Barr just pulled EDNY AG in charge of Maxwell's prison stay. Likely has more to do with active EDNY investigations into Trump but still something to watch.

On 7/8/2020 at 4:23 PM, paco said:

 

.....and guess what she put on.  There's blood on your hands, Moss.

Did you see the one with the dad who killed his whole family (wife and 3 kids) and buried them under the porch?   Then disappeared.  
 

That was some real life amityville Horror sheete. 

6 hours ago, SNOORDA said:

Did you see the one with the dad who killed his whole family (wife and 3 kids) and buried them under the porch?   Then disappeared.  
 

That was some real life amityville Horror sheete. 

Yes - he’s a family annihilator like John List who was featured on the original Unsolved Mysteries and due to the airing was recognized and caught 18 years after he murdered his family, went on the run, and started a new family. It will be interesting to see if Xavier is also caught due to Unsolved Mysteries. BTW Xavier had 4 kids and also murdered the 2 family dogs. 

I’m so dead

16 hours ago, binkybink77 said:

Yes - he’s a family annihilator like John List who was featured on the original Unsolved Mysteries and due to the airing was recognized and caught 18 years after he murdered his family, went on the run, and started a new family. It will be interesting to see if Xavier is also caught due to Unsolved Mysteries. BTW Xavier had 4 kids and also murdered the 2 family dogs. 

Thats right. He fricken waited for his remaining (oldest) son to come home and hung out with him until he went to sleep and killed him too.  And the dogs.  Why the dogs? Why any of them?  No signs of turmoil at all in him or the family that explain any of it.   They were by all outside appearance the perfect family unit.  
 

Then he Disappeared.  
 

 

1 hour ago, SNOORDA said:

Thats right. He fricken waited for his remaining (oldest) son to come home and hung out with him until he went to sleep and killed him too.  And the dogs.  Why the dogs? Why any of them?  No signs of turmoil at all in him or the family that explain any of it.   They were by all outside appearance the perfect family unit.  
 

Then he Disappeared.  
 

 

According to Unsolved Mysteries everything looked "fine".  But if you read up on him and his family you find out that what they tell you in an hour program is not nearly the whole story.  Apparently he was running around on his wife, had borrowed money from mistresses who were demanding it back, and he was raised by a mother who had paranoid apocalyptic delusions - his sister apparently is in some cult to this effect as well.  He posted some very extreme views on some religious message boards a year before he killed his family.  His mom and sister do not believe he killed his family and have a blog where they explain all of the reasons why they think the family is still alive and that he really is working for some secret agency.  The whole thing is creepy and strange.  I wouldn't be surprised if his family helped him escape or whoever he was having nefarious dealings with arranged something for him (and there is some evidence that he was so broke because he was involved in shady dealings and maybe owed some scary people a lot of money).  I always find myself in various reddit or twitter holes after watching a story like this one because there has to be so much more to it than they had time to show.

 

Oh also family annihilators tend to be deeply narcissistic and sociopathic.  As sociopaths they are able to blend in and seem "normal" on the surface - but as narcissists cannot handle potential ego damaging circumstances such as financial ruin or the embarrassment of failure - the combination causes them to take extreme measures, like killing their family, in order to remedy the situation.

Someone on reddit summarized what Xavier's family has pointed out as support for why they think he is innocent:

 

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• Up to 9 people saw Agnes (the wife) alive after the date the police says she was killed. Some of these people state that they spoke to her and she was normal (some say a bit agitated). She was seen walking the dog after the 4th April, and was also seen with Anne and Bertrand, the two youngest kids.

• The whole Thomas situation : Police claims he killed during the night between 4th and 5th April, however one of his friends claims to have spent the 5th with him and that he was a bit weird. According to the family, he goes to the restaurant with Xavier on the 4th, and then spends the day with his friend on the 5th. He gets a call in the evening from his dad that Agnes was in a little coma after a bike incident, but is ok. He then messages Agnes, who replies (police says she is already dead by then). So he goes home to visit his mother, and supposedly arrives home a little before midnight and starts watching a movie with Xavier, not finding it weird that the house is completely empty of his family ?

• The following few days Agnes is in regular contact with the kids' friends who are worried about their absence. She records a new greeting message for Anne (the daughter)'s voicemail. Xavier does a lot of back and forth with Arthur and Thomas's flats, to empty everything. Witnesses say he was perfectly decontracted and completely normal.

• Xavier left detailed letters to his family about what to do with the house, their belongings, the contracts, etc. He left the key to the basement, which you could only access through a door in the garden right next to where the bodies were, right on the table with a paper stating that it was the basement door. He left multiple copies of the house keys in a hiding place outside the house and told his family members where they were, so they could enter and empty the house. It looks as if he was not worried at all that people would be coming and going in the house, and garden, and basement.

• Apparently things seemed to be moved in the house after the supposed departure of Xavier. The family says police reports were inconsistent, talking about a tablecoth that would sometimes be there, sometimes not. Cleaning equipment being moved as well. They mention that on the day that the police found the bodies, there was a bucket and mop in the kitchen, and the mop was still wet. They also say that the slab of concrete on top of the bodies was still soft, which could indicate that it was laid much more recently than Xavier's departure.

• Arthur sent a written and signed resignation letter to his boss. It was never analysed by police to see if it really came from him.

• The autopsy seems botched. On the 21st April, the bodies are found. Their individual death certificates are made right on site as soon as they are taken out of the ground. Without DNA testing, or anyone to attest to their identity. The police released details to the family that were not consistent with the victims : they confused Thomas and Arthur, gave heights and weights that did not seem accurate (too short and thin for Arthur, way too heavy for Agnes), described Agnes as a brunette (when she clearly had grey/white hair).

• To dig the holes where the bodies were found, Xavier would have had to move over 1 ton of soil. While in an area where you could not stand up. And all while making sure that this did not leave any trace or indication.

 

 

4 minutes ago, binkybink77 said:

According to Unsolved Mysteries everything looked "fine".  But if you read up on him and his family you find out that what they tell you in an hour program is not nearly the whole story.  Apparently he was running around on his wife, had borrowed money from mistresses who were demanding it back, and he was raised by a mother who had paranoid apocalyptic delusions - his sister apparently is in some cult to this effect as well.  He posted some very extreme views on some religious message boards a year before he killed his family.  His mom and sister do not believe he killed his family and have a blog where they explain all of the reasons why they think the family is still alive and that he really is working for some secret agency.  The whole thing is creepy and strange.  I wouldn't be surprised if his family helped him escape or whoever he was having nefarious dealings with arranged something for him (and there is some evidence that he was so broke because he was involved in shady dealings and maybe owed some scary people a lot of money).  I always find myself in various reddit or twitter holes after watching a story like this one because there has to be so much more to it than they had time to show.

I figured there was much more to it.  Unsolved mysteries wants it to look more mysterious but from that info you provided it brings the puzzle pieces together. 
 

How does someone like that manage to have and raise 4 kids to that point is mind blowing to me.  

10 minutes ago, binkybink77 said:

Someone on reddit summarized what Xavier's family has pointed out as support for why they think he is innocent:

 

 

And no blood in a house were he shot 5 people and 2 dogs? 

3 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

I figured there was much more to it.  Unsolved mysteries wants it to look more mysterious but from that info you provided it brings the puzzle pieces together. 
 

How does someone like that manage to have and raise 4 kids to that point is mind blowing to me.  

Like I said in the added part to my post above - he's a sociopath.  They are very good a mimicking normalcy and behaving like everyone else.  He was probably also a narcissist which made him feel it was necessary to do something extreme and the sociopath in him didn't have the conscience to stop him from acting it out.

1 minute ago, SNOORDA said:

And no blood in a house were he shot 5 people and 2 dogs? 

They actually did find blood on a mop and one of the chairs. 

But the lack of physical evidence like blood is the really fascinating part to me.  Like how did he execute the whole thing, clean up, drag all of the bodies outside, bury them in that crawl space, and leave barely a trace of evidence.  I have to wonder if he didn't have an accomplice in the form of a professional - like I said he may have had nefarious dealings with some unsavory people.

1 hour ago, binkybink77 said:

Like I said in the added part to my post above - he's a sociopath.  They are very good a mimicking normalcy and behaving like everyone else.  He was probably also a narcissist which made him feel it was necessary to do something extreme and the sociopath in him didn't have the conscience to stop him from acting it out.

Those are the worse. 

2 hours ago, binkybink77 said:

They actually did find blood on a mop and one of the chairs. 

But the lack of physical evidence like blood is the really fascinating part to me.  Like how did he execute the whole thing, clean up, drag all of the bodies outside, bury them in that crawl space, and leave barely a trace of evidence.  I have to wonder if he didn't have an accomplice in the form of a professional - like I said he may have had nefarious dealings with some unsavory people.

They were supposably all shot in the head twice right while sleeping in bed right?   That would mean bloody pillows at the very least  

 

I watched the most recent edition of Unsolved Mysteries about the death of Rey Rivera. Very strange. His brother, Angel, is a local radio broadcaster, so this case has been talked about for a few years here.

6 minutes ago, hey suess said:

I watched the most recent edition of Unsolved Mysteries about the death of Rey Rivera. Very strange...his brother, Angel, is a local radio broadcaster, so this case has been talked about for a few years here.

Im gunna check that out tonight 

 

Somebody needs to give Shulz a late night show 

2 hours ago, hey suess said:

I watched the most recent edition of Unsolved Mysteries about the death of Rey Rivera. Very strange. His brother, Angel, is a local radio broadcaster, so this case has been talked about for a few years here.

That was the first episode.  Talk about depressing.  I watched the second episode last night about Patrice. That one was even more depressing...  lol

Binky and Snoorda are talking about the third episode I believe.

20 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

That was the first episode.  Talk about depressing.  I watched the second episode last night about Patrice. That one was even more depressing...  lol

Binky and Snoorda are talking about the third episode I believe.

I thought Unsolved Mysteries has been on forever??

5 minutes ago, hey suess said:

I thought Unsolved Mysteries has been on forever??

I thought you were talking about the new episodes on Netflix, but maybe it’s also still on TV???

Just now, Dave Moss said:

I thought you were talking about the new episodes on Netflix, but maybe it’s also TV???

I definitely watched the Rey Rivera one on Netflix, but I just assumed it was, like, season 40 Episode 1. 🤔🤷‍♂️

12 minutes ago, hey suess said:

I definitely watched the Rey Rivera one on Netflix, but I just assumed it was, like, season 40 Episode 1. 🤔🤷‍♂️

Lol.  Yeah, I guess it probably is.  This is all Netflix has though (as far as I know).

just wanted to check in and remind everyone that, Epstein didn't kill himself.

 

 

 

FYI she was denied bail.

4 hours ago, rambo said:

FYI she was denied bail.

Either she names names or spends the rest of her life (which may not be very long) in prison.