16 hours ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

Well, there are very few QBs in NFL history that have taken their team to back to back Super Bowls, so I would disagree with that being the standard for winning a starting QB job.  Foles didn't have a full chance to do that anyway, since Wentz was put back in Week 3 of the next season. 

Then when Wentz got hurt again toward the end of that year (after playing pretty poorly the majority of the season), Foles came in and saved the season taking us from 6-7 to 9-7 and getting us back to the playoffs.  We then won another playoff game with him as the starter, and were one uncharacteristic Alshon Jeffery drop away from the NFC championship game and we don't know what could have happened after that. 

Yes I am aware the Eagles chose Wentz because of the investment, I didn't like the decision.  I would choose who won my team a Super Bowl, not who I drafted with a high pick but that's just me. Wentz also did nothing once he left either. 

We know Foles wasn't good for any team other than the Eagles, but since our team is the Eagles that's not a good argument for benching him since he played well as an Eagle.  Foles not playing well on other teams with different systems, different coaches, different players doesn't prove that the Eagles made the right decision.  Players can look like All-Pros in one situation and look terrible in another.

I 100% agree about Dawk and thought the FO were idiots for that as well. 

You can’t expect the Eagles to supplant Wentz UNLESS he did the unthinkable and that’s to win back to back Super Bowls. Heck just going back would have been a feat unto itself, but how do they move on from Wentz otherwise? How do they justify that move? They couldn’t so they did the next best thing and that was to let Foles go find his own way. They did right by Foles. They didn’t just trade him to whoever they wanted to. They let him go. They had way too much invested in Wentz, and Foles simply didn’t do enough to supersede that investment. 

15 hours ago, Loosechange said:

I remember fans clamoring for Bubby Brister over Randall. Pretty crazy to think about. I know he wasn't putting the work in, in the film room, but was nowhere near as bad lol. It has been like this since I can remember; always wanting the second string guy and then he has one or two good games and is crap. Jeff Garcia and aj Feely come to mind.

I was a young six or seven year old Eagles fan when you were arguing about Briser or Cunningham. Those were my first years. But living outside of PA in the pre internet days I simply had no access to much Eagles news. ESPN and Sports Illustrated. I remember a few years after that I got my Sports Illustrated for kids subscription. I felt like I had the most insider access available. Crazy how much things have changed.

My dad was a Pats fan. I have hated that team for a long time. What Nick did to that defense was the stuff of legend for sure.

6 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

You can’t expect the Eagles to supplant Wentz UNLESS he did the unthinkable and that’s to win back to back Super Bowls. Heck just going back would have been a feat unto itself, but how do they move on from Wentz otherwise? How do they justify that move? They couldn’t so they did the next best thing and that was to let Foles go find his own way. They did right by Foles. They didn’t just trade him to whoever they wanted to. They let him go. They had way too much invested in Wentz, and Foles simply didn’t do enough to supersede that investment. 

We can agree to disagree on that, I've already said I don't subscribe to the idea that a backup QB needs to win TWO Super Bowls to become the starter.  To me that is absurd. 

I'm not saying they completely move on from Wentz permanently, but at that point he had 2 more seasons on his cheap rookie deal.  I would have liked to see Foles get the job the season after the Super Bowl win and see what happens.  If he plays well that next season, he remains the starter and they can move on from Wentz.  If he plays average or below average, they chalk it up as a fluke and move on from Foles. 

2 hours ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

We can agree to disagree on that, I've already said I don't subscribe to the idea that a backup QB needs to win TWO Super Bowls to become the starter.  To me that is absurd. 

I'm not saying they completely move on from Wentz permanently, but at that point he had 2 more seasons on his cheap rookie deal.  I would have liked to see Foles get the job the season after the Super Bowl win and see what happens.  If he plays well that next season, he remains the starter and they can move on from Wentz.  If he plays average or below average, they chalk it up as a fluke and move on from Foles. 

Wentz also had that super fragile ego they were trying to protect. Foles had a statue in front of the building and a shrine in the locker room. Another season of Wentz and Foles together was not sustainable. The Eagles had to make a choice and Foles didn’t do enough to supplant Wentz especially when you consider the year Wentz had in 2017. Also can do you know Nick’s average amount of games played in a season? The answer is seven and games as the starter are even lower than that. How do you turn the keys of the franchise over to a guy who never completed a full season as a starter? 

7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Wentz also had that super fragile ego they were trying to protect. Foles had a statue in front of the building and a shrine in the locker room. Another season of Wentz and Foles together was not sustainable. The Eagles had to make a choice and Foles didn’t do enough to supplant Wentz especially when you consider the year Wentz had in 2017. Also can do you know Nick’s average amount of games played in a season? The answer is seven and games as the starter are even lower than that. How do you turn the keys of the franchise over to a guy who never completed a full season as a starter? 

Well that's true, but then why draft a QB so high that is fragile and can't handle the Philly fans and media?  Foles couldn't do any more than he did to supplant Wentz....he led the team to its first Super Bowl victory in franchise history, winning a shootout against the greatest QB of all time. 

Again I did admit it was tricky because Wentz also had a great season but then got a serious injury.  To me it wouldn't have been turning the keys to the franchise to Foles to just let your #2 pick's knee continue healing for another month or two to make sure you're not rushing him back out there to get hurt again (which is exactly what happened). 

3 minutes ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

Well that's true, but then why draft a QB so high that is fragile and can't handle the Philly fans and media?  Foles couldn't do any more than he did to supplant Wentz....he led the team to its first Super Bowl victory in franchise history, winning a shootout against the greatest QB of all time. 

Again I did admit it was tricky because Wentz also had a great season but then got a serious injury.  To me it wouldn't have been turning the keys to the franchise to Foles to just let your #2 pick's knee continue healing for another month or two to make sure you're not rushing him back out there to get hurt again (which is exactly what happened). 

Eagles did rush Wentz back and the reason was Foles was kind of shaky those first two games. The game he won he was real bad, and the game he lost against Tampa he was decent. I do think Wentz also had a lot to do with getting back. He worked like crazy to get back out there because he was scared Foles would take his job. I don’t think the Eagles realized how fragile (physically and mentally) Wentz really was until it was too late, but the cracks started to show during the SB season at least for the players and some coaches. Those who had issues with Wentz got ousted. At that time Wentz was their guy. Foles was the guy who stepped up when he was needed most. 

29 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Eagles did rush Wentz back and the reason was Foles was kind of shaky those first two games. The game he won he was real bad, and the game he lost against Tampa he was decent. I do think Wentz also had a lot to do with getting back. He worked like crazy to get back out there because he was scared Foles would take his job. I don’t think the Eagles realized how fragile (physically and mentally) Wentz really was until it was too late, but the cracks started to show during the SB season at least for the players and some coaches. Those who had issues with Wentz got ousted. At that time Wentz was their guy. Foles was the guy who stepped up when he was needed most. 

Yeah, he definitely had one rough game there out of the two starts at the beginning of the season.  I just didn't think it was enough to hit the panic button and rush your #2 pick back out there 9 months after an ACL tear.  I'd have given Foles a few more games personally, and if they were winning you leave him in, if they were losing you put a more healed Wentz back in. 

On 10/23/2023 at 12:28 AM, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

Yeah, he definitely had one rough game there out of the two starts at the beginning of the season.  I just didn't think it was enough to hit the panic button and rush your #2 pick back out there 9 months after an ACL tear.  I'd have given Foles a few more games personally, and if they were winning you leave him in, if they were losing you put a more healed Wentz back in. 

It was more about Wentz rushing himself back. I believe that Carson injured his back much sooner than the Eagles knew, but he was trying not to tell the Eagles about for fear of losing his spot to Foles. With that being the case even if Nick got more games who’s to say he stays healthy or consistent? He’s struggled with both his entire career. 

On 10/24/2023 at 1:17 PM, EazyEaglez said:

It was more about Wentz rushing himself back. I believe that Carson injured his back much sooner than the Eagles knew, but he was trying not to tell the Eagles about for fear of losing his spot to Foles. With that being the case even if Nick got more games who’s to say he stays healthy or consistent? He’s struggled with both his entire career. 

Well yeah, he could have gotten hurt or not played that well, although just as an Eagle his stats are quite good.  So if I was in that situation, I'm not letting my #2 pick rush back to playing after a serious knee injury when I have a Super Bowl MVP backup. 

13 hours ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

Well yeah, he could have gotten hurt or not played that well, although just as an Eagle his stats are quite good.  So if I was in that situation, I'm not letting my #2 pick rush back to playing after a serious knee injury when I have a Super Bowl MVP backup. 

Clearly they weren’t as enamored with Foles as a whole. There were the rumors that Foles was a poor practice player. There was also the fact they had to basically change the offense for Foles, because he couldn’t run the normal stuff as effectively. It wasn’t an open and shut case. There were many wrinkles to the Foles/Wentz drama/dynamic. 

If Foles could have stayed healthier in his career and been more consistent when he was healthy then he would have been a top QB in the league for the Eagles or some other team. The fact is he couldn't do either. Just be glad we got him healthy during one of his good streaks at the perfect time.

I can't believe anyone is still debating Foles. Be grateful for his miracle run and leave it at that. 

BDN should be the backup over that bum Mariota 

I love Foles and he is BDN.  But in reality he is the Eagles Jeff Hostetler.

On 10/26/2023 at 4:54 AM, EazyEaglez said:

Clearly they weren’t as enamored with Foles as a whole. There were the rumors that Foles was a poor practice player. There was also the fact they had to basically change the offense for Foles, because he couldn’t run the normal stuff as effectively. It wasn’t an open and shut case. There were many wrinkles to the Foles/Wentz drama/dynamic. 

I don't remember the poor practice stuff, but it was a while ago.  But yes, I already acknowledged that it was a really unique and complicated situation. 

On 10/27/2023 at 7:46 PM, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

I don't remember the poor practice stuff, but it was a while ago.  But yes, I already acknowledged that it was a really unique and complicated situation. 

It is what it is and we just have to move on from it. Foles got us the chip and did what none of the others could do and we will always appreciate him for it.