3 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

I was thinking of some weird scenarios that could play out tomorrow s here's one for ya:

In it's final mock, The Athletic has Kentucky QB Will Levis falling to Tennessee at #11 which got me thinking - what happens if one of the big 4 QBs does drop and is still there when the Eagles are on the clock.  Obviously they don't need a quarterback, but would The Quarterback Factory be able to resist pouncing on a guy like Levis or Richardson? 

I think the move is to trade UP and get Davis or Will Anderson but if they stay at 10 and there's an elite QB still on the board Howie might cave to temptation....

No, just no! Dont be crazy. You don't take a QB in top 10 especially after giving your QB and new contract the same year. You take someone that will be a day 1 starter. 

If one of these QBs are there at 10, I could see us trading back with Washington possibly gaining another 2nd (I'm assuming as I don't know values of picks). But I also wouldn't be surprised if someone (Washington) would make a call to Chicago for 9. 

39 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

I was thinking of some weird scenarios that could play out tomorrow s here's one for ya:

In it's final mock, The Athletic has Kentucky QB Will Levis falling to Tennessee at #11 which got me thinking - what happens if one of the big 4 QBs does drop and is still there when the Eagles are on the clock.  Obviously they don't need a quarterback, but would The Quarterback Factory be able to resist pouncing on a guy like Levis or Richardson? 

I think the move is to trade UP and get Davis or Will Anderson but if they stay at 10 and there's an elite QB still on the board Howie might cave to temptation....

The only reason being #10 is a sweet spot in this draft is because of the talent that could fall if there are surprises, and they can trade back to a team that wants to beat out another team.

I'd sit at #10 and just take the BPA, or I'd trade back and get good value back.

I think Bijan is going to be there at 10...and the Eagles will not select him and the fan base will lose their minds.  

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

The only reason being #10 is a sweet spot in this draft is because of the talent that could fall if there are surprises, and they can trade back to a team that wants to beat out another team.

I'd sit at #10 and just take the BPA, or I'd trade back and get good value back.

What if the BPA is a QB?

2 hours ago, Portyansky said:

No, just no! Dont be crazy. You don't take a QB in top 10 especially after giving your QB and new contract the same year. You take someone that will be a day 1 starter. 

If one of these QBs are there at 10, I could see us trading back with Washington possibly gaining another 2nd (I'm assuming as I don't know values of picks). But I also wouldn't be surprised if someone (Washington) would make a call to Chicago for 9. 

Not suggesting just trying to think like Howie.  I don't think they would trade the pick to a division rival.  Tennessee could be a player to trade up to get into the top 10 but a lot of it is going to depend on how the chips fall.  If a QB is still on the board at 8 and Atlanta goes a different direction the phones will be ringing in Chicago and Philadelphia. 

2 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

I was thinking of some weird scenarios that could play out tomorrow s here's one for ya:

In it's final mock, The Athletic has Kentucky QB Will Levis falling to Tennessee at #11 which got me thinking - what happens if one of the big 4 QBs does drop and is still there when the Eagles are on the clock.  Obviously they don't need a quarterback, but would The Quarterback Factory be able to resist pouncing on a guy like Levis or Richardson? 

I think the move is to trade UP and get Davis or Will Anderson but if they stay at 10 and there's an elite QB still on the board Howie might cave to temptation....

We would never take a QB in the top half of the draft after having just signed our franchise QB to a large extension.  

 

 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

The only reason being #10 is a sweet spot in this draft is because of the talent that could fall if there are surprises, and they can trade back to a team that wants to beat out another team.

I'd sit at #10 and just take the BPA, or I'd trade back and get good value back.

Same here.  And any deal involving a trade back better be heavy in our favor.  

15 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

What if the BPA is a QB?

he's always said BPA...at a position of need.  He said that again in last week's press conference.  he wouldn't take a QB there, he'd take who he wants or try to trade back with a team that wants a QB.  Say a team picking mid to late round that needs a QB that didn't think they'd have a chance.  Trade back for their 1st this year and a 1st next year and a 3rd round pick this year.

At #10 they won't draft a QB, WR, TE, C, G, LB, S and maybe not even a CB.  They usually take OT, DT, DE/Edge, WR or QB and the last 2 they won't be taking high this year.  So it's a linemen.  

Corner is a position they value and they haven't drafted it in over 20 years in the first round.  There are good corners they could take but they were able to keep Bradberry and Slay so it would be a hard sell for a guy to sit a year or 2.

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

I think Bijan is going to be there at 10...and the Eagles will not select him and the fan base will lose their minds.  

I see this happening too. I don't think they'd want to use that high of a pick on that position. I could maybe see them doing it if he somehow fell to 30, or they traded back from 10 and got a good # of picks, and he fell to them wherever they moved to.

50 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Not suggesting just trying to think like Howie.  I don't think they would trade the pick to a division rival.  Tennessee could be a player to trade up to get into the top 10 but a lot of it is going to depend on how the chips fall.  If a QB is still on the board at 8 and Atlanta goes a different direction the phones will be ringing in Chicago and Philadelphia. 

Wouldn't matter. Wash is a lot further away than just a QB. Also if you could trade back in the mid teens and gain let's say Bijan and a 2nd? Why not.

Not sure Wentz can be called a bad pick. Without him, we don't have a SB win, without him we don't have a whole lot of other.

I don't follow college ball, but if we don't trade down from ten, I would be happy with either an RT to eventually replace Lane, an explosive DL to upgrade an ageing group, or a top drawer CB. When you look at the records of other teams drafting, I think Howie gets a really raw deal. We have the benefit of hindsight and, not picking Jefferson aside, none of us know better than him. Who saw Jalen being first picked, then becoming such a phenomenon?

4 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

Obviously they don't need a quarterback, but would The Quarterback Factory be able to resist pouncing on a guy like Levis or Richardson? 

In short yes because they’d have to. They have just given hurts a big contract they can’t then go and draft a QB in the first round. 

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

 

At #10 they won't draft a QB, WR, TE, C, G, LB, S and maybe not even a CB.  They usually take OT, DT, DE/Edge, WR or QB and the last 2 they won't be taking high this year.  So it's a linemen.  

Corner is a position they value and they haven't drafted it in over 20 years in the first round.  There are good corners they could take but they were able to keep Bradberry and Slay so it would be a hard sell for a guy to sit a year or 2.

I agree - they'll take someone who plays in the trenches. Where it gets interesting is if a guy like Jalen Carter or Will Anderson falls into the Eagles trading range - like, 7th or 8th.  If that happens I think they'd move up two or three spots, but the chart says that would likely cost them a pair of 2nds.  

13 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

I agree - they'll take someone who plays in the trenches. Where it gets interesting is if a guy like Jalen Carter or Will Anderson falls into the Eagles trading range - like, 7th or 8th.  If that happens I think they'd move up two or three spots, but the chart says that would likely cost them a pair of 2nds.  

Howie made a joke in the press conference that he has 12 picks in next year's draft...there will be 2 left after this year's draft is over.  he jokes, but he does have plenty of future picks to use in trades.

If they are ok with the Carter off the field situation and his character and all that, then talent wise he makes the most sense and I could definitely see Howie trade up a few spots for him.  Repeat of what he did with Jordan Davis.  But we've been surprised before so we'll see what happens.

Not that confident since i think teams have learned not to trade with Howie. We might be stuck with a less than ideal pick.

Confidence level: high.

 

But:

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

What if the BPA is a QB?

Good thing none of these QB's will be a BPA at #10, even if taking a QB as BPA was an option. There is a lot more talent at other positions and the only reason QB's get pushed up so high is because of need, which the Eagles do not have.

On 4/24/2023 at 12:57 PM, EazyEaglez said:

I feel like for 2022 you also have to add AJ Brown to that list because he used a first to acquire him. That is also using a first to make a selection. I feel more confident if Howie wasn’t making to picks from college players. If there’s a place where Howie over thinks things it’s in the draft. Smith and Lane are easily his best first round picks. Jury is still out on what Davis will become, but his first season was a mixed bag at best. I would prefer Howie took a 2022 style of approach to this draft and use one of these picks to select a player and the other to trade for one. 

No doubt that was huge but no, I am talking about Howie's ability to identify "unknown" talent.  Howie does a fantastic job for the most part with trades but his talent evaluation skills of college players still leaves a bit to be desired IMO.  I have come around to having a much greater level of appreciation for him but I can't say I am as confident as some of the folks responding in this thread that he is going to knock it out of the park starting tonight.  Still too many head-scratching picks made in recent years to feel fully comfortable that he has learned from past mistakes (perhaps with a couple solid drafts I'll get there ... jury is still out on 2022 class).  

29 minutes ago, time2rock said:

No doubt that was huge but no, I am talking about Howie's ability to identify "unknown" talent.  Howie does a fantastic job for the most part with trades but his talent evaluation skills of college players still leaves a bit to be desired IMO.  I have come around to having a much greater level of appreciation for him but I can't say I am as confident as some of the folks responding in this thread that he is going to knock it out of the park starting tonight.  Still too many head-scratching picks made in recent years to feel fully comfortable that he has learned from past mistakes (perhaps with a couple solid drafts I'll get there ... jury is still out on 2022 class).  

Ehh - I think you guys are way too hard on Howie (or any other GM for that matter) when it comes to drafting players. You can identify the best player in world and draft him to be on the team, but if he is oft injured or doesnt quite learn the teams ways or is not coached up properly by the coaches or doesnt fit in with the rest of the players or a myriad of any other factors and he fails, it does not mean that he was a bad pick at the time.

You can scout and poke and prod and identify all day, but you never know really how they will fit into the team in the long run. Then we try and compare how other teams drafted and how successful those players are with their teams. Just because a player did well or failed on another team does not mean they would have done well or failed on this team. At the end of the day it is all a very calculated gamble.

39 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Ehh - I think you guys are way too hard on Howie (or any other GM for that matter) when it comes to drafting players. You can identify the best player in world and draft him to be on the team, but if he is oft injured or doesnt quite learn the teams ways or is not coached up properly by the coaches or doesnt fit in with the rest of the players or a myriad of any other factors and he fails, it does not mean that he was a bad pick at the time.

You can scout and poke and prod and identify all day, but you never know really how they will fit into the team in the long run. Then we try and compare how other teams drafted and how successful those players are with their teams. Just because a player did well or failed on another team does not mean they would have done well or failed on this team. At the end of the day it is all a very calculated gamble.

Reagor and JJAW are still living rent free in my head.  I'm working to get past those picks ... a couple more solid drafts and I'll be there.  

 

 

Stay away from Jalen Carter. The guy is weak in the brain. Veerrry slow thinker, and he will be a bust at the NFL level. Don't do it Howie. Dude has brain mush, and I am being kind here. Go with any other good choice, but don't draft this bust.

The only scenario I don't want is Bijon sliding to 10 and Howie opts to trade back to a team who wants him.

 

This place will explode.

4 hours ago, time2rock said:

No doubt that was huge but no, I am talking about Howie's ability to identify "unknown" talent.  Howie does a fantastic job for the most part with trades but his talent evaluation skills of college players still leaves a bit to be desired IMO.  I have come around to having a much greater level of appreciation for him but I can't say I am as confident as some of the folks responding in this thread that he is going to knock it out of the park starting tonight.  Still too many head-scratching picks made in recent years to feel fully comfortable that he has learned from past mistakes (perhaps with a couple solid drafts I'll get there ... jury is still out on 2022 class).  

I don’t know if I would call Howie the best at selecting players, but he’s not the worst either. Lately I would say he’s was better at selecting players than Belicheat is right now. I don’t think it will matter where Howie selects in this draft because there is no guarantee any spot he chooses he gets the right guy. 

1 hour ago, SPIDER-MAN said:

The only scenario I don't want is Bijon sliding to 10 and Howie opts to trade back to a team who wants him.

 

This place will explode.

That would be great.  Because it would mean there's no lineman left they value to take there and they can collect extra picks from a team desperate to take a 1st round RB at #10 overall.  Plus, the fans would cry and whine about it so a bonus.