I might be a bit late to the debate, but I've been learning a bit that the divide between globalism and nationalism might be a completely different axis than the divide between left and right.

One commentator pointed out that you have nationalists like Marie Le Pen who believe in minimum wages and high regulations, but also closed borders.   On the other hand you have Trump who believes in closed borders but also getting rid of regulations.

Then you have like George W Bush who is a globalist conservative.  Or Obama who is a globalist leftist.

What do you think of Globalism?  If you're a leftist nationalist, what do you do about this election?

 

The cost of making everything in the US would blow the mind of most Murica only people. 

Yeah but what's the cost of having a one world government or either that or just allowing multinationals to go ungoverned

 

besides, we could reduce the cost of our labor by 30% just by abolishing the income tax

4 hours ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

Yeah but what's the cost of having a one world government or either that or just allowing multinationals to go ungoverned

 

besides, we could reduce the cost of our labor by 30% just by abolishing the income tax

I've made this case often and I have repeatedly framed Trump's win in 2016 as victory for Nationalism over Globalism.  Anybody who was surpised by Trump's election was paying absolutely no attention when Brexit happened just 4-5 months earlier.

 

It isn't popular to say this even among the left, but I am an unabashed Globalist.  There is only one way forward.  If you know what the pitfalls of Globalism are then let's take them on as we go, but the only way to go is still forward towards a singular Global culture.

47 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

I've made this case often and I have repeatedly framed Trump's win in 2016 as victory for Nationalism over Globalism.  Anybody who was surpised by Trump's election was paying absolutely no attention when Brexit happened just 4-5 months earlier.

 

It isn't popular to say this even among the left, but I am an unabashed Globalist.  There is only one way forward.  If you know what the pitfalls of Globalism are then let's take them on as we go, but the only way to go is still forward towards a singular Global culture.

If we’re going global then I’m not about to suffer 30% taxes to whatever global government there is.  It has to be a libertarian global government 

 

but I just think the odds of a global government being nice are low, so I’d rather keep my local government 

2 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

I've made this case often and I have repeatedly framed Trump's win in 2016 as victory for Nationalism over Globalism.  Anybody who was surpised by Trump's election was paying absolutely no attention when Brexit happened just 4-5 months earlier.

 

It isn't popular to say this even among the left, but I am an unabashed Globalist.  There is only one way forward.  If you know what the pitfalls of Globalism are then let's take them on as we go, but the only way to go is still forward towards a singular Global culture.

What in your right mind makes you think that one culture would be suitable for 7 billion different people?

 

13 minutes ago, TEW said:

What in your right mind makes you think that one culture would be suitable for 7 billion different people?

 

One society is a much, much better word.

3 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

One society is a much, much better word.

What makes you think "one society” would be any better?  

Take a look around the world my dude... there is no one-size-fits all society for every group of people and there never will be. We’re all different, not the same. We all want different things, not the same things. We all want to live in different ways, with different rules, different expectations and different standards, not the same ones.

Instead of forcing the whole world to be at each other’s throats by forcing us into one system that nobody will want or like, let’s just be adults and have different places for different people. There’s no reason to ever want a one world anything unless you’re having sophomoric utopian fantasies or you’re a dictatorial psychopath. 

 

4 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

...a singular Global culture.

... but seriously ... lol

To have a healthy collective that does not infringe on rights, you have to have a healthy division of sovereignty, and then the individual.

Globalism has pulled millions around the world out of poverty and fueled our consumer based economy. To think instability and poverty around the world doesn’t affect us is folly. 

4 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

I've made this case often and I have repeatedly framed Trump's win in 2016 as victory for Nationalism over Globalism.  Anybody who was surpised by Trump's election was paying absolutely no attention when Brexit happened just 4-5 months earlier.

 

It isn't popular to say this even among the left, but I am an unabashed Globalist.  There is only one way forward.  If you know what the pitfalls of Globalism are then let's take them on as we go, but the only way to go is still forward towards a singular Global culture.

You poor naive child...

6 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Globalism has pulled millions around the world out of poverty and fueled our consumer based economy. To think instability and poverty around the world doesn’t affect us is folly. 

You are thinking of capitalism. Which requires instability

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

You are thinking of capitalism. Which requires instability

Ironically, it is precisely those different societies and cultures and rules which has enabled us to drive manufacturing costs down, helping to enable our consumer driven economy.

42 minutes ago, TEW said:

Ironically, it is precisely those different societies and cultures and rules which has enabled us to drive manufacturing costs down, helping to enable our consumer driven economy.

3D printing will eventually kill the global supply chain. 
 

The only question is when. 

On 7/18/2020 at 8:34 AM, 20dawk4life said:

The cost of making everything in the US would blow the mind of most Murica only people. 

Yea, I'm pro globalism as long as its not with China. 

21 hours ago, Bill said:

3D printing will eventually kill the global supply chain. 
 

The only question is when. 

I doubt that. The raw materials still have to be made somewhere cost effectively

On 7/18/2020 at 8:34 AM, 20dawk4life said:

The cost of making everything in the US would blow the mind of most Murica only people. 

If I can find it I pay for it.

If not China is always last on the list if I decide to buy it at that point.

4 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

I doubt that. The raw materials still have to be made somewhere cost effectively

Yeah but the supply chain will eventually become very uncomplicated and that’s going to upend everything. Eventually the raw material will be shipped directly to the consumer. Imagine a world where you can 3D print your own smartphone. 
 

Obviously not going to happen anytime soon, but it is an eventuality. 

Growing population while less and less people are needed for employment/production. To try to continue society "the same as it's always been" (everyone for themselves) will be a train wreck.

19 hours ago, lynched1 said:

If I can find it I pay for it.

If not China is always last on the list if I decide to buy it at that point.

Lol. I rarely even look where stuff is made when I buy it.

20 hours ago, lynched1 said:

If I can find it I pay for it.

If not China is always last on the list if I decide to buy it at that point.

you must get down that list often. 

Something like 90% of the value of an imported product stays within the US. 

1 hour ago, Bill said:

Something like 90% of the value of an imported product stays within the US. 

But you don’t get to keep an American  manufacturer in business.