February 17, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: See all the rainbows? That's how you know it's only a matter of time before the frogs all turn gay. The Republicans will never spend the money to clean that water.
February 17, 20232 yr 13 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Though this ECP discussion may all be beside the point, since it seems the repealed rule wouldn't have applied in this case based on how this train's designation anyway. It all depends on what was really in the cars. So far, the railroad has been lying about that. Seems like the regulation is weak, if you can get around it this easily.
February 17, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, brkmsn said: Honestly, I can't think of a better solution. You want it on the roads, in the air, or in the ocean? if the payload was in a semi, and the semi wrecked, that would have been a lot smaller of a disaster and something that could be cleaned up by a local enviromental spill company
February 17, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, BFit said: if the payload was in a semi, and the semi wrecked, that would have been a lot smaller of a disaster and something that could be cleaned up by a local enviromental spill company In that same scenario, you probably have at least one dead (the driver) and potentially a few more if the accident involved other automobiles. You also slow supply chains, increase cost, and burn more fuel overall. Trains are essential for many reasons, but people should be asking questions about what can be reasonably done to decrease accidents.
February 17, 20232 yr 16 minutes ago, BFit said: if the payload was in a semi, and the semi wrecked, that would have been a lot smaller of a disaster and something that could be cleaned up by a local enviromental spill company The cost of products would skyrocket. Trains are cheap to run and extremely efficient with the amount of cargo. Folks need to stop with this nonsense. Trucking everything is NOT the answer.
February 17, 20232 yr 44 minutes ago, BFit said: if the payload was in a semi, and the semi wrecked, that would have been a lot smaller of a disaster and something that could be cleaned up by a local enviromental spill company If the payload was in a semi, along with the several hundred other semi's needed to match 1 train, the deaths from the huge traffic jam would not doubt not be much better.
February 17, 20232 yr Only in America. Alex Jones would approve. Fact check: Baseless claim that Ohio train derailment was a 'false flag' operation A Feb. 13 Facebook post (direct link, archived link) shows screenshots of several social media posts on the Feb. 3 Ohio train derailment. "THIS WAS PLANNED / BY DESIGN / FALSE FLAG," reads part of the post. "New reports indicate deadly vinyl chloride has contaminated the Ohio River as far as West Virginia, a water source for over 5 million." The post generated over 500 shares in less than a week. Experts previously told USA TODAY that conspiracy theorists regularly misuse the term to falsely claim major news events were staged, as this post alleges.
February 17, 20232 yr There have been over 1,000 derailments since 2000. https://www.bts.gov/content/train-fatalities-injuries-and-accidents-type-accidenta Not enough to spend money on, to try and resolve. CRT is more critical to address, so is Drag Queen Story time and banning books.
February 17, 20232 yr Author EPA chief at Ohio train derailment site: "trust the government" https://www.stltoday.com/news/national/epa-chief-at-ohio-train-derailment-site-trust-the-government/article_26da52ef-08ed-5b6e-833a-e901eae0e645.html
February 17, 20232 yr 29 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: EPA chief at Ohio train derailment site: "trust the government" https://www.stltoday.com/news/national/epa-chief-at-ohio-train-derailment-site-trust-the-government/article_26da52ef-08ed-5b6e-833a-e901eae0e645.html I find this sort of sentiment to be an interesting paradox. It's like a blend of small government libertarianism mixed with anti-capitalism, and a dash of populism. If you're one of these people, I'm not sure where you can turn to have your voices heard. On one hand, you don't trust the government because they don't have your best interests at heart and are presumably in bed with private enterprise who lines their pockets. Which then means you can't trust the free-market to have your bests interests at heart either so laissez-faire capitalism becomes demonized even more than socialism is to conventional conservatives. And then there's obviously this anti-science streak that leans into populism, because the technocratic elites (even those outside of government) must be all lying to you when they say something is safe even though you suspect otherwise. So to line up the entities from most evil to least evil, is it the government scientists that are at the bad guys or is it the railroad company? What about when it comes to policy decisions, the party seeking to increase oversight and regulation (aka "anti-business") or the one repealing it (aka "pro-business")? Is this something where we should involve third party subject matter experts (unaffiliated independent testing agencies), or are they just as complicit because of their academic backgrounds?
February 20, 20232 yr https://www.yahoo.com/news/ohio-senator-blasts-train-operator-193118610.html Ohio senator blasts train operator and lobbyists over toxic derailment "Corporations do stock buybacks, they do big dividend checks, they lay off workers,” Brown said. "Thousands of workers have been laid off from Norfolk Southern. Then they don’t invest in safety rules and safety regulation, and this kind of thing happens. That’s why people in East Palestine are so upset. "They know that corporate lobbyists have had far too much influence in our government and they see this as the result … These things are happening because these railroads are simply not investing the way they should in car safety and in the rail lines themselves.” Brown said Norfolk Southern and corporate lobbyists were wholly responsible for the accident, which has caused breathing difficulties, rashes, nausea, headaches and swollen eyes, as well as killing pets and wildlife. "There’s no question they caused it with this derailment because … they underinvested in their employees. They never look out for their workers. They never look out for their communities. They look out for stock buybacks and dividends. Something’s wrong with corporate America and something’s wrong with Congress and administrations listening too much to corporate lobbyists. And that’s got to change.” Earlier this year, the company announced $10bn in stock buybacks. Last year, it reported $3.2bn in profits.
February 21, 20232 yr https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-epa-to-take-over-cleanup-of-toxic-ohio-derailment-disaster/ar-AA17LtaZ?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=15a438fcdd3c4a0ea33d062fb1fa6ddf#comments Did the Gov. not declare an emergency?
February 21, 20232 yr 31 minutes ago, DiPros said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-epa-to-take-over-cleanup-of-toxic-ohio-derailment-disaster/ar-AA17LtaZ?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=15a438fcdd3c4a0ea33d062fb1fa6ddf#comments Did the Gov. not declare an emergency? They didn't qualify for FEMA. One of the reasons I saw was that the company agreed to pay part of the damages
February 21, 20232 yr Author 31 minutes ago, DiPros said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-epa-to-take-over-cleanup-of-toxic-ohio-derailment-disaster/ar-AA17LtaZ?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=15a438fcdd3c4a0ea33d062fb1fa6ddf#comments Did the Gov. not declare an emergency? Don't think so
February 21, 20232 yr I'm confused about EPA ordering the company to pay when it was reported that the company already said they would help pay and that was why they were denied FEMA
February 23, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: This is a huge story that about half the country will conveniently ignore.
February 23, 20232 yr 38 minutes ago, Gannan said: This is a huge story that about half the country will conveniently ignore. Huge, if true
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