie and not putting a good enough team around Hurts ?? It's either pay a QB (as cheaply as possible) or possibly be stuck with a Wentz or Minshew. 25 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: Aren't fully guaranteed contracts the new trend for QBs? Lamar is also representing himself since he has no agent It wouldn't surprise me if Hurts and his agent ask for a fully guaranteed contract Apparently, Lamar's mom represent him. Browns gave Watson a fully guaranteed contract because they were desperate for a QB. I don't think Ravens nor Eagles are desperate enough to do that. Owners and GMs need to say no to fully guaranteed contracts. If Lamar insists on a fully guaranteed contact, tag him, and if he sits out, he doesn't get paid.
January 11, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, downundermike said: We currently do not have the cap space for those guys, and a top 10 pick. I am not saying Howie can not create the space, but at what expense. Let's say Hurts gets the deal, but the team is lesser next year ( which it most likely will be ) and we go 11-6 and are a wild card team, thus proving Hurts needs a great team, and can not carry a very good team. What does this team look like when his extension years are here and the team is stuck in the 11-6/9-8 range. Is everyone then going to complain about Howie and not putting a good enough team around Hurts ?? Quarterback contracts are another discussion. But how many division winners don’t have either top tier or highly paid QBs? The 49ers and that’s it. So the alternative is not good. Hurts has been elite this year. Teams would give up high draft picks for him as well as pay him a boat load of money. The Eagles are going to try and extend him.
January 11, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, gameshowfan91 said: It's either pay a QB (as cheaply as possible) or possibly be stuck with a Wentz or Minshew. Apparently, Lamar's mom represent him. Browns gave Watson a fully guaranteed contract because they were desperate for a QB. I don't think Ravens nor Eagles are desperate enough to do that. Owners and GMs need to say no to fully guaranteed contracts. If Lamar insists on a fully guaranteed contact, tag him, and if he sits out, he doesn't get paid. Didn't know his mom is his agent. The recent tweets about his contract have only ever said he represents himself
January 12, 20232 yr 13 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: That's how the QB market works, it's how it's worked since the Rookie cap came in. If we won't pay him someone else will. 2022 Salaries for QBs Matt Strafford (RAMS) $61.5 Million per year Russell Wilson (BRONCOS) $57 Million per year. Josh Allen (BILS) $46.9 Million per year. DeShaun Watson (BROWNS) $46 Million per year. Aaron Rodgers (PACKERS) $42 Million per year. Kirk Cousins (VIKINGS) $40 Million per year. Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs) $ 29 Million per year. -Source Rory Robinson - Boardroom Sep 24, 2022 -------------------------------------- I assume the range is $20 to $65 million per year, and how much depends on how Jalen Hurts performs in this post season. If he wins the Eagles the Super Bowl I'm sure he's going to be getting the higher range, but the Eagles usually pay what the player is worth in most cases compared to other NFL teams.
January 12, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, Infam said: The funny part is that people don't get that it will be an extension. So next year Hurts is crazy cheap again. The year after the big extension kicks in, with another year of rising cap. Include the usual restructures and I assume we'll be fine. Top three resigns: Bradberry, CJGJ and Hargrave. Rumor is that Bradberry will sign a 51 million three year contract but maybe he checks the free agency market for more, ( I think this also depends on how he plays in the Post Season and if the Eagles win the Super Bowl). For example if he gets two pick twos in the Super Bowl, he's probably going to want more money.
January 12, 20232 yr 20 hours ago, eggs said: Jalen Hurts will not hold out or push for the maximum deal. He is a team player and a leader who will do what is right for the team. Of course that will be a top 5-10 QB contract, but it will be a long term deal that will spread the money over a number of years so Howie will have flexibility to field an elite team. As Eagle fans we all would like to think this ... but players for the most part just let their agents handle the money stuff and the agent's best interest is to make sure their clients get the best deal possible. Jalen himself would likely have very little involvement in the process. I'm keeping an eye on what happens to Raven's QB Lamar Jackson this offseason as Jalen's contract may mirror his quite a bit.
January 12, 20232 yr 15 hours ago, nipples said: There is little to no chance that they go into next season without extending Hurts. Honestly I don’t know if they will and it’s not because of some injury crap. We have seen them do that with a different guy who had far worse injuries than Hurts. That’s just haters grabbing for straws there. There is a possibility of the Eagles deciding to wait to see if Jalen is legit or if he’s a one year wonder like Wentz. I could see the Eagles getting a deal done during the season (because Hurts is still proving his worth) rather than the start of the year. Heck both Goedert and Maddox both got deals and have spent time on the sidelines due to injuries. I also believe both players got deals during the season as well so there is a precedence for Howie both wait and pay guys who have been injured before.
January 12, 20232 yr On 1/10/2023 at 1:31 PM, Rob331 said: I know - they in a playoff bttle to get to the Super Bowl and here I am thinking about next year. I wouldn't be but I think we're going to have a real problem having a successful year. "Why?", you say - well here's the list of interrelated problems Howis is facing. We have about $12M in cap space including this year's carryover We have to sign our quarterback and it's going to be a mega-deal which will eat up that cap space. Of our 17 free agents (not counting Suh and Joseph) 11 are starters - Sanders, Kelce, Seumalo, Cox, Hargrave, BG, White, Edwards, Epps, CGJ, and Lovato. We only have replacements ofr 3 of those starters on the roster - Dean fo one of the LB's, Blankenship for one of the Safeties, and Jurgens for Kelce. The other free agents are backups - Minshew, Scott, Dillard, Pascal, and Ward. They will all need to be replaced along with the three backup positions above. The cap situation means few or no free agents including our own, meaning we have to rely on the draft BUT, We only have 6 draft picks and 2 of those are in the 7th round. The high priced guys still here (Johnson and Slay) have already been restructured Howie is good and maybe even great, but the deck is stacked against him here. What would you do? Weren't they like 40+ million over this time last year? It will be fine. Howie has had lots of time to think about what to do.
January 12, 20232 yr It will be very interesting to see what the Eagles will do if they are one and done again in the playoffs with Jalen having a subpar game....
January 12, 20232 yr 32 minutes ago, opa-opa said: It will be very interesting to see what the Eagles will do if they are one and done again in the playoffs with Jalen having a subpar game.... They'll probably still give him a contract but it'll be an interesting one for sure. The problem they'll have is if Hurts has a bad play off appearance then how do you pay him and build a roster good enough to go back and contend?
January 12, 20232 yr 8 hours ago, JournalistMic said: 2022 Salaries for QBs Matt Strafford (RAMS) $61.5 Million per year Russell Wilson (BRONCOS) $57 Million per year. Josh Allen (BILS) $46.9 Million per year. DeShaun Watson (BROWNS) $46 Million per year. Aaron Rodgers (PACKERS) $42 Million per year. Kirk Cousins (VIKINGS) $40 Million per year. Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs) $ 29 Million per year. -Source Rory Robinson - Boardroom Sep 24, 2022 -------------------------------------- I assume the range is $20 to $65 million per year, and how much depends on how Jalen Hurts performs in this post season. If he wins the Eagles the Super Bowl I'm sure he's going to be getting the higher range, but the Eagles usually pay what the player is worth in most cases compared to other NFL teams. Why type a list of 2022 QB Salaries that are all wrong? Then a range of salaries that starts 50% lower than any of the wrong salaries you posted? Are you somebody's alt doing a bit of fishing?
January 12, 20232 yr Author On 1/10/2023 at 4:20 PM, downundermike said: No, we don't. And based on an injury two years in a row, and only one year of this success, they will make him play out his contract. I hear you but I just don't agree DUM. That would look too much like a Lamar Jackson situation and note Lamar isn't anxious to play in the Ravens playoff game. People speculate it's because he didn't get his contract extened and sure don't want to be in that kind of situation - can you imagine the Philadelphia media and fans having Hurts go into his free agent year.
January 12, 20232 yr Author On 1/10/2023 at 5:18 PM, JournalistMic said: Pay them under the table? Bad joke. The problem of all Super Bowl teams failure to repeat is usually due to losing players and coaches after their success. A tale as old as time, but better to have that problem than not to have a team with a strong possibility of winning the Super Bowl this season. The Philadelphia Eagles have to secure the premium positions of players that have proven themselves that starts with the QB (but due to the incredibly high salary they will probably have to let a few players go to keep Jalen Hurts on the roster or franchise tag him). Then we can look at LT, CB- To my understanding they are in the process of signing CB James Bradberry to a 3 year $51 million contract. Backup Left Tackle Andre Dillard is up for contract but how many fans want to spend big money on a backup? Then QB Gardner Minshew many would say we should sign him until they watched his last two games now it's hard pressed to find Minshew mania fan base. I expect he'll be a backup for another NFL team next season, enjoy the ring Garnder. Then on Defense we have DT Fletcher Cox (7 sacks) whom was cut only to be resigned this season but has he done enough to warrant another big salary contract? DT Javon Hargrave (11 sacks) has to be signed is most fans thoughts but he only has four more sacks than Fletcher is it simply because of Cox's age or salary that has most fans wanting to move on from Fletcher but not Javon. Then into less than premium positions such as LB TJ Edwards whom even since college has never had below eighty tackles in a season ever. He's played so well, that LB Dean has barely played at all this season. How much is MILB that specializes in tackles worth? Then after making the Pro Bowl how much would you be willing to pay HB Miles Sanders? Will Center Kelce play another season and if so no question you pay that man and give him free beer for life! Then Guard Issac do you let him test Free Agency waters or do you sign him? So do you think they ar ein a bit of trouble next year or not?
January 12, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Rob331 said: I hear you but I just don't agree DUM. That would look too much like a Lamar Jackson situation and note Lamar isn't anxious to play in the Ravens playoff game. People speculate it's because he didn't get his contract extened and sure don't want to be in that kind of situation - can you imagine the Philadelphia media and fans having Hurts go into his free agent year. And looking at the end result, the Ravens have played this situation perfectly. Missed 5 games last year, so the Ravens had concerns, and those were justified with him missing 5 more games this year. His completion percentage has gone down every year since his MVP year, and his interception % regressed horribly the two years after his MVP year.
January 12, 20232 yr Author On 1/10/2023 at 6:29 PM, EagleVA said: He's good/great of spending Lurie's money to hide his drafting mistakes. I can always count on you my friend. Does that make you a hater?
January 12, 20232 yr Not worried about next year. I'm not even worried about tomorrow. All we have it today- nothing is guaranteed beyond that. Plus, Philly will be in Super Bowl hangover mode for a year. Would you rather go to the big party, win it and have a hangover, or not go to the party at all and NOT have a hangover. Sometimes the price of a Super Bowl is you have to pay for it the next year. Not always, but sometimes. Sometimes, you get through it and keep on winning. The Patriots had the hangover cure. The Eagles need to steal it, just like the Patriots stole games. 😂
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