August 18, 20232 yr 30 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Biden goes to the beach, Maui catches on fire. Coincidence? That's an interesting question to just be asking.
August 18, 20232 yr so, any update on the white house & congress working on getting some more assistance approved for this catastrophe ?
August 18, 20232 yr 16 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: so, any update on the white house & congress working on getting some more assistance approved for this catastrophe ? I haven't been paying attention much, but I'll guess the Dems and Reps will make it into some kind of partisan fight which will delay and diminish aid. Actually, I could guess that about almost anything and have a pretty good chance of being right.
August 18, 20232 yr 35 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: so, any update on the white house & congress working on getting some more assistance approved for this catastrophe ? President Joe Biden’s $12 billion request for disaster aid is expected to grow, as lawmakers push for additional money to rebuild after Hawaii’s destructive wildfires. FEMA Administrator Deanne Criswell and key lawmakers have said more funding could be needed to respond to the damage in Hawaii. Biden last week had already asked Congress for $12 billion in additional funds for FEMA as part of a $40 billion package including aid to Ukraine. The growing disaster aid costs may complicate an already difficult series of spending negotiations when lawmakers return to Washington in September, facing an end-of-month deadline to avert a government shutdown. Any delay in talks could also slow the delivery of funds to disaster victims. ... FEMA has enough money to respond to immediate needs, but it may ultimately need more than the $12 billion Biden requested, Criswell told reporters Wednesday. Biden faces a tricky path to getting disaster funding from Congress. GOP members are also broadly opposed to emergency funding that is exempt from the spending limits set under the debt limit agreement enacted in June. Senators return from August recess Sept. 5 and House members return Sept. 12. The short runway to a spending deal may lead lawmakers to tie a supplemental spending request to a continuing resolution to keep the government from shutting down. https://about.bgov.com/news/what-to-know-in-washington-hawaii-fires-raise-funding-requests/
August 18, 20232 yr 19 minutes ago, Kz! said: The incompetence of government officials in Maui is absolutely staggering. He's the actual meme
August 18, 20232 yr 22 minutes ago, Kz! said: The incompetence of government officials in Maui is absolutely staggering. The siren in question is for tsunamis. It’s not unreasonable to think that sounding them would have made the situation worse. Most of the criticism needs to go to the electric company for not spending the money on upgrading the power grid to make the system safer. Good for them we have Monopoly money and cans just print $12 trillion to help them out
August 18, 20232 yr 58 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: The siren in question is for tsunamis. It’s not unreasonable to think that sounding them would have made the situation worse. Whoo boy
August 18, 20232 yr Obviously the sirens were for tsunamis, but by no means were they only for tsunamis, they were for any type of hazard, it says so right there on their own website. They've settled on their excuse and the easily fooled are all too happy to try to help them escape the accountability they deserve https://www.mauicounty.gov/70/Emergency-Management-Agency Quote Outdoor Warning Sirens The Outdoor Warning Siren system is one layer of many to keep Maui County residents informed of an immediate threat to life. The Outdoor Warning Siren system is used during an emergency to alert residents who are outdoors to seek further information or direction from your cell phone, radio, or television. https://www.mauisirens.com/ Siren quick facts. Hawaii has the largest single integrated public safety outdoor siren warning system in the world. The all-hazard siren system can be used for a variety of both natural and human-caused events; including tsunamis, hurricanes, dam breaches, flooding, wildfires, volcanic eruptions, terrorist threats, hazardous material incidents, and more. The sirens output is 121 decibels and propagate with a manufacture radius of 3400ft. This range may vary due to environmental and surrounding physical conditions. The sirens are battery-powered and use a photovoltaic charging system. The sirens are one part of the larger Hawaii Statewide Alert and Warning System (SAWS) which includes FEMA’s Integrated Public Alert & Warning System (IPAWS) which used both the Emergency Alert System (EAS) and Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEA) to alert the public. When a siren tone is heard other than a scheduled test, tune into local Radio/TV/Cable stations for emergency information and instructions by official authorities. If you are in a low laying area near the coastline; evacuate to high grounds, inland, or vertically to the 4th floor and higher of a concrete building. Alerts may also come in form of a Wireless Emergency Alert.
August 18, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said: The siren in question is for tsunamis. It’s not unreasonable to think that sounding them would have made the situation worse. Most of the criticism needs to go to the electric company for not spending the money on upgrading the power grid to make the system safer. Good for them we have Monopoly money and cans just print $12 trillion to help them out Also, all the idiots who had to have non-native grasses, which apparently, spread fires quite well when Hawaii is dry and windy.
August 18, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, The_Omega said: They've settled on their excuse and the easily fooled are all too happy to try to help them escape the accountability they deserve You are the last mofoer who should point fingers about being easily fooled and not holding people accountable. I’m not excusing anyone, I’m just not judging someone for making a decision in a situation that I have no clue in understanding. But go ahead and think you would have made different decision because you read a website after the fact.
August 18, 20232 yr Just now, Tnt4philly said: You are the last mofoer who should point fingers about being easily fooled and not holding people accountable. I’m not excusing anyone, I’m just not judging someone for making a decision in a situation that I have no clue in understanding. But go ahead and think you would have made different decision because you read a website after the fact. It’s really not that hard to understand. The sirens are to warn for hazardous conditions, including wildfires. They didn’t use them and are now changing definitions to excuse why. You’re simply accepting and parroting their dishonest excuses.
August 18, 20232 yr https://www.npr.org/2023/08/14/1193661132/a-history-of-hawaiis-sirens-and-the-difference-it-could-have-made-against-maui-f
August 18, 20232 yr from the outside looking in, the sirens would've possibly helped the people that didn't notice the alerts already sent out via cell phones, tv & radio. so why not ?
August 18, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: Even if they causes a panic, it makes sense to me to sound them. 1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said: from the outside looking in, the sirens would've possibly helped the people that didn't notice the alerts already sent out via cell phones, tv & radio. so why not ? Maybe so but the poor soul who had to make that decision didn’t have the luxury of hindsight. I wouldn’t want to be in their position then or now. If they have even the slightest presence of a heart, they have to be second guessing themselves to no end right now.
August 18, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Maybe so but the poor soul who had to make that decision didn’t have the luxury of hindsight. I wouldn’t want to be in their position then or now. If they have even the slightest presence of a heart, they have to be second guessing themselves to no end right now. I'm not blaming the guy. He had a call, he made it, might not have been the best. That is the real world.
August 19, 20232 yr On 8/16/2023 at 7:00 PM, Toastrel said: Out on work furlough? Nope. Been damned busy this summer. Still have to do cam swap in the hotrod yet.
August 21, 20232 yr Author One thing is for sure, Americans (outside of CVON of course) are NOT happy with the Biden administration. He may even be going there next week, but alas, as we have learned in CVON, he shouldn't go because he'd just be in the way. But I guess in the minds of those who said that, now that he announced he's going, that no longer applies. https://www.foxnews.com/media/americans-critical-bidens-response-maui-devastation-kind-president Americans critical of Biden’s response to Maui devastation: ‘What kind of president is he?’ Biden set to visit a devastated Maui as Americans criticize his response to the disaster Biden's "no comment" responses to reporters questions hasn't been viewed favorably either. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hawaii-democrat-says-bidens-no-comment-wildfires-shocking-i-expect-more Hawaii Democrat says Biden's ‘no comment’ on wildfires ‘shocking’: ‘I would expect more’
August 21, 20232 yr 50 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Fox News viewers are not happy with a democrat in the WH. I’m shocked. 😂😂😂😂 They were every bit as critical of Trump when.... Trump visited Puerto Rico two weeks after the hurricane. Biden to visit Maui two weeks after the wild fire. If Biden throws paper towels, then he will be even with Trump in measured response.
August 21, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Procus said: One thing is for sure, Americans (outside of CVON of course) are NOT happy with the Biden administration. He may even be going there next week, but alas, as we have learned in CVON, he shouldn't go because he'd just be in the way. But I guess in the minds of those who said that, now that he announced he's going, that no longer applies. My stance remains the same. It is too much of a distraction to have the POTUS, regardless of their party, visit disaster sites.
August 21, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, Procus said: One thing is for sure, Americans (outside of CVON of course) are NOT happy with the Biden administration. He may even be going there next week, but alas, as we have learned in CVON, he shouldn't go because he'd just be in the way. But I guess in the minds of those who said that, now that he announced he's going, that no longer applies. https://www.foxnews.com/media/americans-critical-bidens-response-maui-devastation-kind-president Americans critical of Biden’s response to Maui devastation: ‘What kind of president is he?’ Biden set to visit a devastated Maui as Americans criticize his response to the disaster Biden's "no comment" responses to reporters questions hasn't been viewed favorably either. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hawaii-democrat-says-bidens-no-comment-wildfires-shocking-i-expect-more Hawaii Democrat says Biden's ‘no comment’ on wildfires ‘shocking’: ‘I would expect more’ your piss poor trolling attempts are way too transparent, glassman. don't you have an election to deny still ?
August 21, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, Tnt4philly said: My stance remains the same. It is too much of a distraction to have the POTUS, regardless of their party, visit disaster sites. It's like none of these people even saw that episode of The West Wing.
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