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1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

:lol:  It's always the Trumpers wanting to give close friends of a pedo child trafficker that flew on his child trafficking plane the benefit of the doubt.  I wonder why that is.

I haven't checked the political leanings of every person on the lists.  Are they all Republicans?  

3 minutes ago, Captain F said:

I haven't checked the political leanings of every person on the lists.  Are they all Republicans?  

Yup. Even Clinton.

2 minutes ago, Captain F said:

I haven't checked the political leanings of every person on the lists.  Are they all Republicans?  

No, not at all, a lot of them are Democrats or people that don't seem to be particularly political.  And yet, beyond reason, hard core Trump supporters seem to be the only people that want to make certain no one is judged solely by being on a child trafficking pedo's flight logs?  Why would that be?  Can you help me out here?

11 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

No, not at all, a lot of them are Democrats or people that don't seem to be particularly political.  And yet, beyond reason, hard core Trump supporters seem to be the only people that want to make certain no one is judged solely by being on a child trafficking pedo's flight logs?  Why would that be?  Can you help me out here?

Because no one should be judged until proven in the wrong? Anyone involved in that ring should be castrated and taken out to pasture. I don't care who it is. Trump included.  However, potentially destroying people's lives that may genuinely be completely innocent of any wrongdoing, based on their name being associated with Epstein isn't right.  How would you feel if your name was destroyed because someone you know, maybe a friend or even family member was doing something awful and you genuinely did not know? But the association in the eyes of the public is enough to wreck your life.... I give the benefit of the doubt most of the time. Not everyone on those flights is a pedo. Not everyone on those flights knew Epstein was one. Some? Sure.  Most? Maybe.... All? No chance. Have to go 1 by 1 and prove it. Then deal with each person individually.  

 

Just now, vikas83 said:

 

I've literally flown first class with Biden when he was supposedly taking the Amtrak :rolleyes: 

12 hours ago, lynched1 said:

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ESPN about to get that FoxNews treatment. Something tells me we won't be seeing Rodgers on this show much longer.

2 hours ago, Captain F said:

Because no one should be judged until proven in the wrong? Anyone involved in that ring should be castrated and taken out to pasture. I don't care who it is. Trump included.  However, potentially destroying people's lives that may genuinely be completely innocent of any wrongdoing, based on their name being associated with Epstein isn't right.  How would you feel if your name was destroyed because someone you know, maybe a friend or even family member was doing something awful and you genuinely did not know? But the association in the eyes of the public is enough to wreck your life.... I give the benefit of the doubt most of the time. Not everyone on those flights is a pedo. Not everyone on those flights knew Epstein was one. Some? Sure.  Most? Maybe.... All? No chance. Have to go 1 by 1 and prove it. Then deal with each person individually.  

Except there isn't going to be a one-by-one investigation of everyone that flew on the child trafficking plane.  Likely no one faces any criminal charges here.  So, it's about what the public knows about each individual and then combining that with the knowledge that they hung around with Epstein, who most of them probably knew was a pedo. 

We know that Trump knew. In 2002 he said:

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"I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy," Trump told New York magazine in 2002. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."

First of all, WTF.  Dude knew he was a pedo and still thought he was a terrific guy.

Second of all, since there isn't going to be some comprehensive investigation that results in criminal charges and a trial by jury, that kind of quote should influence whether you think he partook.  Then, there's the history of people on the flight logs.  I don't know whether Stephen Hawking was out there grabbing ass (maybe he was although I don't really see how that's physically possible) but we know Trump is a rapist, determined by exactly the kind of investigation you're advocating for before you pass any judgement.  And with Clinton there's more than enough smoke there too.

Basically, it's up to everyone to decide on their own, since the courts aren't going to do that for you (and I doubt you'd believe them anyway, otherwise you'd be anti-Trump already since a court has already determined that he raped someone).  And short of any criminal punishment, the best we can hope for is a social one.  Or an electoral one in a couple cases.  There's only 2 current candidates for President that are on those flight logs.  Trump and RFK Jr.  But there's plenty that aren't.  Haley, DeSantis, Vivek, Christie and Biden.  My advice would be pick one of those just to be safe.

12 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

First of all, WTF.  Dude knew he was a pedo and still thought he was a terrific guy.

 

To be fair, Epstein was almost 50 at the time and by "younger side" he could have meant girls in their early 20s.  That quote is hardly proof that Trump knew he was a pedo.

Just now, paco said:

To be fair, Epstein was almost 50 at the time and by "younger side" he could have meant girls in their early 20s

Yeah, that's a pretty massive stretch.  It's like the nod and wink sheet said about Weinstein being a 'womanizer'.  On top of it, there's plenty of documented instances of Trump F'ing girls in their 20's and he still felt the need to point out that Epstein specifically "liked them on the younger side".

Can we be done with the Epstein thing? I mean, if there's evidence then prosecute people. But this whole narrative of dragging people through the mud because they knew the guy is objectively unfair. It's entirely plausible that Trump went the entirety of his relationship with Epstein never knowing he was a pedo. And someone saying Clinton liked his girls young could simply mean he's the OG Leonardo DiCaprio. What we've learned after years and years of the Epstein investigation is that we only have clear evidence of a few people clearly taking part in pedo activities. It's becoming annoying at this point. Wake me up when it's ACTUALLY a conspiracy.

8 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Yeah, that's a pretty massive stretch.  It's like the nod and wink sheet said about Weinstein being a 'womanizer'.  On top of it, there's plenty of documented instances of Trump F'ing girls in their 20's and he still felt the need to point out that Epstein specifically "liked them on the younger side".

No, it's not.  Trump fancied himself as a playboy who could be with any model he wanted.  By saying he ......

 

.... you know what, forget it.  You're not going to change your mind because your hatred of Trump won't allow you any bit of objectivity and I'm not going to let you make me stick up for Trump because of it.

1 minute ago, paco said:

No, it's not.  Trump fancied himself as a playboy who could be with any model he wanted.  By saying he ......

 

.... you know what, forget it.  You're not going to change your mind because your hatred of Trump won't allow you any bit of objectiveness and I'm not going to let you make me stick up for Trump.

:lol: I have no idea why you'd even attempt to honestly.  He was buddies with a child sex trafficker.  And he's proven to be a rapist himself.  He's definitely not worth giving the benefit of the doubt to.

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

:lol: I have no idea why you'd even attempt to honestly.  He was buddies with a child sex trafficker.  And he's proven to be a rapist himself.  He's definitely not worth giving the benefit of the doubt to.

Cool.

 

Now pretend Clinton said "Wow, that guy is with beautiful women who are on the younger side", does the same apply?  Clinton was also friends with him.  And Clinton has an entire f'n wiki page dedicated to his sexual assault and misconduct allegations

2 minutes ago, paco said:

Cool.

 

Now pretend Clinton said "Wow, that guy is with beautiful women who are on the younger side", does the same apply?  Clinton was also friends with him.  And Clinton has an entire f'n wiki page dedicated to his sexual assault and misconduct allegations

Yeah, absolutely.  I've already said as much about Clinton.  Absolutely no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Just now, VanHammersly said:

Yeah, absolutely.  I've already said as much about Clinton.  Absolutely no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Well, we may not agree on the intention behind that quote but I appreciate your consistency.  

yeah, until there is real evidence on trump being linked to Epstein's sex slaves, lets just stick to what he thinks of his daughter. 

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1 hour ago, Paul852 said:

ESPN about to get that FoxNews treatment. Something tells me we won't be seeing Rodgers on this show much longer.

Defamation Lawsuit coming Rodgers way and right soon.

 

6 hours ago, Paul852 said:

ESPN about to get that FoxNews treatment. Something tells me we won't be seeing Rodgers on this show much longer.

Poor Jimmy

5 hours ago, jsdarkstar said:

Defamation Lawsuit coming Rodgers way and right soon.

I hope he does just read about it getting thrown out. Jimmy's a whiny bish.

11 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

You would think Trump defending Maxwell would have been a red flag…

what do you have against classical electromagnetism?

classicalelectromagnetismist

:nonono:

6 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

yeah, until there is real evidence on trump being linked to Epstein's sex slaves, lets just stick to what he thinks of his daughter. 

To be fair she’s not my daughter and I’d f her. 

5 hours ago, vikas83 said:

 

Foxworthy must only be eating salads. And I don’t mean Tater Salad. 

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