5 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Injuries happen. I wouldn't call him injury prone, though. 

He missed one game due to injury in 2012 (final game of a miserable season) and I believe he only missed one game in 2013 due to injury (a concussion?). Then in 2014 he missed 8 games with the broken collar bone. In all, he was an Eagle for 80 regular season games, played in 40 and started 32.

2017 and 2018, he was our backup and filling in for our injured starter and I can't imagine that anyone has many issues with how he did for us in those 2 seasons. The only injury that I can recall from those seasons is his ribs after the 2017 NFCCG and that was nothing.

So unless I'm mistaken, in his 5 years with the team, he only missed 10 games due to injury. 8 of them in the same season due to a broken collar bone. 

He got hurt every year he was a starter though and for the other teams he played for. 

Because he wasn't.  He was an extremely fragile player who couldn't stay healthy.  An incredibly inconsistent player who he could have highs he had also just as equal lows that would come without warning.  That 2014 season before he broke his collar bone he was giving up st least 2+ turnovers per game.

2 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

He got hurt every year he was a starter though and for the other teams he played for. 

I don't care about the other teams, even a little. I just look at his career as an Eagle. Missed 8 games in 2014. 1 game his rookie year (the final game), 1 game in 2013 and then the 8 because of a broken collar bone in 2014, and that's not something to label him as injury prone for.  

Not counting this season, and discounting his rookie season since it was only 4 starts, Hurts has been hurt in both of his full starting seasons and missed games due to injury. HOPEFULLY that won't happen this season, too. But in his 2 full starting seasons, he's missed games but I wouldn't label him as injury prone. 

Fault Nick for what you will, but I wouldn't fault him for his toughness. 

7 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I don't care about the other teams, even a little. I just look at his career as an Eagle. Missed 8 games in 2014. 1 game his rookie year (the final game), 1 game in 2013 and then the 8 because of a broken collar bone in 2014, and that's not something to label him as injury prone for.  

Not counting this season, and discounting his rookie season since it was only 4 starts, Hurts has been hurt in both of his full starting seasons and missed games due to injury. HOPEFULLY that won't happen this season, too. But in his 2 full starting seasons, he's missed games but I wouldn't label him as injury prone. 

Fault Nick for what you will, but I wouldn't fault him for his toughness. 

I don't really care either way and I'm not questioning his toughness at all 2014 was the only season he went into the year as the starter. Not even sure why we are going down this road in the middle of a 4-0 season so far

12 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

 Not even sure why we are going down this road in the middle of a 4-0 season so far

It's content, content gives the search engines something to index and that leads to guests and guests visiting leads to ad revenue. So it's all good.

He is a starter for 4-5 games and a backup for the rest. Minus one season, he’s 55 TDs to 45 INTs. 21-27 as a starter

He has NFL tape and 10 seasons of contracts and no one made him a starter, even after the SB. There’s no conspiracy. Wentz had much higher upside and there was no way to determine who he’d be post-injury after leading his team to #1 seed and MVP convo prior. 
 

His SB run his offense only needed to score 18 points across 2 games to win due to a dominant defense. The SB was a shootout. It happens.

3 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

Every team Foles played for came to the same conclusion, great backup, not a franchise guy.  I always read between the lines that while he was affable, he was more of a "gamer" than the kind of disciplined practice and film study type that teams look to lead their locker room through a whole season.

Do backups usually win a Superbowl, come one heartbreaking catch away from possibly getting another chance, and go 20-6(excluding the 1-5 first season) as the QB?

5 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

He is a starter for 4-5 games and a backup for the rest. Minus one season, he’s 55 TDs to 45 INTs. 21-27 as a starter

He has NFL tape and 10 seasons of contracts and no one made him a starter, even after the SB. There’s no conspiracy. Wentz had much higher upside and there was no way to determine who he’d be post-injury after leading his team to #1 seed and MVP convo prior. 
 

His SB run his offense only needed to score 18 points across 2 games to win due to a dominant defense. The SB was a shootout. It happens.

You can't put a tangible value on what being a great leader does to the rest of the team.
Wentz was a selfish player who people tended to NOT like.
Everyone loved Foles and his presence made the team better.

Also, you're excluding the 27-2 year, which is ridiculous. Exclude his first year then too, which I think makes more sense to do.
The only thing that matters to me is if you are winning more than 3/4ths of your game with someone as QB, I'll stick with that guy forever.

4 minutes ago, NickFoles4Lyfe said:

Do backups usually win a Superbowl, come one heartbreaking catch away from possibly getting another chance, and go 20-6(excluding the 1-5 first season) as the QB?

Don’t forget the awful INT he threw to change momentum. 14-0 driving 2nd & 8 on the 48, throws an awful pass to Lattimore for INT. Could’ve lived to the next play, and they scored that following by drive. 
 

14 point first quarter …. 1 INT and 6 punts = 0 points for the rest of the game. 25 plays on 7 drives averaging a 3 and out lol. "Leader” "Winner” stop. 

13 minutes ago, NickFoles4Lyfe said:

You can't put a tangible value on what being a great leader does to the rest of the team.
Wentz was a selfish player who people tended to NOT like.
Everyone loved Foles and his presence made the team better.

Also, you're excluding the 27-2 year, which is ridiculous. Exclude his first year then too, which I think makes more sense to do.
The only thing that matters to me is if you are winning more than 3/4ths of your game with someone as QB, I'll stick with that guy forever.

Clearly his leadership wasn’t enough for him to start for 32 NFL teams or lead a team as a starter for more than 11 games in 10 seasons. Whatever arbitrary value you place on that yourself, professionals, organizations, didn’t see worth much. 

1 hour ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I don't care about the other teams, even a little. I just look at his career as an Eagle. Missed 8 games in 2014. 1 game his rookie year (the final game), 1 game in 2013 and then the 8 because of a broken collar bone in 2014, and that's not something to label him as injury prone for.  

Not counting this season, and discounting his rookie season since it was only 4 starts, Hurts has been hurt in both of his full starting seasons and missed games due to injury. HOPEFULLY that won't happen this season, too. But in his 2 full starting seasons, he's missed games but I wouldn't label him as injury prone. 

Fault Nick for what you will, but I wouldn't fault him for his toughness. 

 

He was factually injury prone.

Why do you dopes and clowns respond to troll threads like this??
It's obviously a clone.

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Look at his first game with the jags and that’s why

11 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Injuries happen. I wouldn't call him injury prone, though. 

He missed one game due to injury in 2012 (final game of a miserable season) and I believe he only missed one game in 2013 due to injury (a concussion?). Then in 2014 he missed 8 games with the broken collar bone. In all, he was an Eagle for 80 regular season games, played in 40 and started 32.

2017 and 2018, he was our backup and filling in for our injured starter and I can't imagine that anyone has many issues with how he did for us in those 2 seasons. The only injury that I can recall from those seasons is his ribs after the 2017 NFCCG and that was nothing.

So unless I'm mistaken, in his 5 years with the team, he only missed 10 games due to injury. 8 of them in the same season due to a broken collar bone. 

Every time he was named the starter he was either benched for poor, play, injured, or both. Ultimately it Nick wasn’t consistent enough to stay on the field to be considered the guy. 

13 hours ago, MF POON said:

My point still stands, you can't really judge what he would've done for the entire season based on the first 2 games.  He got hurt vs Wash, but it wasn't like it was season ending lol. He also had a pretty good game too. Before that he had a great game against the Texans. Neither he, nor Trubisky played that well in that game, but I'm not gonna knock the guy for beating a better Bears team at their home in the playoffs. Even with his "inconsistent" play, he should've got the W against the Saints the following week.  I don't think Foles was inconsistent, but I do agree that his injuries played a big role. That, and being stuck on crap teams and getting injured is never a good thing.

Their careers are sort of similar, but Carson pissed his career away because of his poor attitude and unwillingness to learn from others.  He had his injuries, but they didn't derail his career more than his attitude. He also landed in a dream scenario with the Colts and Reich, yet he still couldn't make things work. He also went to Washington and they couldn't wait to get rid of him, and no one liked playing with the guy. That's different than going to the Bears, Rams, Colts, and Jax when they were all bad teams/scenarios to be in. 

I don’t really know how Nick would have played if he stayed in that year. Again he was really bad week one and they won. He was solid week two and they lost. Nick has taken some brutal hits and they cost him games. He’s never lasted a full season once. It’s just as possible he’s not even in those playoff games if he has to play longer that year, because he gets knocked out. 

I think Foles deserved a shot here the first time around, instead he got traded to Jeff Fisher a coach who would've turned Brady into a workaday game manager, then got his second shot with Doug Marrone, who never met a starting QB he didn't bench. He dumped him for Minshew after one and a half games back from a broken collarbone, then dumped Minshew for Mike Glennon a year later when Minshew got injured on his way to being fired.

We'll never know what would've happened if he had been given a shot. I'll always like the kid, he seems like a genuinely nice guy, he might have had a better career if he'd had that bit of primadonna a-hole in him but then he wouldn't be Nick Foles.

On 10/5/2023 at 3:20 PM, Wallyhorse said:

The other problem was with the Rams, he had Jeff Fisher as his HC, and Fisher proved to be one of worst with QBs of all time. 

 

12 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I think Foles deserved a shot here the first time around, instead he got traded to Jeff Fisher a coach who would've turned Brady into a workaday game manager...

Fisher drafted McNair and had him for 10 seasons. With the Rams, he inherited Bradford who had his best QB rating (thus far) for the next two seasons. Later, he drafted Goff, but only had him for a few games before losing his job. Why does Fisher get such a bad rap for QBs? Fisher was a head coach with a defensive background, not offensive --- so it's not like he was some kind of QB guru. Other than a couple seasons where his teams were cycling through candidates for an answer at QB, I just don't see the evil anti-QB that people always bring up. 

IMO, some fans look at a player like Goff who stunk as a rookie, seemed to break out the following year and think it's all on the coaching from season to season. The truth is some players need several seasons to really grow and develop into their best versions of themselves. Foles couldn't really hang on to a starting role, but by the time he was available as a backup before  the 2017 season, we picked him up and got the best version of him as a player. Alex Smith was practically booed out of SF for being a huge disappointment after several seasons (8 years) only to take what he learned to KC. Before people say, "well that's all Andy Reid," you need to look at how he steadily improved each season with the 49ers until his final season there (104.1 QB rating) where after a concussion was replaced by Kaepernick for the rest of the season. The 49ers simply made a decision to go with the younger, cheaper player while they were winning. 

I believe that being in an environment for an extended time helps every QB grow. Plug and play is more myth than reality. Even Hurts will tell us how great it was to have the same OC for a 2nd straight year. Guys like Foles, never really were given the long-term commitment, so it's hard to say how things would have gone. Even with the Eagles, he had different OCs. I think teams like the Colts and Commanders never really got the best out of Wentz because they weren't fully committed. We are seeing Goff, probably at his best right now because there's been some stability there. The Browns gave up on Mayfield, he bounced around in a short time span and now looks like a competent vet. 

Anyway, I just don't get that criticism about Fisher. He had one pretty good QB for a decade and then a few QBs that needed time to develop --- time that HCs don't always get. 

16 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Anyway, I just don't get that criticism about Fisher. He had one pretty good QB for a decade and then a few QBs that needed time to develop --- time that HCs don't always get. 

Steve McNair as I remember was better with the Ravens later on and likely under anyone other than Fisher might have had a Hall of Fame career.  Fisher also had Vince Young whom looking back he basically drove out of football.  

3 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

Steve McNair as I remember was better with the Ravens later on and likely under anyone other than Fisher might have had a Hall of Fame career.  Fisher also had Vince Young whom looking back he basically drove out of football.  

I disagree with all that. McNair went to a better team (Baltimore) but wasn't a better passer. Young won Offensive Rookie of the Year and went to 2 Pro Bowls in 5 seasons under Fisher. Young was a bit of a "mental case" that had a few meltdowns which led to the Titans moving on from him. After that, he signed with the "dream team" and did nothing to erase people's worries about his mental state. Then he disappeared from the NFL scene. 

Fisher did just fine with McNair and then got more out of Vince Young than anybody else probably would have. 

Foles was at his best as a relief pitcher.  He was much less effective as an opening day starter in this league.

14 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

Steve McNair as I remember was better with the Ravens later on and likely under anyone other than Fisher might have had a Hall of Fame career.  Fisher also had Vince Young whom looking back he basically drove out of football.  

McNair was a beast with Tennessee. Definitely his peak. Very underrated. 

Who ever did see Nick as a franchise quarterback? When the Eagles drafted Nick he wasn’t close to their first choice. Even to this day we hear about Roseman’s love for the one that got away in Wilson. Chip certainly didn’t see him as his franchise quarterback. He couldn’t wait to dump Foles. Nick never made it in any of the other locations either despite giving numerous opportunities to be the guy. Why would the Eagles simply give the franchise back to Foles after they invested so much into Wentz? Still the Eagles did right by Nick and released him. He ended up floundering in his next spot too. It’s hard to be considered the franchise guy when the player fails to step up when teams gave him the opportunity. Philly was never the location that gave him that opportunity and the one moment he had the chance here, he played shaky despite his record and proceeded to get hurt. Nick is an all time Eagle, but he’s not a franchise quarterback. 

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Who ever did see Nick as a franchise quarterback? When the Eagles drafted Nick he wasn’t close to their first choice. Even to this day we hear about Roseman’s love for the one that got away in Wilson. Chip certainly didn’t see him as his franchise quarterback. He couldn’t wait to dump Foles. Nick never made it in any of the other locations either despite giving numerous opportunities to be the guy. Why would the Eagles simply give the franchise back to Foles after they invested so much into Wentz? Still the Eagles did right by Nick and released him. He ended up floundering in his next spot too. It’s hard to be considered the franchise guy when the player fails to step up when teams gave him the opportunity. Philly was never the location that gave him that opportunity and the one moment he had the chance here, he played shaky despite his record and proceeded to get hurt. Nick is an all time Eagle, but he’s not a franchise quarterback. 

We know the Eagles wanted Wilson, but I don't agree that Howie wanted to get rid of Foles. That was Chip's decision. Also, later, the Eagles didn't release Foles. After the Super Bowl, they reworked his contract. The year he became a FA again, the Eagles exercised his $20.6M option which Foles would void to enter free agency. It is possible the Eagles might have shopped Foles had he remained, but they were willing to commit one more year for a $20M backup. 2019 Wentz was actually had a pretty good season despite the WR issues (D-Jax missed most of the season, Jeffery missed time, Agholor was "unliked..." 

...Neither Hollins nor JJAW did enough to secure a starting role. Greg Ward made his debut. Unfortunately, that season ended with McCown playing on a severely torn hamstring for half a playoff game (Boo-freakin-hoo, forty-whiner fans). It wasn't until 2020 that everything went sour for the Eagles and Wentz. Some think that maybe that concussion was career-altering for Carson. IDK. My personal belief is that 2020 was just an awful, injury-plagued year where Wentz fell into the trap of forcing plays when we seemed to need something good. The line was a mess. The two best WRs were Fulgham and Ward. But the biggest thing to me was the lack of fans in stadiums. The team just didn't play with the energy you would expect in front of non-cardboard fans. People should have been willing to "flush" that whole mess of a season and start over. But that's not how things played out. 

The good news is Jalen Hurts. We can't go back in time and change decisions that were made. We can only move forward. I would much rather move forward with Hurts than Wentz or Foles. His leadership dwarfs both of theirs combined. I don't put any stock in the character assassination attempts against Wentz and wish the best for both him and Nick. But there is no use lamenting about "what-ifs" when we have a leader like Hurts right now. 

19 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

We know the Eagles wanted Wilson, but I don't agree that Howie wanted to get rid of Foles. That was Chip's decision. Also, later, the Eagles didn't release Foles. After the Super Bowl, they reworked his contract. The year he became a FA again, the Eagles exercised his $20.6M option which Foles would void to enter free agency. It is possible the Eagles might have shopped Foles had he remained, but they were willing to commit one more year for a $20M backup. 2019 Wentz was actually had a pretty good season despite the WR issues (D-Jax missed most of the season, Jeffery missed time, Agholor was "unliked..." 

...Neither Hollins nor JJAW did enough to secure a starting role. Greg Ward made his debut. Unfortunately, that season ended with McCown playing on a severely torn hamstring for half a playoff game (Boo-freakin-hoo, forty-whiner fans). It wasn't until 2020 that everything went sour for the Eagles and Wentz. Some think that maybe that concussion was career-altering for Carson. IDK. My personal belief is that 2020 was just an awful, injury-plagued year where Wentz fell into the trap of forcing plays when we seemed to need something good. The line was a mess. The two best WRs were Fulgham and Ward. But the biggest thing to me was the lack of fans in stadiums. The team just didn't play with the energy you would expect in front of non-cardboard fans. People should have been willing to "flush" that whole mess of a season and start over. But that's not how things played out. 

The good news is Jalen Hurts. We can't go back in time and change decisions that were made. We can only move forward. I would much rather move forward with Hurts than Wentz or Foles. His leadership dwarfs both of theirs combined. I don't put any stock in the character assassination attempts against Wentz and wish the best for both him and Nick. But there is no use lamenting about "what-ifs" when we have a leader like Hurts right now. 

Not sure where you’re going with this, but I never wrote Howie wanted to get rid of Foles. I wrote that Howie wanted a different guy and that Howie and the Eagles did right by Foles by releasing instead of trying to trade him. Foles is an Eagles legend, but he’s not a franchise quarterback.

48 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Not sure where you’re going with this, but I never wrote Howie wanted to get rid of Foles. I wrote that Howie wanted a different guy and that Howie and the Eagles did right by Foles by releasing instead of trying to trade him. Foles is an Eagles legend, but he’s not a franchise quarterback.

I think I just misread what you wrote.