2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

When 0 of them come in the SB not enough

I'm still bitter that the SB turf was like an ice-skating rink. I think that had a lot to do with the lack of a pass rush. 

19 minutes ago, Kz! said:

I'm still bitter that the SB turf was like an ice-skating rink. I think that had a lot to do with the lack of a pass rush. 

Yeah, I try not to use that as an excuse because it sounds like "sour grapes". Plus people always say "both teams played on it". However, the Dline was the Eagles advantage. Funny enough, before the SB the Bengals would have been a better matchup on paper but with the field I actually think we would have gotten torched by Burrow the entire game (and the Bengals defense is better).

14 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Yeah, I try not to use that as an excuse because it sounds like "sour grapes". Plus people always say "both teams played on it". However, the Dline was the Eagles advantage. Funny enough, before the SB the Bengals would have been a better matchup on paper but with the field I actually think we would have gotten torched by Burrow the entire game (and the Bengals defense is better).

Yep, I definitely think it hurt us a lot worse than it hurt them. Our pass rush was pretty dominant throughout the playoffs, and Reddick especially was on an absolute tear. He just couldn't take the corner with his speed rush without falling down. Still pisses me off when I think about it. 

9 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Yep, I definitely think it hurt us a lot worse than it hurt them. Our pass rush was pretty dominant throughout the playoffs, and Reddick especially was on an absolute tear. He just couldn't take the corner with his speed rush without falling down. Still pisses me off when I think about it. 

Yeah, I should have drank more during that game. Hopefully we have the opportunity this year.

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Yep, I definitely think it hurt us a lot worse than it hurt them. Our pass rush was pretty dominant throughout the playoffs, and Reddick especially was on an absolute tear. He just couldn't take the corner with his speed rush without falling down. Still pisses me off when I think about it. 

They continued to comment on how bad the field conditions still are in that sheethole of a stadium even during the preseason games. 

On 9/1/2023 at 6:16 AM, judunno said:

Never enough in the trenches. You've been here long enough to know what their philosophy is. One that won them a Super Bowl. Further, I'll put money on our RBs this year being more productive than Seattle's. They're going to need DE with Graham likely retiring and Barnett likely moved. Not much depth at OL who know's how much longer Lane will play. Kelce is likely done after this year so going to need OG depth. They'll draft CB before they draft RB high. RB & LB are not priorities for them.

Never enough in the trenches is silly.

Every position should be a priority if it needs to be addressed so their philosophy isn't the way to go as far as I'm concerned. 

It seems to me is their philosophy is to spend a lot more of Lurie's money after failing to prioritize positions they could have easily addressed in the drafts.  See, Bradbury, Slay, Blount, Ajayi,  Jeffrey, Jenkins and etc.   

On 9/1/2023 at 10:38 AM, Kz! said:

I know, I hate having dominant offensive and defensive lines when we could focus on loading up on bottom of the roster guys who contribute on special teams. 

No, focus on top of the line RBs, LBs and CBs with out breaking the bank via free agency with players at the end of their careers, this way you can sustain a winning tradition instead of a  one and done 2017 victory.

17 hours ago, EagleVA said:

Never enough in the trenches is silly.

Every position should be a priority if it needs to be addressed so their philosophy isn't the way to go as far as I'm concerned. 

It seems to me is their philosophy is to spend a lot more of Lurie's money after failing to prioritize positions they could have easily addressed in the drafts.  See, Bradbury, Slay, Blount, Ajayi,  Jeffrey, Jenkins and etc.   

When is the last time that we had a poor running game? Our run game has been fine with this philosophy especially when the OL is dominant and the priority is protecting the QB. Further pay attention to what the rest of the league is doing. This isn't just an Eagles phenomenon. The league doesn't even want to pay nor draft RB and Off Ball LBs with significant assets. Remove your old school lens and look around at how the game has evolved.

5 hours ago, judunno said:

When is the last time that we had a poor running game? Our run game has been fine with this philosophy especially when the OL is dominant and the priority is protecting the QB. Further pay attention to what the rest of the league is doing. This isn't just an Eagles phenomenon. The league doesn't even want to pay nor draft RB and Off Ball LBs with significant assets. Remove your old school lens and look around at how the game has evolved.

No, I think you need to remove your new age lens and see how the dynasties won, Beichick's Pats, Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys, and Walsh's 49ers, all threw and ran the ball well. This evolution of the game you speak of is why there no longer exist dynasties.  You want to stop AR's budding dynasty, get yourself  strong running game, if the Eagles had one last year they win that SB  

You see, the game of football hasn't changed, it's still about scoring more points than your opponent by running and throwing like the dynasties did.   You want to stop your opponent from scoring a bunch of points, control the game via the run and keep their offense on the sideline looking and stop them from doing likewise with a strong defense anchored by your LBs.  What's the point in scoring in 2 minutes just to give your opponent his chance to score in 2 minutes, see the Buffalo/KC championship game 2 years ago.  You want to get a lead and then play keep away via the run.

Moral of the story, new doesn't mean better. 

1 hour ago, EagleVA said:

No, I think you need to remove your new age lens and see how the dynasties won, Beichick's Pats, Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys, and Walsh's 49ers, all threw and ran the ball well. This evolution of the game you speak of is why there no longer exist dynasties.  You want to stop AR's budding dynasty, get yourself  strong running game, if the Eagles had one last year they win that SB  

You see, the game of football hasn't changed, it's still about scoring more points than your opponent by running and throwing like the dynasties did.   You want to stop your opponent from scoring a bunch of points, control the game via the run and keep their offense on the sideline looking and stop them from doing likewise with a strong defense anchored by your LBs.  What's the point in scoring in 2 minutes just to give your opponent his chance to score in 2 minutes, see the Buffalo/KC championship game 2 years ago.  You want to get a lead and then play keep away via the run.

Moral of the story, new doesn't mean better. 

Pats had a RBBC when they won their Super Bowls. Jimmy Johnson and Walsh were how long ago again... i cant remember it's been decades. Time for you to accept how this new era of football is played champ. Oh Eagles won their only Superbowl with wait for it... RBBC.

On 9/3/2023 at 4:01 PM, EagleVA said:

You see, the game of football hasn't changed, it's still about scoring more points than your opponent by running and throwing like the dynasties did.

Wow, this is really profound. Wonder why teams don't try to do that anymore?

On 9/3/2023 at 5:53 PM, judunno said:

Pats had a RBBC when they won their Super Bowls. Jimmy Johnson and Walsh were how long ago again... i cant remember it's been decades. Time for you to accept how this new era of football is played champ. Oh Eagles won their only Superbowl with wait for it... RBBC.

Pre-salary cap anyway

9 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Wow, this is really profound. Wonder why teams don't try to do that anymore?

EagleVA is stuck in the past when there was no salary cap. Then forgets that New England won mostly because of their HOF arguably goat of a QB that played most of his career without a dominant RB but with RBBC. In this era with the salary cap teams can't afford to spend big money and draft assets on RBs and offball LBs and still field a competitive team. This is a QB passing attack driven league. Emphasis is on protecting the QB and pass rushing the QB.

1 minute ago, judunno said:

EagleVA is stuck in the past when there was no salary cap. Then forgets that New England won mostly because of their HOF arguably goat of a QB that played most of his career without a dominant RB but with RBBC. In this era with the salary cap teams can't afford to spend big money on RBs and LBs and still field a competitive team. This is a QB passing attack driven league. Emphasis is on protecting the QB and pass rushing the QB.

The funny thing is, the most important factor in having a "strong running game" is putting together an elite offensive line which is what he's bizarrely complaining about. And guess what? We actually did have a really strong running game last year. We were fifth in rushing yards per game. The only teams better were the Bears, Ravens, Falcons, and Giants - two awful teams, and two mediocre teams that barely made the playoffs including one that we absolutely demolished in the playoffs. 

7 minutes ago, Kz! said:

The funny thing is, the most important factor in having a "strong running game" is putting together an elite offensive line which is what he's bizarrely complaining about. And guess what? We actually did have a really strong running game last year. We were fifth in rushing yards per game. The only teams better were the Bears, Ravens, Falcons, and Giants - two awful teams, and two mediocre teams that barely made the playoffs including one that we absolutely demolished in the playoffs. 

The Eagles running game will again be tops in the league. Unfortunately the RB position has become like the Expendables of the NFL. We have 4 good ones. Expendables 4? :)

On 9/3/2023 at 5:53 PM, judunno said:

Pats had a RBBC when they won their Super Bowls. Jimmy Johnson and Walsh were how long ago again... i cant remember it's been decades. Time for you to accept how this new era of football is played champ. Oh Eagles won their only Superbowl with wait for it... RBBC.

I have no problem with RBBC, just just have a variety of running styles and know when and how to use them.

10 hours ago, EagleVA said:

I have no problem with RBBC, just just have a variety of running styles and know when and how to use them.

They do have variety. They have some pass catching make you miss options, Penny provides the power run past you option. This will be a top 5 running game. Further, I'm not worried at all about the offense. They can have long clock killing drives when they want to.  It's the defense that needs to bring it when it matters.

On 9/6/2023 at 10:37 AM, judunno said:

They can have long clock killing drives when they want to.  It's the defense that needs to bring it when it matters.

So are you saying they didn't want to kill the clock in the second half of the SB when they had a 10 point lead?

One more time, a ball controlling run game is your best defense, if they ain't got the ball they can't score.

1 hour ago, EagleVA said:

So are you saying they didn't want to kill the clock in the second half of the SB when they had a 10 point lead?

One more time, a ball controlling run game is your best defense, if they ain't got the ball they can't score.

The Eagles dominated TOP in the Super Bowl. The offense was fine save the one turnover which unfortunately did contribute to the L since the defense under Mr. Gannon couldn't get stops when it mattered. The defense laid a big one plain and simple.