Road to Victory Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 This is according to Clay Harbor. Howie didn’t even offer him a contract. If this is true Howie had a horrible offseason. Passing on CJGJ and Edwards, only to resign Bradberry, extend Slay and sign Morrow. https://x.com/clayharbs82/status/1748159668684247065?s=61&t=e9yGgysitybJoXCHbbEufA 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawkinsOwnage03 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Sucks man always liked him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Vagabond Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Isn’t hindsight great? You’re never wrong! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beto_eagles Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Yeah, I'm sure Howie regrets that decision. Sometimes people make mistakes, believe it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road to Victory Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 13 minutes ago, The Holy Vagabond said: Isn’t hindsight great? You’re never wrong! Not hindsight. I always liked Edwards and he went dirt cheap. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselEagle Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 this isn't news. of course he wanted to come back. all the other stuff is just rumor. Of course roseman didn't reach out to Edwards directly he probably would have reached out to his agent. agent could have screwed it all up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road to Victory Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 6 minutes ago, DieselEagle said: this isn't news. of course he wanted to come back. all the other stuff is just rumor. Of course roseman didn't reach out to Edwards directly he probably would have reached out to his agent. agent could have screwed it all up. Sure it’s news. Everyone around here believes that Edwards didn’t want to come back and wanted to play for his hometown Bears. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2rock Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, The Holy Vagabond said: Isn’t hindsight great? You’re never wrong! Not sure how that would be considered hindsight ... Edwards was playing well here and should have been re-signed. Howie doing Howie things likely didn't want to invest in the position (if true). 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanEagle77 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, Road to Victory said: This is according to Clay Harbor. Howie didn’t even offer him a contract. If this is true Howie had a horrible offseason. Passing on CJGJ and Edwards, only to resign Bradberry, extend Slay and sign Morrow. https://x.com/clayharbs82/status/1748159668684247065?s=61&t=e9yGgysitybJoXCHbbEufA Wait. Like former EAGLES Clay Harbor? That's...oh, that's bad. Real bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehardfan Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 47 minutes ago, beto_eagles said: Yeah, I'm sure Howie regrets that decision. Sometimes people make mistakes, believe it or not. Yeah, he makes a freaking ton of them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles1960 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I believe it. Money talks and BS walks. Edwards had a pretty solid 2021 and could have been offered a multi year contract with a decent bonus. I doubt Harbor just dreamed this. Howie won't invest in the LB position. An organizational philosophy. They let Trotter walk. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBW Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Does clay realize that TJ signed with the bears 15 minutes into the legal tampering period? TJ took the first deal that was offered to him, in his hometown, and everyone knew he wanted to go there. As an UDFA he did well for himself. He shouldn’t be throwing any shade at Howie. It’s not like he said, hey Howie I’ll come back if you can get within x amount of this offer from the bears. This is just clay trying to make a name for himself by piling on to Donovan’s recent Howie criticism. Former players need to gtfoh with all their tired BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portyansky Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 CJGJ was offered a contract BTW. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricAllenPick6 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Yeah, Howie whiffed on that one. He's done enough good over the years that I think we can excuse a few bad decisions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beto_eagles Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, Diehardfan said: Yeah, he makes a freaking ton of them Like every other GM. And he does good things more frequently than most GMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehardfan Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 4 minutes ago, beto_eagles said: Like every other GM. And he does good things more frequently than most GMs. Or he made a couple of vet signings the SB year and got lucky as hell vs all the years since when they haven't worked out. If we are being honest is he bad? No. Is he overrated? Absolutely. He blows so many draft picks that this team is in the position they are vs the 49ers who grow their talent for the most part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beto_eagles Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Or he made a couple of vet signings the SB year and got lucky as hell vs all the years since when they haven't worked out. If we are being honest is he bad? No. Is he overrated? Absolutely. He blows so many draft picks that this team is in the position they are vs the 49ers who grow their talent for the most part. Lol, you just compared Roseman to the guy who gave like 4 first round picks for a dude who's not even on the team. If you're playing that game, Lynch got veeeery lucky he got Purdy or he might have been fired by now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehardfan Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 5 minutes ago, beto_eagles said: Lol, you just compared Roseman to the guy who gave like 4 first round picks for a dude who's not even on the team. If you're playing that game, Lynch got veeeery lucky he got Purdy or he might have been fired by now. And let's talk about that defense and offense and the skill positions. Bad OL? Yeah, but they are consistently a damn good team that builds. Who has Howie drafted? Smith. Cam. Carter fell to him. Nobody else on defense. Howie isn't bad but he is not as freaking good as people make him out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said: Wait. Like former EAGLES Clay Harbor? That's...oh, that's bad. Real bad. Well Clay didn't hear it firsthand, he said "a source." Who knows. There are always these "sources" that come out of nowhere when the team loses. We didn't hear this all year. All we knew was TJ wanted to go back to his hometown Chicago and signed immediately in free agency. But you never know. Howie also let Kyzir White walk and he should have kept him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beto_eagles Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 minute ago, Diehardfan said: And let's talk about that defense and offense and the skill positions. Bad OL? Yeah, but they are consistently a damn good team that builds. Who has Howie drafted? Smith. Cam. Carter fell to him. Nobody else on defense. Dude, let's take a look at all of Lynch's first round picks: 2017 Solomon Thomas - no longer a 49er 2017 Reuben Foster - no longer an NFL player 2018 McGlinchey - no longer a 49er 2019 Bosa - great pick although he was #2 overall 2020 Kinlaw - great pick 2020 - Aiyuk - very good pick 2021 - Trey Lance - arguably the worst pick in the history of the NFL 2022 - no pick 2023 - no pick So, explain to me how exactly are they building internally and grow their talent for the most part? Don't get me wrong, Lynch is a heck of a GM, but you have a pretty bad case of recency bias when you think he's way better than Roseman. As I said, all GMs make mistakes, the good ones fix them. Both, Lynch and Roseman, have proven multiple times that they can correct their wrongs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road to Victory Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 4 minutes ago, beto_eagles said: Dude, let's take a look at all of Lynch's first round picks: 2017 Solomon Thomas - no longer a 49er 2017 Reuben Foster - no longer an NFL player 2018 McGlinchey - no longer a 49er 2019 Bosa - great pick although he was #2 overall 2020 Kinlaw - great pick 2020 - Aiyuk - very good pick 2021 - Trey Lance - arguably the worst pick in the history of the NFL 2022 - no pick 2023 - no pick So, explain to me how exactly are they building internally and grow their talent for the most part? Don't get me wrong, Lynch is a heck of a GM, but you have a pretty bad case of recency bias when you think he's way better than Roseman. As I said, all GMs make mistakes, the good ones fix them. Both, Lynch and Roseman, have proven multiple times that they can correct their wrongs. You’re just cherry picking 1st rounders. Lynch has drafted a bunch of Pro-Bowl level players in other rounds. I would take him over Howie in a heartbeat. Besides, guys like Thomas and McGlinchey are not busts, they just left the team. Sure, Trey Lance was a very bad pick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beto_eagles Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 15 minutes ago, Road to Victory said: You’re just cherry picking 1st rounders. Lynch has drafted a bunch of Pro-Bowl level players in other rounds. I would take him over Howie in a heartbeat. Besides, guys like Thomas and McGlinchey are not busts, they just left the team. Sure, Trey Lance was a very bad pick. Just like Howie. Since you seem to have forgotten about the current Pro-Bowl level players he's drafted or traded for, I'll just list them and let you keep complaining about the Eagles: Hurts Mailata Dickerson Kelce Lane Swift Brown Goedert Sweat Slay Byard Cox (Smith was snubbed) (Carter will possibly be DROY) If we include free agents like Elliot, Bradberry and Reddick, that's 17 Pro-Bowl level players. I don't know about you, but the number sounds pretty good to me. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerdog Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 minutes ago, beto_eagles said: Just like Howie. Since you seem to have forgotten about the current Pro-Bowl level players he's drafted or traded for, I'll just list them and let you keep complaining about the Eagles: Hurts Mailata Dickerson Kelce Lane Swift Brown Goedert Sweat Slay Byard Cox (Smith was snubbed) (Carter will possibly be DROY) If we include free agents like Elliot, Bradberry and Reddick, that's 17 Pro-Bowl level players. I don't know about you, but the number sounds pretty good to me. yes that is an impressive list, but the problem is that there is no one at LB , S, or CB that were groomed in the system, that are pro-bowl level players... No Sheldon Browns, No Brian Dawkins, No Jeremiah Trotters Howie has done very well in the trenches and a couple of skill positions. But he has not done well on the second and third layers of the defense as far as drafting....and developing talent, which leads to the problem of having to buy players at those positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road to Victory Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 57 minutes ago, beto_eagles said: Just like Howie. Since you seem to have forgotten about the current Pro-Bowl level players he's drafted or traded for, I'll just list them and let you keep complaining about the Eagles: Hurts Mailata Dickerson Kelce Lane Swift Brown Goedert Sweat Slay Byard Cox (Smith was snubbed) (Carter will possibly be DROY) If we include free agents like Elliot, Bradberry and Reddick, that's 17 Pro-Bowl level players. I don't know about you, but the number sounds pretty good to me. You’re comparing apples to oranges. How do you compare guys that Howie had to trade/sign to guys Lynch drafted? When you sign a free agent or trade for a player, you’re paying a premium. Howie had to give up a 1st and 3rd to get AJ Brown because he missed on Jefferson and Metcalf. Had he drafted either one, we would’ve had 2 additional draft picks. Besides Howie didn’t draft all those guys. AR and/or Chip Kelly are responsible for Kelce, Cox and Lane. Take away those guys and all the free agents and/or guys Howie traded for and this team would have very little talent. Could you imagine this team without Swift, Brown, Reddick and Slay? Howie had to make all those trades/ sign FA’s to hide his ineptitude at drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles1960 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 The Eagles could have re-signed/extended Edwards at anytime. The Bears had to wait until FA. The Eagles literally had two seasons to give him an extension. He is a quality LB, just below pro bowl level. Maybe he is pro bowl level but that is semantics. The Eagles didn't replace him. He wouldn't have broken the bank. That one bothers me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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