Procus Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Before Lurie, I don't recall many trades where the Eagles traded a QB from their roster. They acquired Jaws and Gabe from the Rams, but didn't trade a QB back in return (as a side note - back in the 70's and 80's, the Rams were kind of running their own little QB factory and fleeced more than one team trading an over the hill QB for multiple first round picks - but that's a different story). The last big QB trade where the Eagles got the short end of the stick was the Sonny Jurgensen for Norm Snead trade. Jurgy was HOFer and Snead was nothing more than a journeyman. During the Lurie era, early on, the Eagles were in acquisition mode when it came to QB's. Randall retired and the team got nothing for him. Journeymen Rodney Peete and Ty Detmer didn't have any real value when the left the Eagles nor did Bobby Hoying whose confidence was ruined. It was after Reid was hired, McNabb drafted, and Dougie P. jettisoned as QB that the Eagles really began their QB Factory in earnest. Trading AJ Feeley to Miami for a 2nd round pick? How bout fetching a high 2nd and 4th for an over the hill McNabb? What did the team get for Kolb from the Cards - a 2nd and DRC? My personal favorite was fleecing the Vikes for a 1st and 4th for gimpy kneed Sam Bradford. Ah, and a 1st and a 3rd for a washed up Wentz. Maybe you can argue that the Eagles got hurt trading Nick Foles and a 2nd for Sam Bradford. But that turned out to be a trade that hurt both teams. And but for that trade, the Eagles don't get to sign Foles as their backup QB and come off the bench toward the end of the season with very little tape on him and then go on a tear in the playoffs. You can seriously question whether the Eagles win the SB if Foles is never traded. I think the morale of the story here is that other NFL teams are probably well advised to stay far away from the Eagles if the team is dangling a QB as trade bait. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranklinFldEBUpper Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 They once traded Brad Goebel to the Browns for an 8th round pick. And the next year the league shortened the draft from eight to seven rounds, so they ended up getting absolutely nothing for him. He sucked anyway, but still... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 You could argue trading Foles for Bradford. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted July 22 Author Share Posted July 22 11 minutes ago, NOTW said: You could argue trading Foles for Bradford. But ask yourself this, if the Eagles don't make that trade and keep Foles - two things happen: 1. Foles doesn't come in late season to fill in for an injured Wentz to lead the Eagles to a SB victory 2. Eagles don't get to trade Sam Bradford for a first and a fourth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 3 minutes ago, Procus said: But ask yourself this, if the Eagles don't make that trade and keep Foles - two things happen: 1. Foles doesn't come in late season to fill in for an injured Wentz to lead the Eagles to a SB victory 2. Eagles don't get to trade Sam Bradford for a first and a fourth In hindsight yeah. It's why I said you "could" argue it. Only one I could think of. Fans hated that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheKoy Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 They traded Koy Detmer for a roster spot and they regretted it to the point where when they entered the playoffs from the 2006 season they called on Koy Detmer to bring him back to hold and they traded another player on the team for a roster spot to bring Koy back and it was worth it. He held clutch game winning field goal and Akers did not miss that postseason when he otherwise probably would have. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 9 hours ago, NOTW said: In hindsight yeah. It's why I said you "could" argue it. Only one I could think of. Fans hated that trade. In isolation, (not considering the myriad of dominoes that fell in the years to follow and ended with a Super Bowl victory) it was a bad trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaBeach_Eagle Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 This is an article from last year on this topic: Quote A look at the Eagles' remarkable history trading quarterbacks By Reuben Frank, Eagles Insider • Published March 14, 2022 Since 1999, the Eagles have traded 12 quarterbacks away. Those deals brought the Eagles two 1st-round picks, three 2nd-round picks, a 3rd-round pick, two 4th-round picks, four 6th-round picks, a 7th-round pick, Sam Bradford and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. The quarterbacks they unloaded? They won 36 total games with the team the Eagles traded them to. That's 36 wins in 85 starts. Not one reached the playoffs. Not one made a Pro Bowl. Not one even spent more than two years with the team they were traded to. In fact, seven were only with their next team one year (or less). You'd think the 31 other NFL teams would realize that acquiring a quarterback from the Eagles isn't going to work. But teams keep doing it. And according to one report, the Colts -- who might have made the worst deal of the bunch -- are actually considering making the Eagles another offer, this time for Gardner Minshew. Bring 'em on. The Eagles win these trades every single time. NFL EAGLES ANALYSIS 7 HOURS AGO Eagles mailbag: Explaining the signing of Dennis Kelly WASHINGTON COMMANDERS 21 HOURS AGO Magic Johnson doesn't rule out another name change for Washington Commanders With free agency and the trading period set to open this week, we thought it would be fun to take a detailed look back at the Eagles' track record trading quarterbacks. APRIL 28, 1999: Rodney Peete to Washington for a 2000 6th-round pick [No. 192 overall, C John Romero] How did he do? Spent one year in Washington, didn't start a game. How it went for the Eagles: Romero made the Eagles' initial roster in 2000 but was released the next day after the Eagles were awarded Hank Fraley on waivers from the Steelers. Romero spent 2000 on the practice squad before bouncing around with the Bills, Saints and Rams over the next few years. He's now a cop in Oakland, Calif. AUG. 24, 1999: Bobby Hoying to the Raiders for a 2000 6th-round pick [No. 178 overall, DE John Frank] How did he do? Spent two years with Raiders, didn't start a game. How it went for the Eagles: Frank had a shot to make the Eagles as a rookie but decided to retire instead and work at an advertising agency. He returned to the Eagles in 2001 and spent the year on the practice squad. He eventually spent time with the Jets and Giants as well as in the CFL and Arena League before retiring for good in 2006 and going into coaching. APRIL 3, 2004: A.J. Feeley to the Dolphins for a 2005 2nd-round pick [No. 35 overall, Reggie Brown] How did he do? Spent one year with the Dolphins, went 3-5 in eight starts. How it went for the Eagles: Brown got off to a good enough start. His 150 catches for 2,167 yards from 2005 through 2007 are 8th-most in Eagles history by a player in his first three seasons. But he caught only 27 more passes in two more seasons and retired at the age of 28 after 2009. AUG. 28, 2007: Kelly Holcomb to the Vikings for a 2009 6th-round pick [No. 191 overall] How did he do? Spent one year with the Vikings, went 0-3 in three starts. How it went for the Eagles: Through a roundabout way, the pick the Eagles got from the Vikings, which was later part of a trade with the Browns, helped the Eagles draft Jeremy Maclin with the 19th overall pick in 2009. Maclin caught 343 passes for 4,771 yards and 36 TDs in five years with the Eagles before finishing his career playing for Andy Reid in Kansas City. APRIL 4, 2010: Donovan McNabb to Washington for a 2010 2nd-round pick [No. 37 overall, Nate Allen] and a 2011 4th-round pick [subsequently traded] How did he do? Spent one year with Washington, went 5-8 in 13 starts. How it went for the Eagles: Allen was never a star here, but he was a steady starting safety for five years, including two playoff seasons. He had 10 interceptions as an Eagle, including a career-high four in 2015. He finished his career with the Chiefs and Dolphins. JULY 28, 2011: Kevin Kolb to the Cardinals for a 2nd-round pick [No. 51 overall, subsequently traded] and CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie How did he do? Spent two years with Cards, went 6-8 in 14 starts. How it went for the Eagles: DRC never showed the form that made him a Pro Bowler with the Cards and Giants. He was here only two years and had three interceptions, all in 2012. The 2nd-round pick bounced around but eventually turned into Vinny Curry, who spent eight seasons with the Eagles and had 30 sacks, including a career-high 9.0 in 2014. MARCH 10, 2015: Nick Foles and a 2016 2nd-round pick [No. 43 overall] to the Rams for Sam Bradford How did he do? Spent one year with the Rams, went 4-7 in 11 starts. How it went for the Eagles: Bradford was here only one year and went 7-7 in 14 starts, passing for 3,725 yards with 19 TDs and 14 interceptions in Chip Kelly's final season with the Eagles. SEPT. 4, 2015: Matt Barkley to the Cards for a 7th-round pick [No. 251 overall, LB Joe Walker] How did he do? Spent one year with Cards, didn't start a game. How it went for the Eagles: Walker played one season with the Eagles, playing in 12 games with three starts. He's still in the NFL, most recently in his second stint with Arizona. MARCH 11, 2016: Mark Sanchez to the Broncos for a conditional 7th-round pick [pick did not convey] How did he do? Never played for Broncos. How it went for the Eagles: Sanchez never played for Denver, so the Eagles didn't get anything back. SEPT. 3, 2016: Sam Bradford to the Vikings for a 1st-round pick in 2017 [No. 14 overall] and a 4th-round pick in 2018 [No. 130 overall]. How did he do? Spent two years with the Vikings, went 9-8. How it went for the Eagles: The Eagles drafted a couple edge rushers with the picks they got for Bradford, Derek Barnett in 2017 and Josh Sweat in 2018. Barnett had a disappointing Eagles career with 21½ sacks in five seasons and is expected to leave as a free agent. Sweat had a career-high 7½ sacks this past year and made the Pro Bowl. The Eagles signed him to a three-year, $40 million extension in September. MARCH 17, 2021: Carson Wentz to the Colts for a conditional 2nd-round pick that became a 2022 1st-round pick [No. 16 overall] and a 2021 3rd-round pick [No. 70 overall]. How did he do? Spent one year with the Colts, went 9-8 and then was traded to Washington. How it went for the Eagles: The Eagles will have some pretty good options at 16, including possibly Utah linebacker Devin Lloyd, Florida State edge Jermaine Johnson II and Ohio State WR Garrett Wilson. The Eagles traded No. 70 to the Panthers for No. 73 and No. 191. The Eagles drafted promising DT Milton Williams at No. 73 and DE Tarron Jackson at 191. OCT. 25, 2021: Joe Flacco to the Jets for a 2022 6th-round pick [TBA] How did he do? Spent the second half of the season with the Jets, went 0-1 in one start but played well. Currently a free agent. How it went for the Eagles: It might not seem like much, but the Eagles have landed some decent players in the 6th round, including Jason Kelce, Wilbert Montgomery, Andy Harmon and Quez Watkins. https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/a-look-at-the-eagles-remarkable-history-trading-quarterbacks/200710/#:~:text=Since 1999%2C the Eagles have,The quarterbacks they unloaded%3F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SkippyX Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 RTK doing an actual RTK is Inception level awesome. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle45 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 The Eagles have been brilliant in trading qbs. In general, QBs don’t do well when changing teams. Manning, Brady, and Brees did, but they were obviously special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameshowfan91 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 23 hours ago, NOTW said: You could argue trading Foles for Bradford. That trade ended up getting Chip Kelly fired. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheKoy Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 On 7/21/2023 at 11:20 PM, RememberTheKoy said: They traded Koy Detmer for a roster spot and they regretted it to the point where when they entered the playoffs from the 2006 season they called on Koy Detmer to bring him back and they traded another player on the team for a roster spot to bring Koy back and it was worth it. He held clutch game winning field goal and Akers did not miss that postseason when he otherwise probably would have. Just noticed it now. They say in that clip at that point Akers already was 2/2 with his longest being 48 which was also his longest of the season. First game of the year Koy Detmer is holding for him and he hits his longest of the year. Shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaBeach_Eagle Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 3 hours ago, eagle45 said: In general, QBs don’t do well when changing teams. Manning, Brady, and Brees did, but they were obviously special. But Nick Foles changed teams in 2017 and went on to become the single greatest QB in Super Bowl History... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 The best thing about this FO is for years they usually win the trades. Trading Foles for Bradford was stupid, but that was Chip Kelly so I don’t blame them for him being stupid and arrogant. Still Roseman took his stupidity and turned that into gold and brought back Foles and won a Super Bowl with him to boot. The Eagles know when to walk away from a quarterback. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIRV Griffen Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 On 7/21/2023 at 8:35 PM, NOTW said: You could argue trading Foles for Bradford. I call this a definite yes. Sure Foles had injury problems, but the dude could ball respectable. Bradford was mostly a stiff…and injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted July 27 Author Share Posted July 27 11 hours ago, MIRV Griffen said: I call this a definite yes. Sure Foles had injury problems, but the dude could ball respectable. Bradford was mostly a stiff…and injured. Yes, maybe in the short term it was a bad trade. But two years later the Eagles re-signed Foles and flipped Bradford for a first and fourth that turned out to be Derek Barnett. So big picture, did the Eagles really lose that trade long term? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIRV Griffen Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 13 hours ago, Procus said: Yes, maybe in the short term it was a bad trade. But two years later the Eagles re-signed Foles and flipped Bradford for a first and fourth that turned out to be Derek Barnett. So big picture, did the Eagles really lose that trade long term? Valid point. Definitely an up-front gaff, but it worked out longer term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheKoy Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 On 7/21/2023 at 11:20 PM, RememberTheKoy said: They traded Koy Detmer for a roster spot and they regretted it to the point where when they entered the playoffs from the 2006 season they called on Koy Detmer to bring him back to hold and they traded another player on the team for a roster spot to bring Koy back and it was worth it. He held clutch game winning field goal and Akers did not miss that postseason when he otherwise probably would have. Koy Detmer sent Tiki Barber to retirement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2rock Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 On 7/27/2023 at 7:29 AM, Procus said: Yes, maybe in the short term it was a bad trade. But two years later the Eagles re-signed Foles and flipped Bradford for a first and fourth that turned out to be Derek Barnett. So big picture, did the Eagles really lose that trade long term? We sure were lucky to be able to bring back Foles (hated making the trade that sent him to the Rams at the time it was made) ... otherwise we very likely don't have a Lombardi in our trophy case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 2 minutes ago, time2rock said: We sure were lucky to be able to bring back Foles (hated making the trade that sent him to the Rams at the time it was made) ... otherwise we very likely don't have a Lombardi in our trophy case. Nonsense, I can clearly remember that Nate Sudfeld was unstoppable. UN-STOP-ABLE! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted August 2 Author Share Posted August 2 On 7/27/2023 at 7:29 AM, Procus said: Yes, maybe in the short term it was a bad trade. But two years later the Eagles re-signed Foles and flipped Bradford for a first and fourth that turned out to be Derek Barnett. So big picture, did the Eagles really lose that trade long term? Actually, the 1st pick that got for Bradford turned out to be Barnett (which already paid dividends with his play in the NFCCG and Brady fumble recovery in the SB), and the 4th round pick was Josh Sweat. Sweet return, especially given that the team re-signed Foles a couple of years later and rode him to a SB victory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 On 8/2/2023 at 6:00 PM, Procus said: Actually, the 1st pick that got for Bradford turned out to be Barnett (which already paid dividends with his play in the NFCCG and Brady fumble recovery in the SB), and the 4th round pick was Josh Sweat. Sweet return, especially given that the team re-signed Foles a couple of years later and rode him to a SB victory. When you think about it that way basically Barnett never lived up to his potential, but he made the biggest play of his NFL career when it mattered most. On top of that Josh Sweat turned out to be a much better end than Barnett so that’s kind of a wash too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: When you think about it that way basically Barnett never lived up to his potential, but he made the biggest play of his NFL career when it mattered most. On top of that Josh Sweat turned out to be a much better end than Barnett so that’s kind of a wash too. No doubt. And don't forget that the Vikings were driving for a tying score before he stripped Case Keenum and pretty much put the game on the path of becoming a blowout 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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