1 hour ago, Wallyhorse said:

And I never would have taken Foles in the first place.  I would have taken Kirk Cousins with that pick because he had already shown at Michigan State how good he was. 

Well Cousins was the better overall QB, but Foles has shown to be the best option for Philly. 

It's a shame we had just invested so many premium draft picks to put us in position to land Wentz.  And he was playing extremely well before the injury that opened the door for Foles to lead us on that magical run.  I don't think many would have seen the coming of Wentz completely falling apart the way he did.  I'll always have a special place in my heart for Foles for leading us to our first Lombardi but it was the right decision at the time (even though I was really hoping we could retain Foles to continue backing up Wentz ... just in case).  

20 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

It didn’t help that Foles was incapable of staying healthy. The first go around Reid was fired, and Chip Kelly”s ego couldn’t handle it so he traded him. The next go around it was Wentz. Simple as that. 

this. 

 

next thread. 

6 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

And I never would have taken Foles in the first place.  I would have taken Kirk Cousins with that pick because he had already shown at Michigan State how good he was. 

Kirk Cousins has shown he isn't good enough for a Super Bowl win. Not even Washington wanted to keep him. Had Eagles drafted Kirk Cousins, they'd still not have a Super Bowl win.

Honestly, I think Chip really wrecked up his career. Someone else mentioned that his injuries also sidetracked him, because even in his 2nd year under Chip, while we were like 5-2 or something, Foles ended up getting hurt. After that, Chip had a hard on for Sam Bumford and Nick was gone. I think he got a raw deal in Jacksonville and was never gonna get a real shot at starter here with all they dumped into Wentz.  Maybe he would've won the job eventually if he had stayed, but then we most likely don't draft Hurts if that happens. 

I think Foles could've been a franchise guy here, but we were playing hot potato with head coaches, had the one true idiot in Chip, and there was no long-term stability during his stays. 

Wasn't one of those injuries during the Chip era when he was blindsided and Peters got in a fight?

24 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Wasn't one of those injuries during the Chip era when he was blindsided and Peters got in a fight?

Yeah. It was a dirty shot and Peters got into it with Chris Baker. Think the NFL even ruled it legal afterwards, which pissed me off

edit. I think he was injured for the season cos of a clavicle or something, but I don't remember if it was that game tbh. I just remember the cheap shot 

38 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Wasn't one of those injuries during the Chip era when he was blindsided and Peters got in a fight?

 

19 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Yeah. It was a dirty shot and Peters got into it with Chris Baker. Think the NFL even ruled it legal afterwards, which pissed me off

edit. I think he was injured for the season cos of a clavicle or something, but I don't remember if it was that game tbh. I just remember the cheap shot 

Foles was hurt later that same year in Houston. He finished the game when Baker blindsided him. 

Weird timing for this thread, but I'll play along.  In my opinion Foles got screwed over by Chip Kelly in the first go around, and didn't get a legitimate chance because Chip was starry eyed for Vick and Bradford.  Then he got screwed over again after a historic playoff run, Super Bowl MVP and win, because the team had invested so many picks into Wentz. 

Ultimately he was streaky and injury prone, and I'm not sure what would have happened but he deserved a better shot in my opinion.   

8 hours ago, time2rock said:

It's a shame we had just invested so many premium draft picks to put us in position to land Wentz.  And he was playing extremely well before the injury that opened the door for Foles to lead us on that magical run.  I don't think many would have seen the coming of Wentz completely falling apart the way he did

This is a good example of how pedigree matters, particularly at QB. Wentz had all the tools but came from a small school in a small conference and couldn't handle the NFL.  Hurts came from the SEC and Big 12, was the Heisman runner up and so on. He has the best mental makeup of any quarterback I've ever seen. Skills and speed matter, but the mind matters more. 

3 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

This is a good example of how pedigree matters, particularly at QB. Wentz had all the tools but came from a small school in a small conference and couldn't handle the NFL.  Hurts came from the SEC and Big 12, was the Heisman runner up and so on. He has the best mental makeup of any quarterback I've ever seen. Skills and speed matter, but the mind matters more. 

Alas Ginger Jesus was really just Mental Midget.

Wentz was the right move at the time. 

6 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Wasn't one of those injuries during the Chip era when he was blindsided and Peters got in a fight?

If memory serves, Foles got up from that cheap shot, shook his head and threw a T.D. When Chip traded Foles after the 27-2 season, I was like "What the flaming F*kk?" But then Chip's personnel skills were never 1st rate, or 2nd rate, barely 3rd rate ... maybe.

9 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

If memory serves, Foles got up from that cheap shot, shook his head and threw a T.D. When Chip traded Foles after the 27-2 season, I was like "What the flaming F*kk?" But then Chip's personnel skills were never 1st rate, or 2nd rate, barely 3rd rate ... maybe.

He actually traded him after 2014. Foles wasn’t playing as well and ended up getting hurt before Sanchez took over. 

9 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Wentz was the right move at the time. 

except when that happened I thought it was the wrong move. Then again, I would never trades Foles for Bradford to begin with. 

1 hour ago, NickFoles4Lyfe said:

except when that happened I thought it was the wrong move. Then again, I would never trades Foles for Bradford to begin with. 

Do you even recall that during Nick’s 27-2 season Nick was injured too? The guy was not reliable to stay on the field. The following season he broke his collarbone and didn’t play another snap for Chip Kelly and the Eagles. Now I never liked that trade (or hardly any of that idiot Chip Kelly’s moves) for Sam Bradford either, but the reasons why Nick Foles never got a shot were blatantly obvious. Everywhere he went after Philly he was streaky or hurt. Let’s be honest even in Philly Nick was streaky or hurt. In 2014 before the collarbone injury Nick was not a very good quarterback. His completion percentage was under 60%, he had only 3 more touchdowns than interceptions, His YPC, YPA, and QBR were all much lower than the season prior. His passer rating dropped about 40 pointe. On top of all of that he only played in 8 games. Sorry, but 8 games does not make a franchise quarterback. Oh and about 2017 we’ll have you forgotten that regular season side? Foles was so bad people were booing him in that Dallas game and begging for Sudfeld to come out in the second half of the Falcons playoff game. Look I’m a major Nick supporter, but we can’t ignore everything that happened to its fullest. If Nick wins another SB and Jeffery makes that catch for the comeback maybe things are different. That’s not how it turned out, but the truth is even if Nick does win that SB again he could start out bad again. Just like he did in 2018 went everyone was begging for Carson to return as quickly as possible (including the fans and the Eagles brass) because Nick wasn’t good enough at the beginning of that year. We always remember the good from Nick and conveniently ignore the bad. 

On 10/3/2023 at 10:32 AM, NickFoles4Lyfe said:

what matters most is do you win with the quarterback…. OK, his first season they were 1-5 with him. But that’s a rookie thing.. after that, he won 20 games as the Eagles starter and only lost 6.  You’re telling me that someone who is going to give you results like that should not have been the franchise qb? when he plays for other teams, it’s true he’s not great, but for some reason in an Eagles uniform, he really is clutch, an amazing leader in the locker room, and we saw the difference between him and Wentz. One is stuck on his ego and alienates his teammates. And one inspires them to play better. I realize it’s a moot point now because they have Hurts, but I just think it’s a shame that Nick never got the chance to be the leader for this team for many seasons.

Nick.  We love you, but you have to let it go.  You came back, won us a super bowl and we erected a statue of you.  It's over. 

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Do you even recall that during Nick’s 27-2 season Nick was injured too? The guy was not reliable to stay on the field. The following season he broke his collarbone and didn’t play another snap for Chip Kelly and the Eagles. Now I never liked that trade (or hardly any of that idiot Chip Kelly’s moves) for Sam Bradford either, but the reasons why Nick Foles never got a shot were blatantly obvious. Everywhere he went after Philly he was streaky or hurt. Let’s be honest even in Philly Nick was streaky or hurt. In 2014 before the collarbone injury Nick was not a very good quarterback. His completion percentage was under 60%, he had only 3 more touchdowns than interceptions, His YPC, YPA, and QBR were all much lower than the season prior. His passer rating dropped about 40 pointe. On top of all of that he only played in 8 games. Sorry, but 8 games does not make a franchise quarterback. Oh and about 2017 we’ll have you forgotten that regular season side? Foles was so bad people were booing him in that Dallas game and begging for Sudfeld to come out in the second half of the Falcons playoff game. Look I’m a major Nick supporter, but we can’t ignore everything that happened to its fullest. If Nick wins another SB and Jeffery makes that catch for the comeback maybe things are different. That’s not how it turned out, but the truth is even if Nick does win that SB again he could start out bad again. Just like he did in 2018 went everyone was begging for Carson to return as quickly as possible (including the fans and the Eagles brass) because Nick wasn’t good enough at the beginning of that year. We always remember the good from Nick and conveniently ignore the bad. 

 

I wasn't begging for Wentz to return, I mean, talk about injury prone QB's, lol - he was just as bad as Foles in that regard, if not worse because he was always hurt just before the postseason, and one time while in the playoffs.  I agree though that injuries have played a part in things, but I also chalk things up to bad circumstances to be in (Jax), and a crap coach in Chip dealing him away.  Also, inconsistent starts/play at QB's isn't just a Foles thing. I mean just look at Hurts, Burrow, Allen, and Mahomes this year, yet you wouldn't bench any of them for the rest of the season over it.  Also Foles was 4-1 during that 2018 regular season, with 7 Tds and 4 Ints, 72% comp pct.  He was one win behind Carson who went 5-6, and we all know of the heartbreak with the Jeffery drop.

Anyway, I remember the 2014 team having inconsistent OL play, plus Chip had the bright idea of releasing Jackson before the year too.  His numbers weren't amazing, but we were still 6-2 with him as the starter, yet went 4-4 with Dirty Sanchez.  

I still think he got a raw deal, but that stuff happens. Just like some players get way too many opportunities. 

 

16 minutes ago, MF POON said:

 

I wasn't begging for Wentz to return, I mean, talk about injury prone QB's, lol - he was just as bad as Foles in that regard, if not worse because he was always hurt just before the postseason, and one time while in the playoffs.  I agree though that injuries have played a part in things, but I also chalk things up to bad circumstances to be in (Jax), and a crap coach in Chip dealing him away.  Also, inconsistent starts/play at QB's isn't just a Foles thing. I mean just look at Hurts, Burrow, Allen, and Mahomes this year, yet you wouldn't bench any of them for the rest of the season over it.  Also Foles was 4-1 during that 2018 regular season, with 7 Tds and 4 Ints, 72% comp pct.  He was one win behind Carson who went 5-6, and we all know of the heartbreak with the Jeffery drop.

Anyway, I remember the 2014 team having inconsistent OL play, plus Chip had the bright idea of releasing Jackson before the year too.  His numbers weren't amazing, but we were still 6-2 with him as the starter, yet went 4-4 with Dirty Sanchez.  

I still think he got a raw deal, but that stuff happens. Just like some players get way too many opportunities. 

 

Foles started 2018 1-1 and he was really bad in that Falcons game. He was just okay in the Bucs game. Sure there are stragglers here and there who didn’t want Wentz back, but let’s be real. Most people thought they were getting 2017 Wentz even after the injury and not the guy they got. Statistically Wentz wasn’t bad that year, but the magic seemed to be missing. Wentz went 5-6 after the return and that’s when Foles took off. What’s also is forgotten is Foles was injured again in that Washington game. He couldn’t even finish it cause they knocked him out of it. Foles did not play well against Chicago. Foles entire career has been marred with inconsistent play and injuries. In many ways Carson and Nick’s careers are very similar. 

36 minutes ago, MF POON said:

 

I wasn't begging for Wentz to return, I mean, talk about injury prone QB's, lol - he was just as bad as Foles in that regard, if not worse because he was always hurt just before the postseason, and one time while in the playoffs.  I agree though that injuries have played a part in things, but I also chalk things up to bad circumstances to be in (Jax), and a crap coach in Chip dealing him away.  Also, inconsistent starts/play at QB's isn't just a Foles thing. I mean just look at Hurts, Burrow, Allen, and Mahomes this year, yet you wouldn't bench any of them for the rest of the season over it.  Also Foles was 4-1 during that 2018 regular season, with 7 Tds and 4 Ints, 72% comp pct.  He was one win behind Carson who went 5-6, and we all know of the heartbreak with the Jeffery drop.

Anyway, I remember the 2014 team having inconsistent OL play, plus Chip had the bright idea of releasing Jackson before the year too.  His numbers weren't amazing, but we were still 6-2 with him as the starter, yet went 4-4 with Dirty Sanchez.  

I still think he got a raw deal, but that stuff happens. Just like some players get way too many opportunities. 

 

And 2014 was a career year for Maclin. DeSean had a similar year in 2013 b4 chip released him (🤬) and Shady also had the rushing title. Imagine if you had DeSean in 2014 w him and Maclin both at their peak.

 

But my opinion on Foles has been he's a good qb that can do great things in the perfect situations. In 2013 he needed a rushing title from Shady, a career yr from DeSean, an OL that started all 16 games together, and an offensive system the league wasn't ready for (short lived).

In 2017 he needed the best OL in football, a stingy defense (until the sb), and a very solid skill position group (Ajayi, Blount, Jeffery, Ertz, etc).

 

Rarely do stars align like they did for him here (for any team) but when they did he made magic happen. 

 

P.S. I still want philly philly 

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Foles started 2018 1-1 and he was really bad in that Falcons game. He was just okay in the Bucs game. Sure there are stragglers here and there who didn’t want Wentz back, but let’s be real. Most people thought they were getting 2017 Wentz even after the injury and not the guy they got. Statistically Wentz wasn’t bad that year, but the magic seemed to be missing. Wentz went 5-6 after the return and that’s when Foles took off. What’s also is forgotten is Foles was injured again in that Washington game. He couldn’t even finish it cause they knocked him out of it. Foles did not play well against Chicago. Foles entire career has been marred with inconsistent play and injuries. In many ways Carson and Nick’s careers are very similar. 

My point still stands, you can't really judge what he would've done for the entire season based on the first 2 games.  He got hurt vs Wash, but it wasn't like it was season ending lol. He also had a pretty good game too. Before that he had a great game against the Texans. Neither he, nor Trubisky played that well in that game, but I'm not gonna knock the guy for beating a better Bears team at their home in the playoffs. Even with his "inconsistent" play, he should've got the W against the Saints the following week.  I don't think Foles was inconsistent, but I do agree that his injuries played a big role. That, and being stuck on crap teams and getting injured is never a good thing.

Their careers are sort of similar, but Carson pissed his career away because of his poor attitude and unwillingness to learn from others.  He had his injuries, but they didn't derail his career more than his attitude. He also landed in a dream scenario with the Colts and Reich, yet he still couldn't make things work. He also went to Washington and they couldn't wait to get rid of him, and no one liked playing with the guy. That's different than going to the Bears, Rams, Colts, and Jax when they were all bad teams/scenarios to be in. 

Every team Foles played for came to the same conclusion, great backup, not a franchise guy.  I always read between the lines that while he was affable, he was more of a "gamer" than the kind of disciplined practice and film study type that teams look to lead their locker room through a whole season.

On 10/4/2023 at 9:22 AM, MF POON said:

Honestly, I think Chip really wrecked up his career. Someone else mentioned that his injuries also sidetracked him, because even in his 2nd year under Chip, while we were like 5-2 or something, Foles ended up getting hurt. After that, Chip had a hard on for Sam Bumford and Nick was gone. I think he got a raw deal in Jacksonville and was never gonna get a real shot at starter here with all they dumped into Wentz.  Maybe he would've won the job eventually if he had stayed, but then we most likely don't draft Hurts if that happens. 

I think Foles could've been a franchise guy here, but we were playing hot potato with head coaches, had the one true idiot in Chip, and there was no long-term stability during his stays. 

The other problem was with the Rams, he had Jeff Fisher as his HC, and Fisher proved to be one of worst with QBs of all time. 

8 minutes ago, Wallyhorse said:

The other problem was with the Rams, he had Jeff Fisher as his HC, and Fisher proved to be one of worst with QBs of all time. 

Very This

12 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

The guy was not reliable to stay on the field.

Injuries happen. I wouldn't call him injury prone, though. 

He missed one game due to injury in 2012 (final game of a miserable season) and I believe he only missed one game in 2013 due to injury (a concussion?). Then in 2014 he missed 8 games with the broken collar bone. In all, he was an Eagle for 80 regular season games, played in 40 and started 32.

2017 and 2018, he was our backup and filling in for our injured starter and I can't imagine that anyone has many issues with how he did for us in those 2 seasons. The only injury that I can recall from those seasons is his ribs after the 2017 NFCCG and that was nothing.

So unless I'm mistaken, in his 5 years with the team, he only missed 10 games due to injury. 8 of them in the same season due to a broken collar bone.