August 9, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Spoiler That's not entirely accurate, I suspect that whoever made up that image supports Walz and dislikes Vance, so it's biased in that light. Which shouldn't be done when listing military achievement/history. Vance served at a time when the GWOT SM was awarded, and would have received that. Also, he served in Operation Iraqi Freedom, so he would also have received an Iraq Campaign Medal. Added to those, he'd also have received a National Defense Service Medal. Looking at Walz's, I'd honestly have expected a lot more out of 24 years of service. Maybe it's because he was a NoGo, as opposed to being RA, that his aren't specifically that 'impressive'. Also, his actual highest rank 'attained', is Master Sergeant (E8). I'd be curious to see both men's DD-214's and compare them to what has been claimed over the years. If either of them lied or embellished their service record, then that's what they did and they deserve any and all criticism for it, and BOTH sides of the aisle should criticize them for it.
August 9, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: He performed the job but never actually attained the rank You're wrong, he did. A CBS News review of Walz's military record and statements from the Minnesota Army National Guard show Walz achieved the rank of command sergeant major but was reduced in rank to master sergeant after retirement since he had not completed coursework for the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tim-walz-military-record/
August 9, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: You're wrong, he did. His promotion was to that rank was contingent upon his completing the requirements for that rank. He never completed those requirements, so the promotion was never finalized and thus never 'attained'. He technically wore the rank and did the job for that rank, but never officially attained that rank. That's why he reverted back to his highest rank attained, Master Sergeant. Kamala Harris took over the Presidency from Biden when he had to have some procedure that required being put under (I think in 2021). In those moments, she was 'President', but having never been elected President and the real President not leaving office, she was 'reduced' back to Vice-President when Biden was alert again. If she loses this election, will she be a 'Retired Former President'? She was elevated to that position, for a time. Would she be correct to make that claim?
August 9, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: His promotion was to that rank was contingent upon his completing the requirements for that rank. He never completed those requirements, so the promotion was never finalized and thus never 'attained'. He technically wore the rank and did the job for that rank, but never officially attained that rank. That's why he reverted back to his highest rank attained, Master Sergeant. Kamala Harris took over the Presidency from Biden when he had to have some procedure that required being put under (I think in 2021). In those moments, she was 'President', but having never been elected President and the real President not leaving office, she was 'reduced' back to Vice-President when Biden was alert again. If she loses this election, will she be a 'Retired Former President'? She was elevated to that position, for a time. Would she be correct to make that claim? I don't think it's an apt analogy at all considering his record lists him as having attained that rank and hers will not state she served as president (at least not until January 21, 2025). Here's a military times article stating the same... Walz enlisted in the Army National Guard in Nebraska in 1981 and retired honorably in 2005 as the top enlisted soldier for 1st Battalion, 125th Field Artillery Regiment, in the Minnesota National Guard, according to a copy of his records provided by the Minnesota Guard. He reached the rank of command sergeant major and served in that role, but he officially retired as a master sergeant for benefits purposes because he didn't finish a required training course, according to the records and a statement from the Minnesota Guard. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/08/06/tim-walz-who-spent-decades-enlisted-soldier-brings-years-of-work-vets-issues-dem-ticket.html?amp=
August 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: That might wind you up with somebody like me. Not sure that's a good idea. 54 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: I feel like there should be a Junior Enlisted Advisor at all senior levels. It's the Junior Enlisted soldiers that do all the work, take all the crap and know all the problems. By Junior Enlisted, I'm talking E4 or E5. No lower, no higher. Of course that'll never happen lol. Just go one step further and have the E4 mafia nominate someone that serves on the Joint Chiefs.
August 9, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I don't think it's an apt analogy at all considering his record lists him as having attained that rank and hers will not state she served as president (at least not until January 21, 2025). Here's a military times article stating the same... It's a technical thing, in order to officially attain that rank, there were certain requirements. Did he fulfill those requirements? If he did, he attained that rank. If he didn't, he didn't. Articles can say whatever they say, but if block 4a of his DD-214 says Command Sergeant Major and Block 4b says E9, then that's that. If 4a says Master Sergeant and 4b says E8, then that's that. So he can redact his SSN from his DD-214 and release it and that will resolve all disputes about his rank.
August 9, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Bill said: Just go one step further and have the E4 mafia nominate someone that serves on the Joint Chiefs. They'd probably do a better job lol.
August 9, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: It's a technical thing, in order to officially attain that rank, there were certain requirements. Did he fulfill those requirements? If he did, he attained that rank. If he didn't, he didn't. Articles can say whatever they say, but if block 4a of his DD-214 says Command Sergeant Major and Block 4b says E9, then that's that. If 4a says Master Sergeant and 4b says E8, then that's that. So he can redact his SSN from his DD-214 and release it and that will resolve all disputes about his rank. I'd agree with you if you'd state it as maintain, instead of attain. He achieved the rank and it reverted when he retired prior to completing the coursework.
August 9, 20241 yr 52 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: That's not the issue that's in dispute, though, is it? I haven't followed it completely, but my understanding is that he claimed to be a "retired CSM" (as well as claiming to have carried his rifle 'in war'), no? He knew on the day of retirement that he wasn't a retired CSM, he was a retired Master Sergeant. He knew that even before he retired. He performed the job but never actually attained the rank. Which is totally fine, and nothing 'dishonorable' about that. But he knew from day one that the claim of being 'retired CSM' was false, and that can definitely be viewed as dishonorable. "Retired Command Sergeant Major" is much more prestigious than "Retired Master Sergeant". He obtained the rank of CSM but was reduced to MSG at retirement because he didn’t finish all of the required courses. He was a CSM when he retired, he just getting the pay of a MSG.
August 10, 20241 yr 45 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I'd agree with you if you'd state it as maintain, instead of attain. He achieved the rank and it reverted when he retired prior to completing the coursework. 34 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: He obtained the rank of CSM but was reduced to MSG at retirement because he didn’t finish all of the required courses. He was a CSM when he retired, he just getting the pay of a MSG. His DD-214 can clear it all up. Don't misunderstand what I'm saying though, I respect anyone that serves honorably. High rank or low. PV1 or General. It's lying about it after the fact that I'd take issue with and whether he 'obtained', 'attained' or any other word to describe it, he didn't retire as a CSM and he I'm completely confident that he full well knew that before, during and after his retirement. He temporarily did the job, but retired as a Master Sergeant... which is no small thing. Lying about it was stupid and just casts a shadow over him now.
August 10, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: His DD-214 can clear it all up I'm sure if it were to release it, he'd definitely secure your vote. Clearly that's the only thing keeping you on the fence.
August 10, 20241 yr 47 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: His DD-214 can clear it all up. Don't misunderstand what I'm saying though, I respect anyone that serves honorably. High rank or low. PV1 or General. It's lying about it after the fact that I'd take issue with and whether he 'obtained', 'attained' or any other word to describe it, he didn't retire as a CSM and he I'm completely confident that he full well knew that before, during and after his retirement. He temporarily did the job, but retired as a Master Sergeant... which is no small thing. Lying about it was stupid and just casts a shadow over him now. He’s not lying about sheet. He didn’t just temporarily do the job. He wore the rank of CSM, and served as the CSM. Few people other than MAGA GAF if he’s only getting retirement pay as a MSG.
August 10, 20241 yr 44 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I'm sure if it were to release it, he'd definitely secure your vote. Clearly that's the only thing keeping you on the fence. I get what you're saying, but you're talking to one of the coolest cats here and the big reason why we are all able to be here talking about it. Some temperament may be in order. 11 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: He’s not lying about sheet. He didn’t just temporarily do the job. He wore the rank of CSM, and served as the CSM. Few people other than MAGA GAF if he’s only getting retirement pay as a MSG. I think we're all getting lost in the weeds. My grandfather mustang'd and retired as an O-3, but for the first ten years of his retirement he had the retirement pay of E-8 and then after that his retirement pay went to O-3. I'm not sure the reason why (he retired in '70, maybe a lot of 'nam guys mustang'd, idk), but he was an O-3 and wore the rank and did the job and eventually got O-3 retirement pay.) Let's just all agree that he wore and the rank of did the job of an E-9, and when he retired he retired as an E-8.
August 10, 20241 yr Democrats move to avoid ‘Swift boat’ redux in attacks on Walz service A spokesman acknowledged that Walz "misspoke” in 2018 when he explained his support for gun regulations by saying he carried weapons "in war.” "Misspoke" = Lied his *** off and got busted. 🤣🤣🤣
August 10, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: I'm sure if it were to release it, he'd definitely secure your vote. Clearly that's the only thing keeping you on the fence. I don't care which side of the aisle a person comes from if they lie about their military service. I don't sit on fences though, and I'm not posting on this issue from a political standpoint. If you think back to the old EMB as well as the new EMB, I post a lot about the military. So I'm interested in this from that standpoint. I don't care who it is politically, if they lie about their military service (or misrepresent it), I dislike that. If he's telling the truth in all that he's said, his DD-214 will clear most (if not all) of that up. It's a simple thing to prove or disprove.
August 10, 20241 yr As always, I think it’s extremely important to dig into the weeds and make 100% sure what rank someone was and how long they held that rank in their 24 year military career when running against a rapist and convicted felon. Otherwise their might be a question as to whether they’re honorable enough to work in the West Wing.
August 10, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: As always, I think it’s extremely important to dig into the weeds and make 100% sure what rank someone was and how long they held that rank in their 24 year military career when running against a rapist and convicted felon. Otherwise their might be a question as to whether they’re honorable enough to work in the West Wing. I don't think it's sunk in for you just yet. G.I.Faux has been busted dead to rights. Nothing bent, misconstrued, taken out of context. He lied. Big deal. He's not a bigger piece of **** than any other communist in office. The best of it is having the likes of you attempt to brush it off, defend it, lament the story's very existence. It'll be OK. The pendulum never stops swinging. 🤣🤣🤣
August 10, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, lynched1 said: Democrats move to avoid ‘Swift boat’ redux in attacks on Walz service A spokesman acknowledged that Walz "misspoke” in 2018 when he explained his support for gun regulations by saying he carried weapons "in war.” "Misspoke" = Lied his *** off and got busted. 🤣🤣🤣 Defend Trump's insanity, go!
August 10, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Bill said: I get what you're saying, but you're talking to one of the coolest cats here and the big reason why we are all able to be here talking about it. Some temperament may be in order. I appreciate it, it's all good. I take no offense to anything said. All of us here may not know each other personally outside of the EMB, but we're all friends as far as I'm concerned and friends can disagree and argue and all that good stuff and still remain friends.
August 10, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, lynched1 said: Democrats move to avoid ‘Swift boat’ redux in attacks on Walz service A spokesman acknowledged that Walz "misspoke” in 2018 when he explained his support for gun regulations by saying he carried weapons "in war.” "Misspoke" = Lied his *** off and got busted. 🤣🤣🤣 Perhaps just an alternative fact. All good there.
August 10, 20241 yr 21 hours ago, DEagle7 said: You're welcome. If you don't want to be mocked maybe don't post crazy things over and over again 🤷. Or maybe just stay out of CVON. Stay away and I will not attack you - is that your premise? Did I do anything to warrant you calling me out personally - other than disagree with your politics? I'm just curious to see what your motivations might be.
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