1 minute ago, toolg said:

Is this true? Do you think the Eagles blackballed CJGJ?

I think the Eagles figured once he balked at their multi-year offer, he was good as gone. What's the use of one-year prove-it deal if he's just going to leave and sign somewhere else anyway?

How could they? They clearly didn't because he was signed to the Lions

1 minute ago, toolg said:

Is this true? Do you think the Eagles blackballed CJGJ?

I think the Eagles figured once he balked at their multi-year offer, he was good as gone. What's the use of one-year prove-it deal if he's just going to leave and sign somewhere else anyway?

Classic case of hurt feelings and egos.

Something happened during the negotiations that made someone on the Eagles side say, eff him, and they wrote him off.  That backloaded contract the Eagles offered was not a fair contract.  CJGJ will be the best $8m safety this team is gonna find.  The Eagles know it, but something was said during the negotiations that essentially had the door slammed shut.

23 minutes ago, Vee said:

Classic case of hurt feelings and egos.

Something happened during the negotiations that made someone on the Eagles side say, eff him, and they wrote him off.  That backloaded contract the Eagles offered was not a fair contract.  CJGJ will be the best $8m safety this team is gonna find.  The Eagles know it, but something was said during the negotiations that essentially had the door slammed shut.

CJGJ's people fd up plain and simple (2nd time pattern is forming). Now they put their client in an extremely risky situation. I don't know what the guaranteed money that was offered but I'm going to guess it was more than 8 million. He could have taken the deal under the premise that they would renegotiate if he balled out again. Silly fumble there. Good luck!

21 minutes ago, judunno said:

CJGJ's people fd up plain and simple (2nd time pattern is forming). Now they put their client in an extremely risky situation. I don't know what the guaranteed money that was offered but I'm going to guess it was more than 8 million. He could have taken the deal under the premise that they would renegotiate if he balled out again. Silly fumble there. Good luck!

Yep, and then they doubled down by trying to spin some BS on twitter while airing out negotiations with the public which undoubtedly won't sit well with teams around the league.

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Yep, and then they doubled down by trying to spin some BS on twitter while airing out negotiations with the public which undoubtedly won't sit well with teams around the league.

That blackballed tweet made absolutely no sense.

Just now, judunno said:

That blackballed tweet made absolutely no sense.

I don't think CJ knows what the term means, honestly. 

Blackball or lowball? Might be some confusion on the actual terminology.

I actually think I am now confused. 🙃

Either way, they should have found a way to sign a 25 year old play making Safety. UGH. 

Just now, LacesOut said:

Blackball or lowball? 

Might be some confusion on the actual terminology.

I actually think I am now confused. 🙃

Could be but low balled doesn't make sense either since the Eagles offered him a better deal than the one he ended up taking.

3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I don't think CJ knows what the term means, honestly. 

"No one knows what it means, but it's provocative'

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

Could be but low balled doesn't make sense either since the Eagles offered him a better deal than the one he ended up taking.

Well, not really. He would have had to take way below market salaries in years 1 and 2  before getting $17 million in year 3. Not sure how much was guaranteed, but lots of things can happen in 3 years.  He'll be back out there next year. 

Realistically, it was all the Eagles could do given their current salary cap situation. 

Just now, Hawkeye said:

Well, not really. He would have had to take way below market salaries in years 1 and 2  before getting $17 million in year 3. Not sure how much was guaranteed, but lots of things can happen in 3 years.  He'll be back out there next year. 

Realistically, it was all the Eagles could do given their current salary cap situation. 

I'm aware of what his agency said on twitter and I think you'd have to be extremely gullible to believe that. Just my opinion of course.

13 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Could be but low balled doesn't make sense either since the Eagles offered him a better deal than the one he ended up taking.

Eh, I thought the Eagles offered a three year $24M deal, but it was broken into:

Year One: $3M

Year Two: $3M

Year Three: $17M

(not sure where the other Million went)

 

He got $6.5M guaranteed from the Lions and another $2M in bonuses.

 

The Eagles, if that's the deal they offered, did NOT make a better offer.  Actually, it's a pretty crappy offer.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

I'm aware of what his agency said on twitter and I think you'd have to be extremely gullible to believe that. Just my opinion of course.

Maybe, but if you look at the remaining 2023 cap space, backloading is the only way they could have made it work. I think they made a run at CJGJ early and when his team balked, they quickly pivoted to resigning Slay after initially deciding to cut him. They could restructure Slay's deal  to save cap space, but not Johnson because he wasn't under contract so there was nothing to restructure. 

I would have liked to have seen them find the room to resign him for that $8M.

Based on what's around, Blankenship is going to be the man back there.  Not much else out there, although, I would be happy to see Mills back there at S.

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Maybe, but if you look at the remaining 2023 cap space, backloading is the only way they could have made it work. I think they made a run at CJGJ early and when his team balked, they quickly pivoted to resigning Slay after initially deciding to cut him. They could restructure Slay's deal  to save cap space, but not Johnson because he wasn't under contract so there was nothing to restructure. 

The reports were they made the offer BEFORE they gave Bradberry his deal and that he was plan B when CJ didn't accept. This would mean they could have offered more than two years 7 million with a fake 3rd year for 17 million. Not only that, just using common sense there is no way the Eagles offered him a two year 7 million dollar (total) deal. That's barely over the league minimum. His agency completely botched his market and had every reason to lie to try to play damage control.

1 hour ago, Vee said:

Classic case of hurt feelings and egos.

Something happened during the negotiations that made someone on the Eagles side say, eff him, and they wrote him off.  That backloaded contract the Eagles offered was not a fair contract.  CJGJ will be the best $8m safety this team is gonna find.  The Eagles know it, but something was said during the negotiations that essentially had the door slammed shut.

Don't think either side is being fully transparent about what went down in negotiations.

The backloaded contract would have been structured as such to make it work for the Eagles cap after the Bradberry and Slay deals (its the classic Howie trick of kicking the can down the road). The cash payments would have been $8m per year to CJGJ as someone posted earlier so not entirely a lowball offer. Its totally fair for him to bet on himself and want a 1 year deal to hit the market again next year. He is still young. 

16 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

The reports were they made the offer BEFORE they gave Bradberry his deal and that he was plan B when CJ didn't accept. This would mean they could have offered more than two years 7 million with a fake 3rd year for 17 million. Not only that, just using common sense there is no way the Eagles offered him a two year 7 million dollar (total) deal. That's barely over the league minimum. His agency completely botched his market and had every reason to lie to try to play damage control.

I thought they prioritized Bradberry and Johnson and Slay was going to be the odd man out.  We'll find out in the next couple of days but I agree, his agents totally misread the market (for the second year in a row, I might add, as the screwed the proverbial pooch  in New Orleans before the trade), 

2 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

Don't think either side is being fully transparent about what went down in negotiations.

The backloaded contract would have been structured as such to make it work for the Eagles cap after the Bradberry and Slay deals (its the classic Howie trick of kicking the can down the road). The cash payments would have been $8m per year to CJGJ as someone posted earlier so not entirely a lowball offer. Its totally fair for him to bet on himself and want a 1 year deal to hit the market again next year. He is still young. 

To add to this - a 1 year deal would make it harder to spread the cap hit out as instead of the bulk of the hit and/or dead money from voided years would hitting the cap in Yr 3 and 4, for a 1 year deal you need to take it in either Yr 1 or 2 (mostly Yr 2 if you wanted a lower Yr 1 hit). They may not have that many dollars left to allocate in those years but had them in Yrs 3/4 hence putting forward a contract that was back-ended. The offers to Bradberry and Slay changed the picture here. 2 of 4 from secondary back isn't bad. I would have preferred Bradberry and CJGJ given play last year and age but here we are. The S has been weak - still a lot of guys out there.

1 hour ago, toolg said:

Is this true? Do you think the Eagles blackballed CJGJ?

I think the Eagles figured once he balked at their multi-year offer, he was good as gone. What's the use of one-year prove-it deal if he's just going to leave and sign somewhere else anyway?

 

Howie prevented 31 other teams from signing him?  Wow, he has a lot of power!  

2 hours ago, Vee said:

Classic case of hurt feelings and egos.

Something happened during the negotiations that made someone on the Eagles side say, eff him, and they wrote him off.  That backloaded contract the Eagles offered was not a fair contract.  CJGJ will be the best $8m safety this team is gonna find.  The Eagles know it, but something was said during the negotiations that essentially had the door slammed shut.

 

59 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Well, not really. He would have had to take way below market salaries in years 1 and 2  before getting $17 million in year 3. Not sure how much was guaranteed, but lots of things can happen in 3 years.  He'll be back out there next year. 

Realistically, it was all the Eagles could do given their current salary cap situation. 

 

57 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I'm aware of what his agency said on twitter and I think you'd have to be extremely gullible to believe that. Just my opinion of course.

 

53 minutes ago, Vee said:

Eh, I thought the Eagles offered a three year $24M deal, but it was broken into:

Year One: $3M

Year Two: $3M

Year Three: $17M

(not sure where the other Million went)

 

He got $6.5M guaranteed from the Lions and another $2M in bonuses.

 

The Eagles, if that's the deal they offered, did NOT make a better offer.  Actually, it's a pretty crappy offer.

 

So, these numbers are coming from his agency on Twitter.  The agency that overvalued and poorly advised their client, who sat for a week as supposedly one of the top free agents.  He turned down a multi-year deal from the Eagles to go shop for a better deal and found none.  The best he got was a loser Lions team that has never been to a Super Bowl while Slay and Bradberry are trying to stay in Philly to be with a contender.

Other reports had different figures.  Of course his agency who just failed miserably would post figures that make them look good.  Their tweet was unprofessional and worded like a teenager whining on social media after a breakup.  It was embarrassing.

Here's an example of another rumor about the Eagles offer. 

 

 

3 hours ago, toolg said:

Is this true? Do you think the Eagles blackballed CJGJ?

I think the Eagles figured once he balked at their multi-year offer, he was good as gone. What's the use of one-year prove-it deal if he's just going to leave and sign somewhere else anyway?

He wasn't "black-balled," but I'm sure the Eagles wanted a contract with less of a hit this year. They could  have just tagged him in that case. Like I said ... I hope he enjoys detroit. He'll be in the same situation at the same time next year. He needs to stop playing "victim" and become a more reliable tackler if he wants a team to pay him like a top safety. 

40 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

He wasn't "black-balled," but I'm sure the Eagles wanted a contract with less of a hit this year. They could  have just tagged him in that case. Like I said ... I hope he enjoys detroit. He'll be in the same situation at the same time next year. He needs to stop playing "victim" and become a more reliable tackler if he wants a team to pay him like a top safety. 

He got all them picks in a short period of time and started smelling himself. Forgot how many games he missed and that corner play and pass rush kind of played a role in that. He'll figure that out in Detroit though.

I am fine with him not coming back to the Eagles on that 1 year deal he took in Detroit.  I don't trust that he wouldn't be a bitter drama queen because he didn't get the multi-year deal he was looking for AND couldn't even get the multiyear deal the Eagles could not longer offer (the one reported at 12m/year avg) because he waited too long betting on himself.  But who knows, there is no honesty on either side on what was offered and rejected etc.  I do know that I don't like 12 year old Twitter babies making drama on the team every other day.

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

 

 

 

 

So, these numbers are coming from his agency on Twitter.  The agency that overvalued and poorly advised their client, who sat for a week as supposedly one of the top free agents.  He turned down a multi-year deal from the Eagles to go shop for a better deal and found none.  The best he got was a loser Lions team that has never been to a Super Bowl while Slay and Bradberry are trying to stay in Philly to be with a contender.

Other reports had different figures.  Of course his agency who just failed miserably would post figures that make them look good.  Their tweet was unprofessional and worded like a teenager whining on social media after a breakup.  It was embarrassing.

Here's an example of another rumor about the Eagles offer. 

 

 

Interesting. Yeah, we will never know what the Eagles real offer was. CJGJ is an idiot if he was offered 3 years/$36 million ($12 million per year) and he settled for 1 year/$8 million. (It makes me think it was closer to 3 years/$24 million, backloaded, but the details are sketchy.)  

Anyway, it’s over. CJGJ is on the Lions.

15 minutes ago, toolg said:

Interesting. Yeah, we will never know what the Eagles real offer was. CJGJ is an idiot if he was offered 3 years/$36 million ($12 million per year) and he settled for 1 year/$8 million. (It makes me think it was closer to 3 years/$24 million, backloaded, but the details are sketchy.)  

Anyway, it’s over. CJGJ is on the Lions.

In the words of my toddler "Bahhh, cyaah"