November 10, 20231 yr 12 hours ago, flyerdog said: yes...we all laughed at Andy when he drafted Lito and Sheldon back to back...but Sheldon, at least, worked out for us...just ask Reggie Bush the D-Line is pretty much set for a couple years with Jalen C and Jordan D. So it actually makes sense to draft CB high in 2024...but my guess is that they will look for Lane's replacement in the first round Or Graham and Barnett’s replacement. IMO that’s a spot where they could draft a guy in the middle rounds and let Stoutland groom a bit, because Lane hasn’t indicated he’s leaving just yet. They need high level corners now.
November 10, 20231 yr 14 hours ago, judunno said: He hurt his feet. That's not physicality related... probably bad shoe related. LB coverage woes are scheme related IMO. They're getting unfavorable matchups. He had the peck thing and now two feet injuries injuries in the same season. This guys has more hype than production. Also did you see the stat where he’s been worse in coverage than Gerry was? Was it the coaches fault Gerry sucked too?
November 10, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, Swoop said: A bit? Yes. People have gobbled up that narrative and run with it. Nakobe Dean's coverage grades over the last 3 games: 66.1, 41.7, 59.3. James Bradberry's coverage grades over the last 3 games: 38.1, 50.0, 43.2 Eli Ricks: 69.7, 31.9, 30.9 Sydney Brown: 59.2, 57.2, 35.3 Kevin Byard (Last 2 with us): 60.3, 56.6 While Dean has had the most struggles in coverage of the LBs thus far, he really hasn't been "the glaring weakness" on this team in coverage. His struggles are to be expected as a young LB in the NFL. He should improve moving forward. I'm much more concerned with the large drop in play by Bradberry. Players like Ricks and S. Brown are rookies and playing like rookies. Byard hasn't been here long enough to feel comfortable yet. Nakobe Dean now has 4 career starts --- let that sink in.
November 10, 20231 yr 6 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: He had the peck thing and now two feet injuries injuries in the same season. This guys has more hype than production. Also did you see the stat where he’s been worse in coverage than Gerry was? Was it the coaches fault Gerry sucked too? Who's hyping Dean? Practically everyone in these boards are down on him and favor Morrow. The peck thing was from a bench press injury in prep for the combine. In college he didn't miss a game. Feet... that's not a physicality thing where he's getting punished. He's got bad feet. Ish happens. As for Gerry I never analyzed Gerry but if he were constantly in mismatches with speedy RBs/Receivers and Dominant TEs then yeah the scheme wasn't helping him enough.
November 10, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, judunno said: Who's hyping Dean? Practically everyone in these boards are down on him and favor Morrow. The peck thing was from a bench press injury in prep for the combine. In college he didn't miss a game. Feet... that's not a physicality thing where he's getting punished. He's got bad feet. Ish happens. As for Gerry I never analyzed Gerry but if he were constantly in mismatches with speedy RBs/Receivers and Dominant TEs then yeah the scheme wasn't helping him enough. You may not have noticed but Dean was very much hyped up around here once he was drafted, and also in the local media. He was basically anointed the starter this season as well. Now you can claim that it’s the schemes is at fault for Gerry being poor in coverage, but my retort to that is if that were the case why isn’t Gerry in the league now? I don’t know for me claiming the scheme is why Gerry sucked is like claiming the scheme is why JJAW or Reagor sucked. Sometimes it could be scheme related, but sometimes the player just isn’t quite good enough. I could see if Dean had one issue. Not very good in coverage, but stays on the field and plays well against the run. Unfortunately he has two issues at least. He can’t cover and he can’t stay healthy. Furthermore in this same scheme we have seen other linebackers out play him. It’s hard to claim it’s the scheme while other players are doing well in it. Overall Dean’s first two seasons with the Eagles have been a disaster.
November 10, 20231 yr 5 hours ago, brkmsn said: Yes. People have gobbled up that narrative and run with it. Nakobe Dean's coverage grades over the last 3 games: 66.1, 41.7, 59.3. James Bradberry's coverage grades over the last 3 games: 38.1, 50.0, 43.2 Eli Ricks: 69.7, 31.9, 30.9 Sydney Brown: 59.2, 57.2, 35.3 Kevin Byard (Last 2 with us): 60.3, 56.6 While Dean has had the most struggles in coverage of the LBs thus far, he really hasn't been "the glaring weakness" on this team in coverage. His struggles are to be expected as a young LB in the NFL. He should improve moving forward. I'm much more concerned with the large drop in play by Bradberry. Players like Ricks and S. Brown are rookies and playing like rookies. Byard hasn't been here long enough to feel comfortable yet. Nakobe Dean now has 4 career starts --- let that sink in. I think you're taking the argument in an entirely different direction than what I was getting at. He, like the rest of the team, has been terrible in coverage. The defense often gets better, at least seemingly, when he's not on the field. I couldn't care less about Bradberry or Ricks as it pertains to this specific conversation. Dean has struggled. That's not to say he can't or won't improve. Though, the whole team needs to improve in that area.
November 10, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said: You may not have noticed but Dean was very much hyped up around here once he was drafted, and also in the local media. He was basically anointed the starter this season as well. Now you can claim that it’s the schemes is at fault for Gerry being poor in coverage, but my retort to that is if that were the case why isn’t Gerry in the league now? I don’t know for me claiming the scheme is why Gerry sucked is like claiming the scheme is why JJAW or Reagor sucked. Sometimes it could be scheme related, but sometimes the player just isn’t quite good enough. I could see if Dean had one issue. Not very good in coverage, but stays on the field and plays well against the run. Unfortunately he has two issues at least. He can’t cover and he can’t stay healthy. Furthermore in this same scheme we have seen other linebackers out play him. It’s hard to claim it’s the scheme while other players are doing well in it. Overall Dean’s first two seasons with the Eagles have been a disaster. We just saw a game where the LBs were matched up with Lamb and Turbin. If the biggest complaint is coverage I'm going to give the LBs benefit of the doubt. This is a Desai problem more than anything. Sure the talent might not be there for the LBs to be great coverage guys. You don't compound that by having these guys face superior pass catchers. They haven't been matching up the personnel groupings and the communication has been horrid for whatever reason. Likely the musical chairs with the LBs and secondary. I haven't see one game where theyre not blowing coverages. If you want to blame Dean for not being able to cover WRs and RBs have at it. There's a bigger problem 'afoot' here IMO
November 10, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, judunno said: We just saw a game where the LBs were matched up with Lamb and Turbin. If the biggest complaint is coverage I'm going to give the LBs benefit of the doubt. This is a Desai problem more than anything. Sure the talent might not be there for the LBs to be great coverage guys. You don't compound that by having these guys face superior pass catchers. They haven't been matching up the personnel groupings and the communication has been horrid for whatever reason. Likely the musical chairs with the LBs and secondary. I haven't see one game where theyre not blowing coverages. If you want to blame Dean for not being able to cover WRs and RBs have at it. There's a bigger problem 'afoot' here IMO Dean wasn’t just covering WRs. He’s been mostly covering TEs and backs. It’s been more of Cunningham, Brown, and Blankenship covering those guys, but not Dean. I think that will right itself once Roby comes back to play the slot though. Ultimately when Dean is out the lineup I don’t feel it’s been a major loss. If there’s no major loss then there isn’t a major impact. There’s a few other young guys who would be far more impactful if they went down to injury on this team than him.
November 10, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said: Dean wasn’t just covering WRs. He’s been mostly covering TEs and backs. It’s been more of Cunningham, Brown, and Blankenship covering those guys, but not Dean. I think that will right itself once Roby comes back to play the slot though. Ultimately when Dean is out the lineup I don’t feel it’s been a major loss. If there’s no major loss then there isn’t a major impact. There’s a few other young guys who would be far more impactful if they went down to injury on this team than him. Trying to show how these coverage stats don't always tell the full story. Without knowing the coverage responsibilities and considering who the LBs are covering, it's hard to judge them harshly when we see the obvious mismatches and communication issues week after week. Roby helps but they need a better answer than having LBs in certain situations covering WRs one on one. That's just crazy to expect them to hold up in those situations.
November 10, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, judunno said: Trying to show how these coverage stats don't always tell the full story. Without knowing the coverage responsibilities and considering who the LBs are covering, it's hard to judge them harshly when we see the obvious mismatches and communication issues week after week. Roby helps but they need a better answer than having LBs in certain situations covering WRs one on one. That's just crazy to expect them to hold up in those situations. For the record I really hated some of those schemes we were running against Dallas. Why in the world was Lamb being ignored or covered by linebackers and safeties in single coverage? I’m not trying to absolve Desai from his mistakes, but I’m not excusing Dean from how little impact he’s had in two seasons either.
November 14, 20231 yr Author It doesn't look like they've placed Dean on IR yet (he is still lised on the active roster on PE.com): https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/players-roster/ Guessing there is no rush due to the bye week and that he'll be added to it before the KC game where he'll then miss a minimum of 4 games. They'll need that roster spot for Jurgens since they are currently at 53.
November 15, 20231 yr On 11/14/2023 at 7:02 AM, time2rock said: It doesn't look like they've placed Dean on IR yet (he is still lised on the active roster on PE.com): https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/players-roster/ Guessing there is no rush due to the bye week and that he'll be added to it before the KC game where he'll then miss a minimum of 4 games. They'll need that roster spot for Jurgens since they are currently at 53. I just saw the Eagles have opened the practice window for Evans. My guess is once we get closer to game day that’s when something happens. There’s no way Dean isn’t going to IR with that type of injury unless he was misdiagnosed and I highly doubt that is the case.
November 15, 20231 yr Author 27 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: I just saw the Eagles have opened the practice window for Evans. My guess is once we get closer to game day that’s when something happens. There’s no way Dean isn’t going to IR with that type of injury unless he was misdiagnosed and I highly doubt that is the case. Thinking they'll use that spot for Jurgens before Evans. They'll need to clear a 2nd spot to bring both back.
November 15, 20231 yr 23 minutes ago, time2rock said: Thinking they'll use that spot for Jurgens before Evans. They'll need to clear a 2nd spot to bring both back. Sounds like Barnett could be expendable.
November 15, 20231 yr With Roby likely to be ready, Josiah Scott will likely get released and they'll hope to add him to the PS. I suspect they'll add Goedert to IR. They won't want to try rushing him back 3 weeks from now. Calcaterra is also a question mark if everybody feels caution is best for him moving forward.
November 16, 20231 yr Author As expected, Dean was placed on IR today. https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/eagles-news/eagles-place-nakobe-dean-on-ir-again-likely-ending-his-season/546697/ He’ll be eligible to return for the Seattle game.
November 17, 20231 yr 7 hours ago, time2rock said: As expected, Dean was placed on IR today. https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/eagles-news/eagles-place-nakobe-dean-on-ir-again-likely-ending-his-season/546697/ He’ll be eligible to return for the Seattle game. I don’t think this is a realistic expectation. Like a hamstring injury the Lysfranc is a complicated injury that could be long term problematic. It could take up to a year to heal depending on how severe the injury is.
November 17, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: I don’t think this is a realistic expectation. Like a hamstring injury the Lysfranc is a complicated injury that could be long term problematic. It could take up to a year to heal depending on how severe the injury is. Dean will be a core special teamer the last 2 years of his contract. The team will say how hard he is working and how they believe in his ability but will let him walk in 2 years. Dean will hang on for another couple years as a special teamer and retire around 28-29 hopefully with 3-5 mil invested so he can have a nice life after football. It's a passing league and if you want to make more than the minimum as a LB you have to be able to turn and run covering TEs and RBs. Otherwise a vet off the waiver wire can take your place to play the run, for a bit above the vet minimum. Have to be able to cover to be a modern LB and get paid
November 17, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, weko said: Dean will be a core special teamer the last 2 years of his contract. The team will say how hard he is working and how they believe in his ability but will let him walk in 2 years. Dean will hang on for another couple years as a special teamer and retire around 28-29 hopefully with 3-5 mil invested so he can have a nice life after football. It's a passing league and if you want to make more than the minimum as a LB you have to be able to turn and run covering TEs and RBs. Otherwise a vet off the waiver wire can take your place to play the run, for a bit above the vet minimum. Have to be able to cover to be a modern LB and get paid Most will try to say that it’s not a big deal and that he was a good risk. I don’t disagree with that assessment, but he should have never just been anointed the starting job without proving his worth. The Eagles threw a lot of picks at the Georgia group but if we are being honest so far only Carter and Davis have worked out.
November 17, 20231 yr On 11/10/2023 at 12:55 PM, brkmsn said: Yes. People have gobbled up that narrative and run with it. Nakobe Dean's coverage grades over the last 3 games: 66.1, 41.7, 59.3. James Bradberry's coverage grades over the last 3 games: 38.1, 50.0, 43.2 Eli Ricks: 69.7, 31.9, 30.9 Sydney Brown: 59.2, 57.2, 35.3 Kevin Byard (Last 2 with us): 60.3, 56.6 While Dean has had the most struggles in coverage of the LBs thus far, he really hasn't been "the glaring weakness" on this team in coverage. His struggles are to be expected as a young LB in the NFL. He should improve moving forward. I'm much more concerned with the large drop in play by Bradberry. Players like Ricks and S. Brown are rookies and playing like rookies. Byard hasn't been here long enough to feel comfortable yet. Nakobe Dean now has 4 career starts --- let that sink in. You're offering this defense below a chart that shows he had a lower coverage grade than Jordan Davis. Now by all means complain that the rest of our secondary was also embarrassing, but don't be telling me he's not that bad in coverage when he graded worse than a fat guy putting his arms in the air in front of the QB.
November 17, 20231 yr Author 7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: I don’t think this is a realistic expectation. Like a hamstring injury the Lysfranc is a complicated injury that could be long term problematic. It could take up to a year to heal depending on how severe the injury is. Yep, his 2023 season is almost certainly done. Just because his eligibility to return starts on a certain date doesn't mean he will (but I like to include that info regardless).
November 17, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said: Most will try to say that it’s not a big deal and that he was a good risk. I don’t disagree with that assessment, but he should have never just been anointed the starting job without proving his worth. The Eagles threw a lot of picks at the Georgia group but if we are being honest so far only Carter and Davis have worked out. Dean was not a good risk in the 3rd round. That's where you get starters. He's too small and unathletic, too slow. That's why the league passed on him. You can take a chance on a LB with his skill set in the 6th or 7th rounds, maybe late 5. Howie got caught up in the Georgia story line. Never should have spent a 3rd round pick on Mingo. Not to soon to say he can't play. Love Steen at a LT but we have maybe the best LT in football ahead of him. Hopefully he can play RT. He doesn't look like a guard but maybe he will by next training camp. Another 3rd round pick who right now has no way to contribute unless Mailata gets hurt or he can spell Lane. RG will be a 2nd or 3rd round pick in April.
November 17, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: You're offering this defense below a chart that shows he had a lower coverage grade than Jordan Davis. Now by all means complain that the rest of our secondary was also embarrassing, but don't be telling me he's not that bad in coverage when he graded worse than a fat guy putting his arms in the air in front of the QB. That's not how grading is done. For a DT to receive a coverage grade at all, it likely happened on a screen recognition. So likely, that coverage grade came on 1 play. I would say the same usually applies to DEs too, but we do actually see our scheme occasionally drop our edge rushers in coverage. As for the grades themselves, as I mentioned, Dean's last 3 coverage grades were: 66.1, 41.7, 59.3. 66 is in the very solid range. 59 is in the adequate range and 41 is in the poor range. Cunningham and Morrow have been performing better in coverage which isn't a surprise considering Dean has only 4 career starts, Morrow has 51 and Cunningham has 83. Dean has all the tools to be effective in coverage but he needs NFL experience and to learn from it like virtually every LB drafted in the NFL. People are overrating to his first few starts. Morrow, BTW, was a former safety converted to LB in the NFL. It should be no surprise that he's good in coverage. Cunningham has been better in coverage than expected. Hopefully that keeps up.
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