4 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Your tax dollars don't go to the Church

In this case it is The money that the government "saves” by the work of non profits, religious or otherwise is real but irrelevant. They are protected from being raped by the IRS. If the government took $80 billion a year from religious organizations, they would not be in the position to do what they do. They wouldn’t be able to build huge tax free buildings, or buy tax free supplies and equipment..... They mutually benefit each other by staying out of each other’s way. Keep eroding that separation and it will hurt everyone  

 

1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said:

In this case it is The money that the government "saves” by the work of non profits, religious or otherwise is real but irrelevant. They are protected from being raped by the IRS. If the government took $80 billion a year from religious organizations, they would not be in the position to do what they do. They wouldn’t be able to build huge tax free buildings, or buy tax free supplies and equipment..... They mutually benefit each other by staying out of each other’s way. Keep eroding that separation and it will hurt everyone  

 

Religious groups persuaded the Trump administration to free them from a rule that typically disqualifies an applicant with more than 500 workers. Without this preferential treatment, many Catholic dioceses would have been ineligible because — between their head offices, parishes and other affiliates — their employees exceed the 500-person cap.

 

"The government grants special dispensation, and that creates a kind of structural favoritism," said Micah Schwartzman, a University of Virginia law professor specializing in constitutional issues and religion who has studied the Paycheck Protection Program. "And that favoritism was worth billions of dollars."

In Orange County, California, where a sparkling glass cathedral estimated to cost over $70 million recently opened, diocesan officials working at the complex received four loans worth at least $3 million.

 

 

11 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

It shouldn't.  That's why we have "separation of church and state".

And I assure you, when it comes to the Catholic Church, the benefits the Catholic Church gives YOUR government outweigh the benefits it receives.  By BILLIONS of dollars.

The real question is, why do my donations to my church, go to paying and subsidizing people whose job it is to further advance their government? 

Why is their government dependent on my church?

 

 

I don’t give a F about what tangential benefits the Catholic Church gives anyone. 
 

The thing about your donations is that you can chose not to donate them. I can’t do that with taxes. Also the law is pretty clear on this. 

9 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

In this case it is The money that the government "saves” by the work of non profits, religious or otherwise is real but irrelevant. They are protected from being raped by the IRS. If the government took $80 billion a year from religious organizations, they would not be in the position to do what they do. They wouldn’t be able to build huge tax free buildings, or buy tax free supplies and equipment..... They mutually benefit each other by staying out of each other’s way. Keep eroding that separation and it will hurt everyone  

 

 

3 hours ago, Bill said:

I don’t give a F about what tangential benefits the Catholic Church gives anyone. 
 

The thing about your donations is that you can chose not to donate them. I can’t do that with taxes. Also the law is pretty clear on this. 

You can go ahead and tax the Church.  By doing so, you’ll also need to tax all other non-profit organizations.  The money collected from those taxes will only be a drop in the bucket compared to what the government saves thanks to the Church and other non-profits.  
 

The Church and other non-profits will then need to cut spending on charitable safety nets, schools, healthcare facilities, etc. 
 

Guess what happens next?   The government takes on the additional burden of the cuts from the Church, non-profits, etc and raises YOUR taxes or further goes into debt.  
 

So go ahead, start taxing the Church and other non-profits and see how that works out for you. 
 

And by the way, how much tax do you think you will collect from taxing the church and non profits?  Have you guys ever owned a business?  Businesses are taxed on their profits so if a business does not make a profit, how much tax does that business pay?  That’s right, they don’t.

So in reality the only tax you could potentially collect is some form of property taxes and maybe some minor corporate filing fees.  Maybe some additional payroll taxes from the non-lay people employees but since many non-profits and Churches have volunteers or folks working a near-minimum wages, you won’t get much there either. 
 

Either you are hard headed, dumb, or so indoctrinated. 

I don't care what the church does or how much money they save or how many people they employee. My tax money should NOT be bailing out a religious organization of any kind, period. The church has how any BILLIONS of dollars in rainy day funds or properties/land they could sell, or art they have stored away.  Well I guess the rainy day fund is being used to pay victim's of rape at the of potentially billions and taxpayers have to pay to re supply the fund. 

Just like taxpayers should NOT be paying victims to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars because of misuse of police force. 

New wave of sexual-abuse lawsuits could cost Catholic Church more than $4 billion

"New wave of sexual-abuse lawsuits could cost Catholic Church more than $4 billion" https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/new-wave-of-sexual-abuse-lawsuits-could-cost-catholic-church-over-4-billion-2019-12-02

TAX THE CHURCHES!

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

 

You can go ahead and tax the Church.  By doing so, you’ll also need to tax all other non-profit organizations.  The money collected from those taxes will only be a drop in the bucket compared to what the government saves thanks to the Church and other non-profits.  
 

The Church and other non-profits will then need to cut spending on charitable safety nets, schools, healthcare facilities, etc. 
 

Guess what happens next?   The government takes on the additional burden of the cuts from the Church, non-profits, etc and raises YOUR taxes or further goes into debt.  
 

So go ahead, start taxing the Church and other non-profits and see how that works out for you. 
 

And by the way, how much tax do you think you will collect from taxing the church and non profits?  Have you guys ever owned a business?  Businesses are taxed on their profits so if a business does not make a profit, how much tax does that business pay?  That’s right, they don’t.

So in reality the only tax you could potentially collect is some form of property taxes and maybe some minor corporate filing fees.  Maybe some additional payroll taxes from the non-lay people employees but since many non-profits and Churches have volunteers or folks working a near-minimum wages, you won’t get much there either. 
 

Yeah if the Catholic Church runs out of money maybe they can melt down some of the gold in the Vatican. 

there are some so-called non-profits out there that really seem to have hoards of money around.

 

is joel olsteen ok ?

22 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Either you are hard headed, dumb, or so indoctrinated. 

I don't care what the church does or how much money they save or how many people they employee. My tax money should NOT be bailing out a religious organization of any kind, period. The church has how any BILLIONS of dollars in rainy day funds or properties/land they could sell, or art they have stored away.  Well I guess the rainy day fund is being used to pay victim's of rape at the of potentially billions and taxpayers have to pay to re supply the fund. 

Just like taxpayers should NOT be paying victims to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars because of misuse of police force. 

New wave of sexual-abuse lawsuits could cost Catholic Church more than $4 billion

"New wave of sexual-abuse lawsuits could cost Catholic Church more than $4 billion" https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/new-wave-of-sexual-abuse-lawsuits-could-cost-catholic-church-over-4-billion-2019-12-02

Then your tax money shouldnt have been used to shut down the churches.  

See how that works?

If the govt would have left churches alone to conduct mass, youd cry

But instead they shut them down and now rightfully owe them money, so you cry

 

Either way you cry because you have it out for one of the most charitable (if not THE most) organizations on the entire planet Earth.   This has little to do with taxes and everything to do with your-alls hatred of organized religion

On 7/11/2020 at 2:53 PM, Bill said:

Pablo Escobar was charitable, too. 

Yeah you're drunk and your metaphors suck

On 7/12/2020 at 12:37 AM, Bill said:

Why should my tax money go to paying people whose job it is to further a religion. 

Because your tax money was used by bureaucrats to shut the churches down

Its really no more complex than that

3 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Because your tax money was used by bureaucrats to shut the churches down

Its really no more complex than that

My tax money is used to shut down prostitution and drug dealing. 
 

Where’s their bailout?

3 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

your metaphors suck

Almost as much as attending church. 

1 minute ago, Bill said:

My tax money is used to shut down prostitution and drug dealing. 

That is just as much a waste of tax payer money. 

3 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Then your tax money shouldnt have been used to shut down the churches.  

See how that works?

If the govt would have left churches alone to conduct mass, youd cry

But instead they shut them down and now rightfully owe them money, so you cry

 

Either way you cry because you have it out for one of the most charitable (if not THE most) organizations on the entire planet Earth.   This has little to do with taxes and everything to do with your-alls hatred of organized religion

Yeah you're drunk and your metaphors suck

I owe them money?  That is news to me and didn't know people still couldn't donate money.

Jesus is all mighty, but damn he sure sucks at managing money.

22 minutes ago, Bill said:

My tax money is used to shut down prostitution and drug dealing. 
 

Where’s their bailout?

Almost as much as attending church. 

How many schools, churches, and charities do drug dealers and prostitutes operate?

This is idiotic, go have this conversation with a middle school student where it belongs

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

How many schools, churches, and charities do drug dealers and prostitutes operate?

This is idiotic, go have this conversation with a middle school student where it belongs

So churches are charitable because they operate churches?

Did you not going to church prevent you from mailing them a check?

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

How many schools, churches, and charities do drug dealers and prostitutes operate?

This is idiotic, go have this conversation with a middle school student where it belongs

You and your church leaders should tag along for that conversation with the middle school student. Maybe the middle schooler could help you set up online streaming church service like most other churches did/do. Ways to continue donating could be broadcast and everything.

Its really no more complex than that.

1 minute ago, Bill said:

So churches are charitable because they operate churches?

Did you not going to church prevent you from mailing them a check?

Ok authoritarian, tell me what other constitutional rights the government should suppress, Im curious

What a clown you are, comparing churches to prostitutes and drug dealers like a child. 

2 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

You and your church leaders should tag along for that conversation with the middle school student. Maybe the middle schooler could help you set up online streaming church service like most other churches did/do. Ways to continue donating could be broadcast and everything.

Its really no more complex than that.

Yeah 80 year olds will love that steaming service

This is cute, the godless commies trying their best to use the government to stamp out religion. 

26 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Yeah 80 year olds will love that steaming service

This is cute, the godless commies trying their best to use the government to stamp out religion. 

Actually we are the ones that are for the separation of church and state. Though you still don’t know what a commie is either.  You guys are the ones that keep trying to let the government in whenever it suits you. Keep lowering that wall to let your cronies over and see who stamps out the church. 

3 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Yeah 80 year olds will love that steaming service

This is cute, the godless commies trying their best to use the government to stamp out religion. 

My grandma is exactly one of those 80 year olds who enjoyed one of those streaming Catholic Church services. She continues to donate without any problem. What’s your problem? Too stupid?

5 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Ok authoritarian, tell me what other constitutional rights the government should suppress, Im curious

What a clown you are, comparing churches to prostitutes and drug dealers like a child. 

So I’m authoritarian because I don’t want the government to be authoritarian? 
 

Interesting. 
 

I didn’t know you were a liberal who was ok with government handouts. 

11 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Ok authoritarian, tell me what other constitutional rights the government should suppress, Im curious

What a clown you are, comparing churches to prostitutes and drug dealers like a child. 

It’s obvious some folks in here never ran a business nor do they understand US tax code. 
 

As far as the Catholic Church goes, it operates as a non-profit organization.  
 

They wouldn’t get much tax from it, even if they tried.  All the Catholic Church would need to do is setup various non-profit organizations/businesses  within it. (Some already operate that way and don’t even use the Church exemption).

  It would create additional accounting costs for the Church but that’s more than likely what they would do if they lost their "Church tax exempt status”. 
 

It’s really a non-argument when it comes to the Catholic Church but some far left liberals seem to like to come up with their own set of false, (conspiracy theory type) memes. 

34 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

It’s really a non-argument when it comes to the Catholic Church but some far left liberals seem to like to come up with their own set of false, (conspiracy theory type) memes. 

you do realize some that are arguing this here aren't libs let alone far left ?

12 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

you do realize some that are arguing this here aren't libs let alone far left ?

I've seen fringe groups from both sides that seem to believe some of the same conspiracy theories, so it wouldn't surprise me.