Just now, Swoop said:

 

We won and that's all that matters. For week one. It's not sustainable for long-term success, as we saw last season.

You mean when we had a top 10 offense and the 30th best defense? Let me check to see how many teams won Super Bowls with a bottom three defense? I am sure there has to be 20 or so of them. 

6 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

You mean when we had a top 10 offense and the 30th best defense? Let me check to see how many teams won Super Bowls with a bottom three defense? I am sure there has to be 20 or so of them. 

Sniff sniff... that defense :(

8 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

You mean when we had a top 10 offense and the 30th best defense? Let me check to see how many teams won Super Bowls with a bottom three defense? I am sure there has to be 20 or so of them. 

That same top 10 offense that averaged a whopping 18 points a game from the 49ers game through the Bucs game.

They both stunk

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

That same top 10 offense that averaged a whopping 18 points a game from the 49ers game through the Bucs game.

They both stunk

And how many did we score against GB? Seemed like more than 18,didn't it? 

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

And how many did we score against GB? Seemed like more than 18,didn't it? 

Sure did.

They did it for a while last season too. Then the wheels on both sides of the ball fell off.

A lot of turnovers aren't a good thing. Sooner or later it'll cost you.

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Sure did.

They did it for a while last season too. Then the wheels on both sides of the ball fell off.

A lot of turnovers aren't a good thing. Sooner or later it'll cost you.

No one is saying a lot of turnovers is a good thing. But Allen and Mahomes turn it over a lot as well. And they are considered to be really good qbs. So maybe taking risks is just part of the elite qb equation, and you will have to accept it. 

 

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Did you watch tbe game? Did you see the final drive? That's what guys care about. A qb that puts the team on his back and wins games. That's why Hurts is elite. 

Players get it. You don't. Which is fine. 

Players also get that turnovers can kill drives and momentum. There was a reason why they were the unhappiest 19 win team last year. It’s hard to commend Jalen for bailing the team out when his poor judgment is what put them in the whole to begin with. Simply put Jalen has to play better. 

3 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Did you watch tbe game? Did you see the final drive? That's what guys care about. A qb that puts the team on his back and wins games. That's why Hurts is elite. 

Players get it. You don't. Which is fine. 

Nothing about Hurts Friday night involved putting the team on his back.  The team dragged Hurts forward with them on Friday.

36 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Nothing about Hurts Friday night involved putting the team on his back.  The team dragged Hurts forward with them on Friday.

I am not shocked u think that. 

3 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Did you watch tbe game? Did you see the final drive? That's what guys care about. A qb that puts the team on his back and wins games. That's why Hurts is elite. 

Players get it. You don't. Which is fine. 

Nothing about hurts has been elite in awhile..  

3 hours ago, jsb235 said:

No one is saying a lot of turnovers is a good thing. But Allen and Mahomes turn it over a lot as well. And they are considered to be really good qbs. So maybe taking risks is just part of the elite qb equation, and you will have to accept it. 

 

Mahomes can turn the ball over until he's blue in the face. The guy is already a first ballot Hall of Famer

52 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Mahomes can turn the ball over until he's blue in the face. The guy is already a first ballot Hall of Famer

Hurts already has more fumbles in 4 less seasons played lol

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

I am not shocked u think that. 

Who does Hurts make better on this offense? AJ and DeVonta are top tier receivers on 31 other teams. Saquon is a top RB on any other team with a decent offensive line. It should be Hurts’ job to manage the game, hit open targets, use his legs when necessary, not make dumb throws, and limit turnovers. If he does most of those on a consistent basis, this team wins 13 games on talent alone. He has been a turnover machine for a year now and overall more of a hindrance. 
 

The thing I give him credit for is that I do believe he has a clutch factor and puts together drives more times than not when he absolutely has to. I have confidence in him to get it done in the end, but I also am not surprised when he makes some of the dumbest decisions you can imagine. He needs to temper that variance down and stop playing homerun ball. 
 

He’s closer to Brock Purdy than he is Mahomes and that’s okay. The coaches just have to realize that and game plan that way. This should be Saquon’s offense moving forward, not Jalen’s. 

7 hours ago, jsb235 said:

So maybe taking risks is just part of the elite qb equation, and you will have to accept it. 

Also just to circle back:

Taking risks is fine. That's part of the game. There isn't much "risk" involved with under throwing a ball into triple coverage deep on your side of the field. It's just a stupid play that will consistently be a bad idea.

Maybe you can explain how "risky" it was for a snap to go right through Jalen's hands at the goal line.

I agree QB1 has to make better decisions and see the field better, taking the easy pass more often than not. And I agree he has to lower the turnovers. However, I don´t know that snap fumble is on Jalen. It might be, but we don´t know that. Could be bad timing from Jurgens, could be miscommunication along the line. There´s plenty of other explanations.

1 hour ago, kiwinavega said:

I agree QB1 has to make better decisions and see the field better, taking the easy pass more often than not. And I agree he has to lower the turnovers. However, I don´t know that snap fumble is on Jalen. It might be, but we don´t know that. Could be bad timing from Jurgens, could be miscommunication along the line. There´s plenty of other explanations.

The first one was definitely on Jurgens. The second one looked more on Hurts, but you're right. We don't truly know. We do know that the ball slipped right through his hands though.

That said, the point was that there have been plenty of turnovers he has committed that have nothing to do with risk.

What risk was involved when he fumbled in the Superbowl?

Now obviously mistakes happen and I get that too, but let's collectively agree that the bulk of his turnovers aren't because of "taking risks".

3 hours ago, Swoop said:

Also just to circle back:

Taking risks is fine. That's part of the game. There isn't much "risk" involved with under throwing a ball into triple coverage deep on your side of the field. It's just a stupid play that will consistently be a bad idea.

Maybe you can explain how "risky" it was for a snap to go right through Jalen's hands at the goal line.

 It was third and 15 from the 5 yard line. He threw a deep ball that got intercepted. What was the real difference between that and a punt from deep in our own endzone? 

But why give your elite receiver a chance to make a big play when you can pick up 4 yards on a checkdown? Amiright? 

Jesus, next time I have to "circle back" on something, it shouldn't be to explain the existence of risk reward. 

Not to argue the broader point about some of Hurts´s decision making not being as consistently good as we would like, but a little recognition that the other team can make plays - on both sides of the ball - is seldom taken into account when we assess our own team´s performance

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

But why give your elite receiver a chance to make a big play when you can pick up 4 yards on a checkdown? Amiright? 

Yeah, triple coverage is a great example of giving your receiver a chance on a play.

I'm fine with "punting", but you do so by throwing a jump ball to AJ Brown. You don't do it by throwing a near impossible ask of the WR. By the way that "deep ball" was picked off at the 35 yard line, almost guaranteeing at least 3 points immediately, which was fortunately what we held them to.

Week one of a scoreless game in the first quarter, mind you.

Are you Hurts in disguise? 

36 minutes ago, kiwinavega said:

Not to argue the broader point about some of Hurts´s decision making not being as consistently good as we would like, but a little recognition that the other team can make plays - on both sides of the ball - is seldom taken into account when we assess our own team´s performance

They absolutely get played to make plays. This is true.

The problem is a lot of these turnovers are avoidable. That's the frustrating part.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

 It was third and 15 from the 5 yard line. He threw a deep ball that got intercepted. What was the real difference between that and a punt from deep in our own endzone? 

But why give your elite receiver a chance to make a big play when you can pick up 4 yards on a checkdown? Amiright? 

Jesus, next time I have to "circle back" on something, it shouldn't be to explain the existence of risk reward. 

You’re a dope

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

 It was third and 15 from the 5 yard line. He threw a deep ball that got intercepted. What was the real difference between that and a punt from deep in our own endzone? 

But why give your elite receiver a chance to make a big play when you can pick up 4 yards on a checkdown? Amiright? 

Jesus, next time I have to "circle back" on something, it shouldn't be to explain the existence of risk reward. 

This is weak. Hurts was picked off at the 35 yard line. Even punting from our endzone, I think Mann could have managed to get it further than our own 35. Not to mention the possibility of a fair catch being called meaning you more likely than not don’t have the added yardage from a return. 

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

 It was third and 15 from the 5 yard line. He threw a deep ball that got intercepted. What was the real difference between that and a punt from deep in our own endzone? 

But why give your elite receiver a chance to make a big play when you can pick up 4 yards on a checkdown? Amiright? 

Jesus, next time I have to "circle back" on something, it shouldn't be to explain the existence of risk reward. 

😂 Dammit!! You had me going on this profile.  I knew nobody could be this dumb.  
 

Well played, sir.

5 hours ago, kiwinavega said:

Not to argue the broader point about some of Hurts´s decision making not being as consistently good as we would like, but a little recognition that the other team can make plays - on both sides of the ball - is seldom taken into account when we assess our own team´s performance

I get it, but 17 interceptions and 12 fumbles in 20 games isn’t only about the competition. Hurts is not protecting the football nearly as well as he needs to. 

Jalen Wentz