Just now, Dave Moss said:

Do you think NRA members really want to pay for La Pierre’s family to vacation in the Bahamas on his yacht or fund his safaris in Africa?  It should be interesting.

Zuker doesn't read a 22 page article he shares.

Do you think he's unique? 

A lot of people will look at this very superficially, and just see a liberal AG attacking gun rights. Now most of these are reliable Republican votes so it may not matter, but if 1 in 50 gun rights guys who maybe is ambivalent about Trump decides liberals have fine too far? 

It doesn't take much sometimes. See 2016.

3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Do you think NRA members really want to pay for La Pierre’s family to vacation in the Bahamas on his yacht or fund his safaris in Africa?  It should be interesting.

I am no expert on the laws around charities, but why not charge La Pierre and the others involved with crimes as opposed to trying to dissolve the whole organization? I don't think even NRA members could get that worked up about getting rid of people stealing money. By attacking the whole group, you hand the GOP a massive gift to energize the voters. 

10 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

But politically this gives the right the ability to dust off that gun rights wedge and make an issue of something other than COVID-19 and the economy.

Still trying to figure out what branch of the government the NRA is ??

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I am no expert on the laws around charities, but why not charge La Pierre and the others involved with crimes as opposed to trying to dissolve the whole organization? I don't think even NRA members could get that worked up about getting rid of people stealing money. By attacking the whole group, you hand the GOP a massive gift to energize the voters. 

Because he’s not the only one.  It was widespread.

26 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

You guys realize they've been investigating for 18 months, right?  They already have a mountain of evidence.  In other words, this isn't a witch hunt.

It doesn't matter, bud.  

It's already being reported that she seeks to "Dissolve the NRA and that she's a democrat who already went after Trump last year".

James, a Democrat, argued that the organization’s prominence and cozy political relationships had lulled it into a sense of invincibility and enabled a culture where non-profit rules were routinely flouted and state and federal laws were violated. Even the NRA’s own bylaws and employee handbook were ignored, she said.

NRA President Carolyn Meadows said the group was counter-suing the New York attorney general’s office, setting the stage for a drawn-out legal battle that could last for years. "It’s a transparent attempt to score political points and attack the leading voice in opposition to the leftist agenda,’ Meadows said in a statement.

James is taking aim at the NRA after her office last year dismantled President Donald Trump’s charitable foundation and fined him $2 million to settle allegations he used donations meant for worthy causes to further his own business and political interests. Though it is headquarters in Virginia, the NRA was chartered as a non-profit in New York in 1871 and continues to be incorporated in the state.

https://time.com/5876951/new-york-nra-lawsuit-finances/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_term=u.s._guns&linkId=96305790

 

I have no idea how anyone on the right will not view this as a political ploy to "take their guns away".  The NRA will likely do everything they can to make people think that's exactly what it is.  

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Still trying to figure out what branch of the government the NRA is ??

You're trying to be logical about an issue most people are very emotional about. 

So a "non-profit” organization is investigated and may face a trial to be disbanded for illegal activity and corruption.

America: OMG! The timing could alter the election in 3 months!!!

We’re failing as a country...

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

I have no idea how anyone on the right will not view this as a political ploy to "take their guns away".  The NRA will likely do everything they can to make people think that's exactly what it is.  

Haven't been on FB yet since this broke but I have little doubt all my gun rights red state cousins and uncles are already gobbling up and writing this as the narrative.

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

See...this is the overstepping BS liberals love to do. They are a private entity. If she wants to prosecute them she is able to. An AG can't demand that a private enterprise be disbanded.

I'm pretty sure a superior court could disband a nonprofit no?

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I'm pretty sure a superior court could disband a nonprofit no?

I don't know. That seems reaching as F and I couldn't care less about them. So if a southern AG wanted to sue to have PP dissolved for similar corruption...like we possibly saw in the PV videos or something else...people would be like yeah that's cool? 

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

I'm pretty sure a superior court could disband a nonprofit no?

They forced the Trump Org to close because they were a scam, didn’t they?

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

They forced the Trump Org to close because they were a scam, didn’t they?

The Trump Foundation agreed to dissolve voluntarily as part of its settlement. Wasn't order by a court.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/nyregion/ny-ag-underwood-trump-foundation.html

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The Donald J. Trump Foundation, once billed as the charitable arm of the president’s financial empire, agreed to dissolve on Tuesday and give away all its remaining assets under court supervision as part of an ongoing investigation and lawsuit by the New York attorney general.

 

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

I don't know. That seems reaching as F and I couldn't care less about them. So if a southern AG wanted to sue to have PP dissolved for similar corruption...like we possibly saw in the PV videos or something else...people would be like yeah that's cool? 

Depends on the degree of corruption I suppose.  It's certainly a big step so it would be an overreach if they didn't have the data to support a decision like that.  But if it's deemed that they were completely rotten (I think) it's within a sufficiently high courts ability to disband a nonprofit.  We'll see.

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

Depends on the degree of corruption I suppose.  It's certainly a big step so it would be an overreach if they didn't have the data to support a decision like that.  But if it's deemed that they were completely rotten (I think) it's within a sufficiently high courts ability to disband a nonprofit.  We'll see.

Slippery slope 

23 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Haven't been on FB yet since this broke but I have little doubt all my gun rights red state cousins and uncles are already gobbling up and writing this as the narrative.

The NRA (or far right leaders) are likely laughing their tails off, atm.  This could become as bad for the left as "The detestibles" comment of 2016. 

If I were moderate left strategists, I would try to find a way to separate this from Biden's campaign/platform.  Find a away to "nip it in the bud".  Although that's easier said than done....

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

The NRA (or far right leaders) are likely laughing their tails off, atm.  This could become as bad for the left as "The detestibles" comment of 2016. 

If I were moderate left strategists, I would try to find a way to separate this from Biden's campaign/platform.  Find a away to "nip it in the bud".  Although that's easier said than done....

If it picks up steam, Biden should come out and say that the people at the NRA that misappropriated funds should be investigated and charged, but that the NRA itself has been around for almost 150 years and has many fine members. Push the focus to corrupt leadership.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

If it picks up steam, Biden should come out and say that the people at the NRA that misappropriated funds should be investigated and charged, but that the NRA itself has been around for almost 150 years and has many fine members. Push the focus to corrupt leadership.

Taking one out of the Trump playbook.

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The NRA (or far right leaders) are likely laughing their tails off, atm.  This could become as bad for the left as "The detestibles" comment of 2016. 

If I were moderate left strategists, I would try to find a way to separate this from Biden's campaign/platform.  Find a away to "nip it in the bud".  Although that's easier said than done....

As much as we make fun of Biden, his campaign has done a fairly decent job of not getting him too strongly associated with far left movements thus far.

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

As much as we make fun of Biden, his campaign has done a fairly decent job of not getting him too strongly associated with far left movements thus far.

It is not that hard.  Trump wants to point anyone who does not support him as a radical, which is not even remotely in the ball park of true.

11 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

If it picks up steam, Biden should come out and say that the people at the NRA that misappropriated funds should be investigated and charged, but that the NRA itself has been around for almost 150 years and has many fine members. Push the focus to corrupt leadership.

Biden's campaign should hire you on the spot.  

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

It is not that hard.  Trump wants to point anyone who does not support him as a radical, which is not even remotely in the ball park of true.

I mean I'd say handling the George Floyd thing was at least somewhat tricky.  Politically you couldn't have Joe talk against it or ignore it, yet it would have been really easy to jump on the "defund/abolish the police" train or one of the other far lefty movements/actions.  Just purely from a political POV I think they walked that tightrope that moderately well.

When the Dems do dumb ish like this right before the election, I can’t help but laugh like Tom Hanks when the tub goes through the floor in Money Pit. 

2 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

 

 

cool.  now do the same for politicians!

NRA members don't even like Wayne.

The current president said he wanted to take guns first, and worry about due process second, and he still got elected. This won’t hurt biden - all he really has to do at this point is remind people of what trump said, then what trump actually did (or didn’t do, in most cases).