March 20, 20232 yr Well now you have to mock safety branch in the first, maybe after a trade back to 15.
March 20, 20232 yr 22 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Our defense is decimated and they have improved Their qb isn’t better than ours.
March 20, 20232 yr Well, at least that's over with ... time to move on ... can we put a call in to Bobby Wagner's people now?
March 20, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Don't see how the Cowboys are not favorites for division next year They suck. Don't worry about them.
March 20, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Rey said: Well, at least that's over with ... time to move on ... can we put a call in to Bobby Wagner's people now? Im in this boat. Wagner to help shore up the middle & a proper vet for Dean to learn from.
March 20, 20232 yr Author 8 hours ago, eggs said: one year deal for $8 MM? Seems like we should have been able to do that, especially because that isn’t worth a comp pick https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2023/3/19/23647865/detroit-lions-signing-cj-gardner-johnson-nfl-free-agency 1 yr $6.5M (can earn up to $8M)
March 20, 20232 yr Author 11 hours ago, eggs said: So what’s you sense of the 2024 comp pick situation now? As presented by Kempski (Philly Voice): https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-2024-compensatory-draft-pick-tracker/
March 20, 20232 yr 24 minutes ago, time2rock said: As presented by Kempski (Philly Voice): https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-2024-compensatory-draft-pick-tracker/ contracts seem down this year i sorta thought we would be looking at 2 3rds, 4th, 5th with the free agents we had.. but i didn’t expect Bradberry back either.
March 20, 20232 yr Author 3 minutes ago, Cheesteakitis said: contracts seem down this year i sorta thought we would be looking at 2 3rds, 4th, 5th with the free agents we had.. but i didn’t expect Bradberry back either. Yeah Bradberry, Hargrave, and CJGJ were the 3 that most thought would yield the highest comp picks had they all signed elsewhere. I don't think many expected CJGJ to have to accept a 1 year prove it deal for so little. Shame because if he has a great year he'll probably get a nice contract next year and Detroit will get the better comp pick (should he choose to sign elsewhere).
March 20, 20232 yr The CJGJ news is depressing. For the contract he signed, I have to believe this was a case of him not wanting to come back here or, and perhaps more likely, we didn't want him back. Schefter reported that the Eagles offered him a multi-year deal at the beginning of free agency but he turned it down. That may be true, but if it was, why would Howie only offer a multi year deal and not be amenable to the same kind of one year deal he did with Detroit? That part doesn't make any sense...wonder if something happened during negotiations that resulted in a "F U...F me? No, F U!" situation. Who knows, either way this stinks. Now we've lost both starting safeties. Have to give Howie the benefit of the doubt here. Have to imagine he'll pivot and make a different move to solidify at least one of the safety spots.
March 20, 20232 yr 14 hours ago, judunno said: Well... that's the first time I saw this. grrrr Isn't it great? Awful field and Bad refs cost the Eagles. Bonus points to Gannon being trash.
March 20, 20232 yr Author 9 hours ago, EaglesAddict said: The CJGJ news is depressing. For the contract he signed, I have to believe this was a case of him not wanting to come back here or, and perhaps more likely, we didn't want him back. Schefter reported that the Eagles offered him a multi-year deal at the beginning of free agency but he turned it down. That may be true, but if it was, why would Howie only offer a multi year deal and not be amenable to the same kind of one year deal he did with Detroit? That part doesn't make any sense...wonder if something happened during negotiations that resulted in a "F U...F me? No, F U!" situation. Who knows, either way this stinks. Now we've lost both starting safeties. Have to give Howie the benefit of the doubt here. Have to imagine he'll pivot and make a different move to solidify at least one of the safety spots. Or maybe we just ran out of $. We actually did a lot more in free agency than most of us expected. CJGJ turned down our earlier offer so Howie shifted his focus elsewhere. I think many had a feeling that having given Cox $10M would likely mean we would no longer be able to afford CJGJ (even though I remained hopeful). Just a shame how that all played out.
March 20, 20232 yr We bring back a bunch of old players and let the younger ones leave. I don’t like it. So, 1/3 of the starters on the SB team are gone. Well that’s just great.😖
March 20, 20232 yr They're now projected to have 12 picks next year including 2 seconds, 2 thirds and 5 fifth rounders. I wouldn't rule out Howie making a draft day trade or two next month for a vet and to move up, using some of those 2024 picks.
March 20, 20232 yr 21 minutes ago, time2rock said: Or maybe we just ran out of $. We actually did a lot more in free agency than most of us expected. CJGJ turned down our earlier offer so Howie focused elsewhere. I think many had a feeling that having given Cox $10M would likely mean we would no longer be able to afford CJGJ (even though I remained hopeful). Just a shame how that all played out. I dunno man, something's just odd about it. I agree that overall we did more in FA than most thought (so far), but I feel like there is something more behind the scenes as to why we didn't get it done with him (i.e., not that we couldn't do it financially). Even if he rejected Howie's initial offer, I don't think Howie would have then just dropped it and said "forget you then, I'm taking my toys and leaving", lol. It also says something that he got the deal that he did...so other teams obviously don't view him the way he views himself. What are other teams scared off by? His personality?
March 20, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, EaglesAddict said: The CJGJ news is depressing. For the contract he signed, I have to believe this was a case of him not wanting to come back here or, and perhaps more likely, we didn't want him back. Schefter reported that the Eagles offered him a multi-year deal at the beginning of free agency but he turned it down. That may be true, but if it was, why would Howie only offer a multi year deal and not be amenable to the same kind of one year deal he did with Detroit? That part doesn't make any sense...wonder if something happened during negotiations that resulted in a "F U...F me? No, F U!" situation. Who knows, either way this stinks. Now we've lost both starting safeties. Have to give Howie the benefit of the doubt here. Have to imagine he'll pivot and make a different move to solidify at least one of the safety spots. Why would Howie offer only a 1 year deal? Free agents don't want that, that's a prove-it deal. They want multi-year with guaranteed money which is what he offered. He and his agent turned it down because they thought they could get better. So Eagles went to plan B: keep Bradberry and extend Slay. Then CJG realized the market wasn't there, and then SETTLED for a 1 year deal. His agency looks foolish and now trying to desperately spin it like it was what they wanted all along and it's a win. They look like losers.
March 20, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, time2rock said: As presented by Kempski (Philly Voice): https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-2024-compensatory-draft-pick-tracker/ All that on top of what they already have. Wow. I know the comp picks can't be traded yet but if he knows he has those coming in, he can use his existing future picks in trades this year if he wants. He needs to trade down a couple times to collect some picks in this draft. Perhaps from #10 down just a few spots and then at some point collect some additional picks in other rounds.
March 20, 20232 yr 41 minutes ago, NOTW said: Why would Howie offer only a 1 year deal? Free agents don't want that, that's a prove-it deal. They want multi-year with guaranteed money which is what he offered. He and his agent turned it down because they thought they could get better. So Eagles went to plan B: keep Bradberry and extend Slay. Then CJG realized the market wasn't there, and then SETTLED for a 1 year deal. His agency looks foolish and now trying to desperately spin it like it was what they wanted all along and it's a win. They look like losers. He rejected the multi year. But if he didn't like the multi year deal we offered him, why wouldn't Howie just do the one year deal instead...if that's what CJG had to settle for? That's my question. I agree that his agency looks foolish right now. But I have to imagine that Howie ultimately had a chance to match that one year deal...why didn't he? He let a young playmaker go for a contract that he could have done easily.
March 20, 20232 yr Author 1 hour ago, EaglesAddict said: I dunno man, something's just odd about it. I agree that overall we did more in FA than most thought (so far), but I feel like there is something more behind the scenes as to why we didn't get it done with him (i.e., not that we couldn't do it financially). Even if he rejected Howie's initial offer, I don't think Howie would have then just dropped it and said "forget you then, I'm taking my toys and leaving", lol. It also says something that he got the deal that he did...so other teams obviously don't view him the way he views himself. What are other teams scared off by? His personality? As I mentioned previously, I just think Howie shifted focus to other areas (like Slay, Bradberry, Cox) thinking we aren't going to be able to sign CJGJ and by the time an opportunity to do so for a 1 year prove it deal (who knows if CJGJ's camp even offered that to Philly), we may have consumed our free agency funds by then.
March 20, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, time2rock said: As I mentioned previously, I just think Howie shifted focus to other areas (like Slay, Bradberry, Cox) thinking we aren't going to be able to sign CJGJ and by the time an opportunity to do so for a 1 year prove it deal (who knows if CJGJ's camp even offered that to Philly), we may have consumed our free agency funds by then. I don't think Cox' deal has anything to do with it. fwiw Caplan said it might not really be 10 and I think they view the DL funds separately from DB. For sure I think Bradberry signing altered their thinking but even with all that I think they soured on CJGJ in general because it feels like they could have made a deal work if they wanted to. Watch they'll spend that money somewhere else
March 20, 20232 yr Author 9 minutes ago, pgcd3 said: I don't think Cox' deal has anything to do with it. fwiw Caplan said it might not really be 10 and I think they view the DL funds separately from DB. For sure I think Bradberry signing altered their thinking but even with all that I think they soured on CJGJ in general because it feels like they could have made a deal work if they wanted to. Watch they'll spend that money somewhere else You could be right. But that would conflict with most of the earlier "reports" that we were making a strong push to re-sign him.
March 20, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, EaglesAddict said: He rejected the multi year. But if he didn't like the multi year deal we offered him, why wouldn't Howie just do the one year deal instead...if that's what CJG had to settle for? That's my question. I agree that his agency looks foolish right now. But I have to imagine that Howie ultimately had a chance to match that one year deal...why didn't he? He let a young playmaker go for a contract that he could have done easily. I'm guessing CJG said he wanted a multi-year deal for more elsewhere. Maybe Howie did also offer a 1 year deal if that's what he wanted? I don't know if it's common to offer a lower amount for 1 year as a worse offer that doesn't make sense to me though. Why would you offer a worse deal for a 1 year prove-it which isn't usually what the player wants, when you offered a better deal and they turned it down?
March 20, 20232 yr 27 minutes ago, NOTW said: I'm guessing CJG said he wanted a multi-year deal for more elsewhere. Maybe Howie did also offer a 1 year deal if that's what he wanted? I don't know if it's common to offer a lower amount for 1 year as a worse offer that doesn't make sense to me though. Why would you offer a worse deal for a 1 year prove-it which isn't usually what the player wants, when you offered a better deal and they turned it down? You'd offer it as a compromise to the player. If the player rejected the multi year because it wasn't what he was looking for, then just doing a 1 year deal so he can test the market again next year is a compromise. So, one party walked away from the other between Howie and CGJ. In any case, we'll never know exactly what and how it went down. Apparently CGJ's agency tweeted out what the Eagles offered and basically said that the one year deal he signed with Detroit was better. And the fact that a player's agent would do such a thing may mean that negotiations between them and Howie were not exactly the greatest.
March 20, 20232 yr ^^re: CJGJ Has to be some truth to that given the deal he ended up signing. Is Banner still connected to get this "inside info" or is he just deducing that this must be the case due to the contract? Either way, it does make sense. Or there's other concerns (off-field stuff) that we don't really know about? He definitely seemed "good" to me on the field.
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