15 minutes ago, hey suess said:

The current president said he wanted to take guns first, and worry about due process second, and he still got elected. This won’t hurt biden - all he really has to do at this point is remind people of what trump said, then what trump actually did (or didn’t do, in most cases).

Slippery slope.  Most on the far right (likely) wouldn't pay much attention to what Trump said "in a moment"....but they will (probably) pay attention to social media and the frenzy that could follow. 

 

Anyone can say "they're coming for guns". Getting them will be a very entertaining period in American history.
 

On 8/6/2020 at 3:12 PM, Dave Moss said:

Do you think NRA members really want to pay for La Pierre’s family to vacation in the Bahamas on his yacht or fund his safaris in Africa?  It should be interesting.

I’m a NRA member. WLP is the best thing to happen to gun rights since the founders penned the second amendment. I wouldn’t mind at all if part of my money was paying for lavish vacations as long as he remains effective at protecting the 2A. Just do it transparently.

What is more concerning to me are some apparent recent softening of their positions.

On 8/6/2020 at 5:27 PM, Diehardfan said:

NRA members don't even like Wayne.

100% disagree, and I’m a NRA member with multiple friends and family members who are also NRA members. WLP is literally the most effective civil rights leader in America.

25 minutes ago, TEW said:

I’m a NRA member. WLP is the best thing to happen to gun rights since the founders penned the second amendment. I wouldn’t mind at all if part of my money was paying for lavish vacations as long as he remains effective at protecting the 2A. Just do it transparently.

What is more concerning to me are some apparent recent softening of their positions.

Non-profit organizations have rules they have to follow.   The NRA didn’t follow them.  So now your dues are going to legal fees.

8 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Non-profit organizations have rules they have to follow.   The NRA didn’t follow them.  So now your dues are going to legal fees.

Sure. Like I said, do it transparently within the confines of the law.

On 8/6/2020 at 2:24 PM, Bill said:

Agreed. It’s a big Wayne LaPierre fund. 
 

Lots of better organizations to give money to.

Yea, I've been a gun owner and hunter my whole life, but have never been a member.  They go a little too far for me and block some common sense reforms that would probably make this world safer.  

That being said, if it wasn't for the NRA we probably wouldn't have the ability to own and carry firearms today.  Don't want to see them totally disbanded, but serious reforms are surely in order.  

This move by the DA is about the election anyway.  They want the NRA to divert funds to the lawsuit that would otherwise have been going to the Trump campaign.  It likely won't go anywhere legally, but a smart strategy from the left. 

10 hours ago, lynched1 said:

Anyone can say "they're coming for guns". Getting them will be a very entertaining period in American history.
 

Wouldn’t it be? Just a couple seconds of reasonable thought leads me to believe it just couldn’t happen. How many insane stand-offs would it take? Who in the world would take the job of knocking on doors to pic up guns? 😂

NOT HAPPENING.

38 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Yea, I've been a gun owner and hunter my whole life, but have never been a member.  They go a little too far for me and block some common sense reforms that would probably make this world safer.  

That being said, if it wasn't for the NRA we probably wouldn't have the ability to own and carry firearms today.  Don't want to see them totally disbanded, but serious reforms are surely in order.  

This move by the DA is about the election anyway.  They want the NRA to divert funds to the lawsuit that would otherwise have been going to the Trump campaign.  It likely won't go anywhere legally, but a smart strategy from the left. 

The former is why you have the latter. Their zero compromise policy is exactly why the 2A is actually heading in the right direction as opposed to every other thing in this country.

Yes, in a perfect world we could compromise. But we don’t live in one, and when you give the left an inch they will take a light year.

6 minutes ago, TEW said:

The former is why you have the latter. Their zero compromise policy is exactly why the 2A is actually heading in the right direction as opposed to every other thing in this country.

Yes, in a perfect world we could compromise. But we don’t live in one, and when you give the left an inch they will take a light year.

😂 The WLP fear tactics are obviously effective.

1 hour ago, MidMoFo said:

😂 The WLP fear tactics are obviously effective.

Trying to dismiss 2A supporters concerns as buying into fear tactics isn’t just stupid, it’s wrong. 

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

Trying to dismiss 2A supporters buying into fear tactics so they continue to vote republican isn’t just stupid, it’s wrong. 

FYP

18 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

FYP

Again, stupid. If someone is concerned about gun rights then quite obviously they will vote GOP because the Democratic Party is so hostile to gun rights.

24 minutes ago, TEW said:

Again, stupid. If someone is concerned about gun rights then quite obviously they will vote GOP because the Democratic Party is so hostile to gun rights.

Well I’m hearing there’s a more immediate threat everyone should focus on... demon semen. Don’t go to sleep TEW, but sects will smash you in your sleep!!!

 

2 hours ago, The Norseman said:

Yea, I've been a gun owner and hunter my whole life, but have never been a member.  They go a little too far for me and block some common sense reforms that would probably make this world safer.  

That being said, if it wasn't for the NRA we probably wouldn't have the ability to own and carry firearms today.  Don't want to see them totally disbanded, but serious reforms are surely in order.  

This move by the DA is about the election anyway.  They want the NRA to divert funds to the lawsuit that would otherwise have been going to the Trump campaign.  It likely won't go anywhere legally, but a smart strategy from the left. 

You and your Fudd views are exactly why the NRA sucks. 

4 hours ago, TEW said:

100% disagree, and I’m a NRA member with multiple friends and family members who are also NRA members. WLP is literally the most effective civil rights leader in America.

Well, you must have missed all the stories of the BS he has been pulling snd the outrage from members. I'm very 2A.

46 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Well, you must have missed all the stories of the BS he has been pulling snd the outrage from members. I'm very 2A.

Believe me when I say I am aware of stuff that the general public is not. For instance, there were kickback schemes in direct mail work they did back in the 90's. Basically the person sourcing the contractor would agree to inflated prices charged to the NRA in exchange for a percentage of the excess profit going back to a certain individual (not WLP) under the table. You couldn't get a contract with the NRA without agreeing to these kinds of bribes at the time. My father, who had been solicited with this type of bribe, actually reported it to Jeff Cooper, who in turn got the guy fired. Everyone knew it was the tip of the iceberg. But unless someone is willing to speak up there isn't much that can be done, and getting into a bunch of legal battles over speculation just isn't worth it.

At the end of the day, WLP has done more for the 2A than any American since the founding fathers of the country and the NRA is the only effective bulwark against the left's anti-constitutional agenda. I'd gladly let him make a fortune running the NRA. He's worth every penny IMO. But, it should all be done above board.

On 8/6/2020 at 3:18 PM, vikas83 said:

I am no expert on the laws around charities, but why not charge La Pierre and the others involved with crimes as opposed to trying to dissolve the whole organization? I don't think even NRA members could get that worked up about getting rid of people stealing money. By attacking the whole group, you hand the GOP a massive gift to energize the voters. 

The answer to this is simple:  charging individuals for crimes they committed is not the goal. Justice and lawfulness is not the goal. 

The goal is to destroy an incredibly effective opposition political institution that stands in their way. The infrastructure, organizational ability, etc is the target, not criminals.

41 minutes ago, TEW said:

Believe me when I say I am aware of stuff that the general public is not. For instance, there were kickback schemes in direct mail work they did back in the 90's. Basically the person sourcing the contractor would agree to inflated prices charged to the NRA in exchange for a percentage of the excess profit going back to a certain individual (not WLP) under the table. You couldn't get a contract with the NRA without agreeing to these kinds of bribes at the time. My father, who had been solicited with this type of bribe, actually reported it to Jeff Cooper, who in turn got the guy fired. Everyone knew it was the tip of the iceberg. But unless someone is willing to speak up there isn't much that can be done, and getting into a bunch of legal battles over speculation just isn't worth it.

At the end of the day, WLP has done more for the 2A than any American since the founding fathers of the country and the NRA is the only effective bulwark against the left's anti-constitutional agenda. I'd gladly let him make a fortune running the NRA. He's worth every penny IMO. But, it should all be done above board.

Honestly I have no love for the NRA. Where were they for bumpstocks and Red Flag laws?

There are other better organizations to give to. 

2 hours ago, Bill said:

Honestly I have no love for the NRA. Where were they for bumpstocks and Red Flag laws?

There are other better organizations to give to. 

There really aren't.

The gains made for gun rights over the last 30 years have been incredible and are a direct result of the NRA's operations.  It is, by far, the single most effective organization for gun rights.  Are they perfect? No.  But they're damned good at what they do.

2 hours ago, TEW said:

There really aren't.

The gains made for gun rights over the last 30 years have been incredible and are a direct result of the NRA's operations.  It is, by far, the single most effective organization for gun rights.  Are they perfect? No.  But they're damned good at what they do.

The SAF has been better in the past few years and done more than the NRA has  

The only worthwhile part of the NRA is the ILA, which might as well be separate. No NRA funds go to the ILA. The ILA gets all their funds from separate donations. 
 

GOA and FPC are the way to go now. 
 

2 hours ago, Bill said:

The SAF has been better in the past few years and done more than the NRA has  

The only worthwhile part of the NRA is the ILA, which might as well be separate. No NRA funds go to the ILA. The ILA gets all their funds from separate donations. 
 

GOA and FPC are the way to go now. 
 

The ILA is awesome, but it’s only one part of the machine, and the sum of the parts is greater than any individual part. That’s the point. It’s not enough to just have a lobbying arm. You need a political machine that does everything from lobbying and legislative action to voter outreach and organization to something as simple as education to introduce new people to gun ownership.

The NRA does all of these things very well. Rebuilding this infrastructure would take decades, and in the meantime gun rights would get destroyed and probably never come back. In short, you are really really underestimating how difficult it is to build an organization with their level of influence.

7 hours ago, Bill said:

Honestly I have no love for the NRA. Where were they for bumpstocks and Red Flag laws?

There are other better organizations to give to. 

Red flag laws are highly flawed and ripe exploitation

the NRA is worse than public unions.