August 10, 20241 yr 48 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said: Stay away and I will not attack you - is that your premise? Did I do anything to warrant you calling me out personally - other than disagree with your politics? I'm just curious to see what your motivations might be. Oh stop with the pearl-clutching nobody "attacked" you ya big baby. I made fun of you for falling lock step into the usual moronic lazy RNC talking points (DEI hire, communism is coming, tampons in our schools!). And my "premise" is you're so sensitive that someone mocking those viewpoints a bit then maybe CVON, and even WU in general, are probably not the place for you.
August 10, 20241 yr Why does JD Vance like Fing couches so much? Spoiler Because there's more cushion for the pushin'
August 10, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, DEagle7 said: Oh stop with the pearl-clutching nobody "attacked" you ya big baby. I made fun of you for falling lock step into the usual moronic lazy RNC talking points (DEI hire, communism is coming, tampons in our schools!). And my "premise" is you're so sensitive that someone mocking those viewpoints a bit then maybe CVON, and even WU in general, are probably not the place for you. I understand in the echo chamber that is the MSM and CVON to a great extent that you are not used to positions that disagree with whatever the Democratic party might be pushing - but that doesn't mean that we have to be disagreeable on a personal basis. Harris was clearly a DEI hire - and there are tampons in boys rooms in MN. Those things are reality - not necessarily RNC talking points.
August 10, 20241 yr Al Bonnifield served under Walz, as did his younger brother. Bonnifield vividly recalls the first time he saw his new sergeant upon returning from annual training. "He was down at the motorpool barking orders at everyone," Bonnifield said. Bonnifield said he and his squad mates weren't sure what to make of him. "We all kind of looked at him kind of funny like, 'Who is this guy?'" Bonnifield said. "But after a while we all got to know him and respect him very much." They worked together in the armory base supply shop. He knew Walz as a guy who would play practical jokes on fellow soldiers and who would chat up anyone, regardless of differences in rank. Bonnifield said they also bonded during a deployment to Italy connected to post-Sept. 11 Operation Enduring Freedom. After seven months abroad, the unit returned to Minnesota. But Walz had already begun thinking about an exit and bounced it off others, including Bonnifield. "Would the soldier look down on him because he didn't go with us? Would the common soldier say, 'Hey, he didn't go with us, he's trying to skip out on a deployment?' And he wasn't," Bonnifield said. "He talked with us for quite a while on that subject. He weighed that decision to run for Congress very heavy. He loved the military, he loved the guard, he loved the soldiers he worked with." Walz said it was merely time to leave and he saw a chance to make a difference in the public policy arena. "Once you're in, it's hard to retire. Of my 40 years or 41 years, I had been in the military 24 of them. It was just what you did," he said. "So that transition period was just a challenge." Bonnifield and his brother did deploy to Iraq, in different units. And they both dealt with severe mental health issues upon their return. Bonnifield said Walz the congressman worked to connect struggling Guard members with help and sought to cut red tape. "If you listen to him, he's got a very loud, strong voice," Bonnifield said. "But there's a very caring person inside. And one very good leader, too." https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/10/03/tim-walz-national-guard-career-minnesota-governor-race Politically motivated attacks on his service and how he retired feel pretty hollow to me. From everything those who served closely with him have said he weighed the decision heavily. If he retired in May then paperwork would have had to be filed 5-6 mos prior by all accounts, and I have to question this Doug Julin's accounting of the situation when it's at odds with official paperwork and timelines. I don't know much about military procedures, but it seems to me he likely put his paperwork in to retire following the 2004 general election (which is what has been stated or speculated, I'm not certain) and that he considered withdrawing it when deployment looked possible, but ultimately decided not to. Julin claims that Walz's candidacy for the house was "rejected," yet Walz is on record with the media at the time saying potential deployment would not derail his campaign. And I'm not certain how a candidacy can be "rejected" 🤔 Regarding his rank, at date of his retirement he was apparently chief master sergeant or whatever (again not a military guy) and was reduced to master sergeant months later for benefits purposes. I don't know the technicalities, but I would think it's fair for him to say he "retired as" chief master sergeant in this scenario, but that's me looking at I with a civilian mindset not a military one. If I was promoted to CIO but any benefits were contingent on me serving as CIO for some period of time and completing some particular training, and I retired before then and thus only received retirement benefits of a senior VP, I'd still say I retired as a CIO 🤷♂️
August 10, 20241 yr 36 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said: I understand in the echo chamber that is the MSM and CVON to a great extent that you are not used to positions that disagree with whatever the Democratic party might be pushing - but that doesn't mean that we have to be disagreeable on a personal basis. Harris was clearly a DEI hire - and there are tampons in boys rooms in MN. Those things are reality - not necessarily RNC talking points. Harris being a "DEI" hire doesn't automatically render her unqualified, as is the implication. It's just a cheap way to attack her without having to come up with specifics about why. Regarding the tampon bill, the language in no way requires that tampons be made available in boys restrooms. The language was written to ensure availability of products to menstruating persons, and what people are attacking there is the gender neutral wording and extrapolating more out of it. It's up to individual schools to determine how they comply with the law, so districts that have no "menstruating persons" in boys rooms do not need to have products there. If they have gender neutral bathrooms designated for gender-confused youths then they would provide them there. It's yet another cheap reductionist tactic used as a political cudgel. The reality of the bill is lost in this: Tim Walz signed a bill that helped ensure that girls who needed access to tampons and whatnot were able to have that at public schools. The right just wants to focus on the wording that ensured nobody who might need these products was otherwise excluded, but made no requirement on boys rooms having them 🙄
August 10, 20241 yr This entire discussion is why the GOP is poised to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They do this every time and will never learn their lesson about self awareness. You absolutely will go down in flames if you think framing any of this as "stolen valor" will resonate with voters when your own candidate has: said he prefers soldiers who don't get captured called those who have fallen or been injured in war as "suckers and losers" dodged the draft himself by paying off a doctor to diagnose him with "bone spurs" claimed he knows more than the generals didn't want to be seen with amputee vets because it didn't look good on camera referred to traumatic brain injuries suffered by soldiers as "headaches" So go ahead and latch on to a "reverted rank" argument if you want, but realize that we're only having this discussion because this came up during an election cycle. An election with a binary choice, and when the guy you're branding as "lying about his rank" is running in opposition to the guy who did all the above, you're going to be left very disappointed about the outcome in November.
August 10, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Harris being a "DEI" hire doesn't automatically render her unqualified, as is the implication. It's just a cheap way to attack her without having to come up with specifics about why. No the fact that she is a moron makes her unqualified. I hate the fact that both parties have put us - again - in the position of choosing not just the lesser of two evils - but choosing between really evil and really evil.
August 10, 20241 yr 52 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said: Harris was clearly a DEI hire - and there are tampons in boys rooms in MN. Those things are reality - not necessarily RNC talking points. Noooo, that's an opinion and a rather stupid one. No one can succeed in life just because they're black or a woman. Getting a JD isn't easy. They don't just hand them out. She won elections as DA and Senator in the most populous state in the country. Do you think other democratic women of color wanted those gigs? She's currently winning the race for president. All of those things aren't just a gigantic accident because she's a minority woman. You sound like a total nimrod trying to make that argument. It also rings hollow because you all said the same thing about Obama. It makes your side look weak, and small.
August 10, 20241 yr 21 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Al Bonnifield served under Walz, as did his younger brother. Bonnifield vividly recalls the first time he saw his new sergeant upon returning from annual training. "He was down at the motorpool barking orders at everyone," Bonnifield said. Bonnifield said he and his squad mates weren't sure what to make of him. "We all kind of looked at him kind of funny like, 'Who is this guy?'" Bonnifield said. "But after a while we all got to know him and respect him very much." They worked together in the armory base supply shop. He knew Walz as a guy who would play practical jokes on fellow soldiers and who would chat up anyone, regardless of differences in rank. Bonnifield said they also bonded during a deployment to Italy connected to post-Sept. 11 Operation Enduring Freedom. After seven months abroad, the unit returned to Minnesota. But Walz had already begun thinking about an exit and bounced it off others, including Bonnifield. "Would the soldier look down on him because he didn't go with us? Would the common soldier say, 'Hey, he didn't go with us, he's trying to skip out on a deployment?' And he wasn't," Bonnifield said. "He talked with us for quite a while on that subject. He weighed that decision to run for Congress very heavy. He loved the military, he loved the guard, he loved the soldiers he worked with." Walz said it was merely time to leave and he saw a chance to make a difference in the public policy arena. "Once you're in, it's hard to retire. Of my 40 years or 41 years, I had been in the military 24 of them. It was just what you did," he said. "So that transition period was just a challenge." Bonnifield and his brother did deploy to Iraq, in different units. And they both dealt with severe mental health issues upon their return. Bonnifield said Walz the congressman worked to connect struggling Guard members with help and sought to cut red tape. "If you listen to him, he's got a very loud, strong voice," Bonnifield said. "But there's a very caring person inside. And one very good leader, too." https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/10/03/tim-walz-national-guard-career-minnesota-governor-race Politically motivated attacks on his service and how he retired feel pretty hollow to me. From everything those who served closely with him have said he weighed the decision heavily. If he retired in May then paperwork would have had to be filed 5-6 mos prior by all accounts, and I have to question this Doug Julin's accounting of the situation when it's at odds with official paperwork and timelines. I don't know much about military procedures, but it seems to me he likely put his paperwork in to retire following the 2004 general election (which is what has been stated or speculated, I'm not certain) and that I considered withdrawing it when deployment looked possible, but ultimately decided not to. Julin claims that Walz's candidacy for the house was "rejected," yet Walz is on record with the media at the time saying potential deployment would not derail his campaign. And I'm not certain how a candidacy can be "rejected" 🤔 Regarding his rank, at date of his retirement he was apparently chief master sergeant or whatever (again not a military guy) and was reduced to master sergeant months later for benefits purposes. I don't know the technicalities, but I would think it's fair for him to say he "retired as" chief master sergeant in this scenario, but that's me looking at I with a civilian mindset not a military one. If I was promoted to CIO but any benefits were contingent on me serving as CIO for some period of time and completing some particular training, and I retired before then and thus only received retirement benefits of a senior VP, I'd still say I retired as a CIO 🤷♂️ The irony of it all is that you'll probably never find a candidate on a presidential ticket that will fight harder for vets benefits than Walz will. And on the other side you've got a lying sack of sheet who wouldn't piss on a vet if they were on fire, and then there's JD Vance who wrote the forward for a Heritage Foundation book. Like literally the organization responsible for project 2025 that has flat out stated cutting vets benefits is one of their goals.
August 10, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, sameaglesfan said: No the fact that she is a moron makes her unqualified. I hate the fact that both parties have put us - again - in the position of choosing not just the lesser of two evils - but choosing between really evil and really evil. You seem like an alright guy, but you come off as a caricature when you say stuff like this, fyi. I don't agree with a lot of her policies, nor was she my preferred candidate (I'd vote for Romney, Amash, Cheney, Paul Ryan, and a number of other Republicans over her) but she's not "really evil" dude, nor is she a moron. I'm not exactly super excited about the options we're left with, but I can weigh the consequences of what my inaction can have and make a responsible decision to vote for her because painting the two choices as anywhere near the same level of danger reeks of false equivalence.
August 10, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, sameaglesfan said: I understand in the echo chamber that is the MSM and CVON to a great extent that you are not used to positions that disagree with whatever the Democratic party might be pushing - but that doesn't mean that we have to be disagreeable on a personal basis. Harris was clearly a DEI hire - and there are tampons in boys rooms in MN. Those things are reality - not necessarily RNC talking points. Complaining about an main stream media echo chamber while parroting Fox News echo chamber (newsflash, they are main stream media too). 12 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said: No the fact that she is a moron makes her unqualified. I hate the fact that both parties have put us - again - in the position of choosing not just the lesser of two evils - but choosing between really evil and really evil. Don't give me this both sides bullcrap. Only one side a calling someone a DEI hire, which is racism and misogyny with an extra step.
August 10, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: You seem like an alright guy, but you come off a caricature when you say stuff like this, fyi. I don't agree with a lot of her policies, nor was she my preferred candidate (I'd vote for Romney, Amash, Cheney, Paul Ryan, and a number of other Republicans over her) but she's not "really evil" dude, nor is she a moron. I'm not exactly super excited about the options we're left with, but I can weigh the consequences of what my inaction can have and make a responsible decision to vote for her because painting the two choices as anywhere near the same level of danger reeks of false equivalence. Yeah the whole "She's a woman and therefor stupid" is why they lose.
August 10, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: You seem like an alright guy, but you come off a caricature when you say stuff like this, fyi. I don't agree with a lot of her policies, nor was she my preferred candidate (I'd vote for Romney, Amash, Cheney, Paul Ryan, and a number of other Republicans over her) but she's not "really evil" dude, nor is she a moron. I'm not exactly super excited about the options we're left with, but I can weigh the consequences of what my inaction can have and make a responsible decision to vote for her because painting the two choices as anywhere near the same level of danger reeks of false equivalence. I thank you for your thoughtful reply. My issue is that there is clearly someone pulling the strings on the top of the Dem ticket - and have been for goodness knows how long. There is real dishonesty there and a cover up as to how bad Grampy Joe was and who knew about it. I maintain that both parties are at fault here. I have nothing to say to support Trump nor will I ever.
August 10, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Gannan said: Yeah the whole "She's a woman and therefor stupid" is why they lose. No she's a dim bulb It has nothing to do with her gender
August 10, 20241 yr 21 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said: No she's a dim bulb It has nothing to do with her gender Funny that every woman the democrats run is somehow a "dim bulb".
August 10, 20241 yr I seem to recall the argument about Obama being stupid too even though he was a constitutional law professor. I also seem to recall some here saying he was only president of the Harvard law review because it was a "diversity thing".
August 10, 20241 yr 52 minutes ago, Gannan said: Funny that every woman the democrats run is somehow a "dim bulb". Did I say that? Have you ever heard her speak?
August 10, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, sameaglesfan said: Did I say that? Have you ever heard her speak? Yes. I listened to her speech in Arizona last night. She's good. You're going to lose.
August 10, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Gannan said: Yes. I listened to her speech in Arizona last night. She's good. You're going to lose. I thought she was a horrible speaker in 2019, but she has obviously improved. How TF is speaking ability even an argument from MAGA?
August 10, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, sameaglesfan said: I understand in the echo chamber that is the MSM and CVON to a great extent that you are not used to positions that disagree with whatever the Democratic party might be pushing - but that doesn't mean that we have to be disagreeable on a personal basis. Harris was clearly a DEI hire - and there are tampons in boys rooms in MN. Those things are reality - not necessarily RNC talking points. And this is why I made fun of you. You're accusing me and others of being in a liberal echo chamber when you see the real truth, then regurgitate the absolute dumbest spoon fed conservative talking points. John snow already pointed out why the tampon thing is idiotic. And otherwise you just keep insisting she's dumb with your evidence being "have you heard her speak?". Yes I have. She's not dumb. Frankly no one who can pass the bar is California is "dumb" given it's probably the hardest bar in the US. Then since then she's been a highly productive prosecutor, the DA of SF, then California, then a senator (beating out a Latino woman) then VP (beating out several other minority women). I'm sorry but she didn't just bang and black her way to those positions. It's simply an idiotic take. So if you want reasonable and insightful responses and discourse, then post reasonable and insightful criticisms. I disagree pretty strongly with posters like Diehardfan and Bill on a bunch of issues but have zero problem engaging with them because they tend to have genuine criticisms.Talk actual policy. Talk about her prosecutorial record. Otherwise...balls deep. 👌
August 10, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, sameaglesfan said: Harris was clearly a DEI hire - and there are tampons in boys rooms in MN. Those things are reality - not necessarily RNC talking points. What exactly do you do you call it then when Walz gets hired over other equally qualified candidates because he is a christian white man?
August 10, 20241 yr Here's what I have seen this election cycle, and I've been very honest about it. On debate night my wife and I thought Biden looked like he had parkison's or something. Something was seriously wrong with him. I said so in CVON that ngiht. Not only did I not think he should not have been a candidate, I didn't think he should be president. The "we beat medicare" moment was one of the most cringe moments in modern American politics (if we take all of Trump's nonsense out of it). The entire dmeocratic party was in a panic. There was no way to to spin what we saw. Harris went on CNN unscripted, defended her boss the best she could, and was clam, cool collected, and in command of the issues. I've often talked about the exact moment when I stopped giving Trump any benefit of the doubt and wrote him off as a dangerous buffoon... The moment of the debate night, when things were in full on melt down mode. It was an almost impossible task to go out there on live TV and defend that performance, and she rose to the occasion. Told me all I needed to know about her. I was all in from this point on. She's not a "dim bulb", she's extremely intelligent, quick on her feet, and will make a great president.
August 10, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, Gannan said: Here's what I have seen this election cycle, and I've been very honest about it. On debate night my wife and I thought Biden looked like he had parkison's or something. Something was seriously wrong with him. I said so in CVON that ngiht. Not only did I not think he should have been a candidate, I didn't hink he should be president. The "we beat medicare" moment was one of the most cringe moments in modern American politics (if we take all of Trump's nonsense out of it). The entire dmeocratic party was in a panic. There was no way to to spin what we saw. Harris went on CNN unscripted, defended her boss the best she could, and was clam, cool collected, and in command of the issues. I've often talked about the exact moment when I stopped giving Trump any benefit of the doubt and wrote him off as a dangerous buffoon... The moment of the debate night, when things were in full on melt down mode. It was an almost impossible task to go out there on live TV and defend that performance, and she rose to the occasion. Told me all I needed to know about her. I was all in from this point on. She's not a "dim bulb", she's extremely intelligent, quick on her feet, and will make a great president. Wow, I hadn't seen that. Great interview by Harris. This is the girl I thought I was backing back in '20 primaries. She is extremely bright and talented and in peak form with way, way better handlers than she had back then (I think her sister was running that campaign).
August 10, 20241 yr I read another article and I see that his conditional promotion was effective April 1st, 2005. He retired May 16th, 2005. So 46 calendar days or as a National Guardsman, 1 or maybe 2 drills (2 or maybe 4 duty days). The conditions for promotion weren't fulfilled, of course, so the promotion was cancelled and he reverted back to his correct rank of Master Sergeant. I had thought that I'd read that he'd actually performed the job of CSM for a more considerable period of time, but maybe I didn't, I didn't realize that it was basically just a few days.
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