February 16, 20232 yr 12 hours ago, TEW said: Yeah, I’m sure the response would be totally the same in any of the countless sh**holes that are blue and black instead of red and white. Great take! 19 hours ago, Toastrel said: i have not called him back. You scrolled right by that like he didn't even say it, didn't you?
February 16, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, brkmsn said: Let me get this straight, you are suggesting that once an axle breaks due to a wheel bearing failure, the ECP brakes will kick in and prevent this tragedy? lol Let me ask you, since you have clearly been conducting the investigation ... did this train have ECP brakes or not? Yeah, ECP brakes on all the other cars, where the bearing didn't fail and the axle didn't break would help the train come to a stop. Here's an Idea, let's not make any improvements, keep the trains as is, save the train companies millions and just proceed ahead, as if nothing happened.
February 16, 20232 yr Another train derailment in Michigan. Reportedly another Norfolk Southern train carrying chemicals, although the car carrying hazardous material was not compromised.
February 16, 20232 yr 2015 Train Crashes. It's more common that I thought. 16 February – United States – 2015 Mount Carbon train derailment - A CSX freight train derails in West Virginia. A broken rail caused nineteen Bakken crude oil tank cars to catch fire, with over 1,100 people evacuated from their homes nearby.[307] 24 February – United States – 2015 Oxnard train derailment: A Metrolink train hits a road vehicle at Oxnard, California and derails.[310] The train engineer dies and 29 others are injured. 25 February – United States – A CN freight train traveling from Winnipeg, Manitoba to Superior, Wisconsin derails 25 miles (40 km) northwest of Duluth, Minnesota. Thirteen of the 107 cars in the train derail, some of which contain naphthalene. No injuries or spills were reported.[311][312] 2 March – United States – A Union Pacific train hauling hazardous material derails near Meacham, Oregon; 10 cars jump the tracks in a narrow canyon overlooking Meacham Creek.[313] 5 March – United States – A BNSF oil train derails in a rural area near Galena, Illinois. Twenty-one of the 105 cars, containing Bakken formation crude oil, leave the track and catch fire, which continues to burn. No injuries are reported.[314] 9 March – United States – 2015 Halifax train crash: An Amtrak passenger train collides with a tractor trailer in Halifax, North Carolina. No life-threatening injuries were reported. The accident was caught on video.[318] 15 March – United States – A car ignores warning signals at an open grade crossing in Louisville, Kentucky. A Norfolk Southern freight train with leased locomotives from Union Pacific Railroad crashes into the car with four Bhutanese passengers in it where they were returning from soccer practice. Two passengers sitting on the right side were killed in the crash while two were critically injured and taken to a nearby hospital. The accident was also caught on camera by two railfans.[319][320] 28 March – United States – 2015 Los Angeles train crash: An Expo Line train collides with an automobile at an intersection, injuring 12. 27 April – United States – Several well cars of a Union Pacific train derail off a bridge near Bridge City, Louisiana during a severe storm. The event is caught on tape from a car's dashcam.[327] 28 April - United States - Roswell, New Mexico: Two BNSF trains collide into each other causing both trains to derail; one of the trains nearly falls on its side, 1 person is dead and another is injured.[329] 6 May – United States – A BNSF train derails near Heimdal, North Dakota, which ignites a crude oil fire in six tanker cars and forces the evacuation of approximately 40 nearby residents. No injuries or fatalities were reported.[331] Philadelphia. 12 May – United States – 2015 Philadelphia train derailment: Amtrak Northeast Regional No. 188 traveling from Washington, D.C. to New York City derails at high speed while negotiating a curve at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Eight people are killed and more than 200 injured.[332] 13 May – United States – A CSX freight train collides with a MARTA bus in East Point, Georgia that was trapped on a railroad crossing by traffic while stopped at a traffic light. Six people were injured in the wreck. The accident was caught on tape by cameras inside the bus.[333][334] 11 June – United States – Nine cars (and a locomotive) of an 84-car Kansas City Southern freight train derail in Houston, Texas. Two cars fall from the track, with one falling onto a road below. No injuries were reported and no cargo was spilled.[338] 2 July – United States – 2015 Tennessee train derailment: A train carrying hazardous materials goes off of its tracks near Knoxville, Tennessee.[343] 15 July - United States - Sandersville, Washington, two Norfolk Southern trains collide onto each other, four people were injured.[345] 5 October – United States – Amtrak Vermonter #55 strikes rocks on the line and derails near Northfield, Vermont.[354][355] 24 October – United States – A southbound Union Pacific freight train hauling 64 cars of gravel and concrete materials is swept off the tracks by flood waters just north of Corsicana, Texas, after Hurricane Patricia's weak remnants dumped 18 inches of rain on the area over a two-day period. Both crew members were rescued from the flood waters uninjured.[356] 13 November – United States – Five tanker cars on a train carrying crude oil derailed at Norfolk Southern's Abrams Yard in King of Prussia, Pennsylvania.[358] 14 November – United States – A Norfolk Southern freight train collides with a Toyota Camry in Morrisville, North Carolina, near Cary, killing the two elderly passengers of the vehicle.[360]
February 17, 20232 yr 8 hours ago, Toastrel said: Go look it up. You don't believe me. Educate yourself. 5 hours ago, jsdarkstar said: Yeah, ECP brakes on all the other cars, where the bearing didn't fail and the axle didn't break would help the train come to a stop. Here's an Idea, let's not make any improvements, keep the trains as is, save the train companies millions and just proceed ahead, as if nothing happened. ECP brakes don't disconnect the other train cars. Once an axle breaks, the train comes off the tracks and momentum carries it in the direction it was moving until friction from the ground and the train surface dictates what happens next. Brakes on a train are a good thing when the brakes can stop the train before it collides with something on the tracks, but once a derailment happens (either from a faulty train car or a faulty track), the brakes aren't doing crap. You guys are cracking me up, by continuing to go down this rabbit hole. "Educate yourself" is great advice. Maybe look at a train the next time you have to wait on one and see if you can figure out how it works. If you guys still don't get it, this wasn't an accident where brake type would have made a difference. Our fearless transportation secretary either doesn't know anything about trains or is desperately trying to deflect criticism. Like I said earlier, even if this was an accident where a train failed to slow down before a collision (which it was not) and it came down to brake type, this administration has had 2 years to fix something they are accusing the previous administration of breaking. They should probably do their job and if it means being accountable, then take accountability. If they are in over their heads, then they should resign.
February 17, 20232 yr https://www.instagram.com/p/Covu6BjI4PO/ Guess instagram links still don't embed
February 17, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, brkmsn said: ECP brakes don't disconnect the other train cars. Once an axle breaks, the train comes off the tracks and momentum carries it in the direction it was moving until friction from the ground and the train surface dictates what happens next. Brakes on a train are a good thing when the brakes can stop the train before it collides with something on the tracks, but once a derailment happens (either from a faulty train car or a faulty track), the brakes aren't doing crap. You guys are cracking me up, by continuing to go down this rabbit hole. "Educate yourself" is great advice. Maybe look at a train the next time you have to wait on one and see if you can figure out how it works. If you guys still don't get it, this wasn't an accident where brake type would have made a difference. Our fearless transportation secretary either doesn't know anything about trains or is desperately trying to deflect criticism. Like I said earlier, even if this was an accident where a train failed to slow down before a collision (which it was not) and it came down to brake type, this administration has had 2 years to fix something they are accusing the previous administration of breaking. They should probably do their job and if it means being accountable, then take accountability. If they are in over their heads, then they should resign. It takes Congress to pass legislation to fix it, not Pete Buttigieg. Republicans don't want to spend the money to fix the problem. Pretty simple.
February 17, 20232 yr 12 hours ago, brkmsn said: ECP brakes don't disconnect the other train cars. Once an axle breaks, the train comes off the tracks and momentum carries it in the direction it was moving until friction from the ground and the train surface dictates what happens next. Brakes on a train are a good thing when the brakes can stop the train before it collides with something on the tracks, but once a derailment happens (either from a faulty train car or a faulty track), the brakes aren't doing crap. You guys are cracking me up, by continuing to go down this rabbit hole. "Educate yourself" is great advice. Maybe look at a train the next time you have to wait on one and see if you can figure out how it works. If you guys still don't get it, this wasn't an accident where brake type would have made a difference. Our fearless transportation secretary either doesn't know anything about trains or is desperately trying to deflect criticism. Like I said earlier, even if this was an accident where a train failed to slow down before a collision (which it was not) and it came down to brake type, this administration has had 2 years to fix something they are accusing the previous administration of breaking. They should probably do their job and if it means being accountable, then take accountability. If they are in over their heads, then they should resign. Yeah, two wheels coming off means there is no point in quickly applying brakes to all cars in a train to stop MORE cars from derailing. You are free to rail against the Biden admin for not undoing Trump's BS. You are free to queef about the Feds not doing anything, for a GOP governor who REFUSED Fed assistance. Enjoy edit: https://www.brown.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/sherrod-brown-calls-governor-dewine-declare-disaster-seek-federal-government-support-derailment-east-palestine
February 17, 20232 yr 12 hours ago, brkmsn said: ECP brakes don't disconnect the other train cars. Once an axle breaks, the train comes off the tracks and momentum carries it in the direction it was moving until friction from the ground and the train surface dictates what happens next. Brakes on a train are a good thing when the brakes can stop the train before it collides with something on the tracks, but once a derailment happens (either from a faulty train car or a faulty track), the brakes aren't doing crap. You guys are cracking me up, by continuing to go down this rabbit hole. "Educate yourself" is great advice. Maybe look at a train the next time you have to wait on one and see if you can figure out how it works. If you guys still don't get it, this wasn't an accident where brake type would have made a difference. Our fearless transportation secretary either doesn't know anything about trains or is desperately trying to deflect criticism. Like I said earlier, even if this was an accident where a train failed to slow down before a collision (which it was not) and it came down to brake type, this administration has had 2 years to fix something they are accusing the previous administration of breaking. They should probably do their job and if it means being accountable, then take accountability. If they are in over their heads, then they should resign. "Unlike other systems, where brakes are applied sequentially along the length of a train, electronic pneumatic brakes, or ECP, work on all cars simultaneously. That can reduce the distance and time a train needs to stop and can keep some cars from derailing.” "These ECP brakes are very important for oil trains,” rail safety expert Steven Ditmeyer said in 2018 when the regulations were rolled back. "It makes a great deal of sense: All the brakes get applied immediately, and there would be fewer cars in the pileup.” Leave the cult. https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/infrastructure/ecp-brakes-technology-ohio-derailment/amp/
February 17, 20232 yr Why does the GOP governor refuse to declare an emergency, in what looks like the worst such incident in USA history?
February 17, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: Why does the GOP governor refuse to declare an emergency, in what looks like the worst such incident in USA history? To stick it the the Dems. I bet he doesn’t brush his teeth just to pizz off his dentist.
February 17, 20232 yr See all the rainbows? That's how you know it's only a matter of time before the frogs all turn gay.
February 17, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: See all the rainbows? That's how you know it's only a matter of time before the frogs all turn gay. That's what the instagram link was. It's crazy. Also there's no way in hell I'd be that close to that water
February 17, 20232 yr 14 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: See all the rainbows? That's how you know it's only a matter of time before the frogs all turn gay. Governor Dewine:
February 17, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Toastrel said: Yeah, two wheels coming off means there is no point in quickly applying brakes to all cars in a train to stop MORE cars from derailing. You are free to rail against the Biden admin for not undoing Trump's BS. You are free to queef about the Feds not doing anything, for a GOP governor who REFUSED Fed assistance. Enjoy edit: https://www.brown.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/sherrod-brown-calls-governor-dewine-declare-disaster-seek-federal-government-support-derailment-east-palestine 2 hours ago, Tnt4philly said: "Unlike other systems, where brakes are applied sequentially along the length of a train, electronic pneumatic brakes, or ECP, work on all cars simultaneously. That can reduce the distance and time a train needs to stop and can keep some cars from derailing.” "These ECP brakes are very important for oil trains,” rail safety expert Steven Ditmeyer said in 2018 when the regulations were rolled back. "It makes a great deal of sense: All the brakes get applied immediately, and there would be fewer cars in the pileup.” Leave the cult. https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/infrastructure/ecp-brakes-technology-ohio-derailment/amp/ Since it takes a freight train (traveling 55 MPH) over a mile to stop on the tracks in a full emergency brake situation, please explain how that will prevent derailing once one car comes off the tracks. For your benefit, we'll apply ECP brakes that can reduce the stopping distance about 30%. Each car that follows the first off the tracks is stopping much faster due to an enormous increase in surface area and friction with the ground and obsticles. Assuming none of the derailed cars have compromised the ECP brake system and it is being applied, what is actually happening to the remaining cars? I'll show you: This isn't political. It's physics.
February 17, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, brkmsn said: Since it takes a freight train (traveling 55 MPH) over a mile to stop on the tracks in a full emergency brake situation, please explain how that will prevent derailing once one car comes off the tracks. I don't know ish about trains (different kind of engineer) but I don't think he's saying more efficient brakes would've prevented initial derailment, but perhaps they could've limited the severity of the pile-up. Maybe it's only 30 cars that derail instead of 50, etc.
February 17, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: I don't know ish about trains (different kind of engineer) but I don't think he's saying more efficient brakes would've prevented initial derailment, but perhaps they could've limited the severity of the pile-up. Maybe it's only 30 cars that derail instead of 50, etc. The benefit of ECP brakes is to avoid accidents where there is advanced warning. They lower stopping distance on the tracks. If a school bus was stalled on the tracks, ECP brakes could be the difference between stopping in time or not (depending on how soon the train had warning). Unfortunately, a derailment nullifies brakes and in essence the derailment becomes the brakes. This accident has absolutely nothing to do with Trump and it's unfortunate that the transportation secretary feels the need to deflect like this. Currently, there's a environmental tragedy that occurred in the area due to the accident. That and public safety are what should be focused on. While I'm no cheerleader for environmentalists in general, I do believe in being responsible. Elected (and appointed) officials on both sides should stop pointing fingers and do their jobs.
February 17, 20232 yr the whole ECP brakes things sounds more like a vehicle of blame than anything. a way for one side to blame the other for something that wasnt going to stop the initial problem. the real question we should be asking is, why the F are we using trains to transport hazmat?
February 17, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, BFit said: the real question we should be asking is, why the F are we using trains to transport hazmat? Honestly, I can't think of a better solution. You want it on the roads, in the air, or in the ocean?
February 17, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, brkmsn said: Since it takes a freight train (traveling 55 MPH) over a mile to stop on the tracks in a full emergency brake situation, please explain how that will prevent derailing once one car comes off the tracks. For your benefit, we'll apply ECP brakes that can reduce the stopping distance about 30%. Each car that follows the first off the tracks is stopping much faster due to an enormous increase in surface area and friction with the ground and obsticles. Assuming none of the derailed cars have compromised the ECP brake system and it is being applied, what is actually happening to the remaining cars? I'll show you: This isn't political. It's physics. For my benefit? I simply posted the opinion of a train safety expert.
February 17, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, brkmsn said: The benefit of ECP brakes is to avoid accidents where there is advanced warning. They lower stopping distance on the tracks. If a school bus was stalled on the tracks, ECP brakes could be the difference between stopping in time or not (depending on how soon the train had warning). Unfortunately, a derailment nullifies brakes and in essence the derailment becomes the brakes. This accident has absolutely nothing to do with Trump and it's unfortunate that the transportation secretary feels the need to deflect like this. Currently, there's a environmental tragedy that occurred in the area due to the accident. That and public safety are what should be focused on. While I'm no cheerleader for environmentalists in general, I do believe in being responsible. Elected (and appointed) officials on both sides should stop pointing fingers and do their jobs. Seems like there are some that would disagree with your take: "ECP brakes would have avoided that monster pile up behind the derailed car," said Steven Ditmeyer, a former senior official at the Federal Railroad Administration. "In fact, depending on when the crew got the (error) notice from the wayside detector, applying the ECP brakes would have stopped everything very quickly. "So I think it would have helped." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2023/02/14/norfolk-southerns-ohio-train-derailment-emblematic-rail-trends/11248956002/
February 17, 20232 yr FFS THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF ECP BRAKES IS TO LESSEN THE CHANCE OF DERAILMENT, AND PREVENT EXACTLY THIS SORT OF SITUATION. THEY ARE EXPENSIVE, AND RAILROADS DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THEM.
February 17, 20232 yr Though this ECP discussion may all be beside the point, since it seems the repealed rule wouldn't have applied in this case based on this train's designation anyway.
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