Warren has the versatility that can really take this offense farther. We were really beginning to find something good as we played BVS at FB. BVS is a good blocker and that was cool, but imagine Warren there and the things we could do, moving him all around. With Ben, he'd only get the ball on a gimmick play at most and when he came in it was pretty much a guaranteed run play. But Warren can add all kinds of wrinkles and provide a top notch receiver on pass plays. It would be a perfect situation with Goedert still here and provide his future replacement. 

On 1/18/2025 at 1:11 AM, brkmsn said:

Warren has the versatility that can really take this offense farther. We were really beginning to find something good as we played BVS at FB. BVS is a good blocker and that was cool, but imagine Warren there and the things we could do, moving him all around. With Ben, he'd only get the ball on a gimmick play at most and when he came in it was pretty much a guaranteed run play. But Warren can add all kinds of wrinkles and provide a top notch receiver on pass plays. It would be a perfect situation with Goedert still here and provide his future replacement. 

Definitely would add a lot to the offense problem is we would probably have to trade up 10-15 slots in round 1 of the draft to get him.. I think unless he gets injured in the pre draft process we don’t stand a chance.

1 hour ago, Cheesteakitis said:

Definitely would add a lot to the offense problem is we would probably have to trade up 10-15 slots in round 1 of the draft to get him.. I think unless he gets injured in the pre draft process we don’t stand a chance.

It's a bit early to really gauge where he will end up being taken. Preliminary draft rankings tend to have him in the 30-40 range. I get the feeling watching him that he isn't going to wow people with his combine or pro day times and currently, he isn't even the top TE in the draft. Not every team will have a use for a FB or H-Back or wildcat QB. So at the NFL level, if they project him to be limited athletically, he will slide regardless of his college production. 

Again, we'll have to see how the pre-draft process goes. Maybe like many PSU athletes, he puts up eye-popping numbers at the combine. But right now, he seems to be a late 1st to early/mid 2nd round prospect. So unless something drastic changes things, he could reasonably be there when we pick and maybe even if we trade down into the early 2nd round. 

At this point I have no idea what Howie's draft board is looking like. But I do believe Warren's versatility can blossom on this offense.

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

It's a bit early to really gauge where he will end up being taken. Preliminary draft rankings tend to have him in the 30-40 range. I get the feeling watching him that he isn't going to wow people with his combine or pro day times and currently, he isn't even the top TE in the draft. Not every team will have a use for a FB or H-Back or wildcat QB. So at the NFL level, if they project him to be limited athletically, he will slide regardless of his college production. 

Again, we'll have to see how the pre-draft process goes. Maybe like many PSU athletes, he puts up eye-popping numbers at the combine. But right now, he seems to be a late 1st to early/mid 2nd round prospect. So unless something drastic changes things, he could reasonably be there when we pick and maybe even if we trade down into the early 2nd round. 

At this point I have no idea what Howie's draft board is looking like. But I do believe Warren's versatility can blossom on this offense.

I guess it’s possible but I’ve seen a lot of places and mocks have him top 15 in the mold of Bowers last year that’s where I’m valuing him as of now 

2024 stats: 104 catches (6th overall), recv yards 1233 (6th overall) and 3rd for TE, Recv TDs 8 (3rd for TE), plus 218 yards and 4 TDs rushing. Oh, and 1 TD pass.

Sounds like he has a pretty high floor for a TE. Yeah, but can he outrun Kyle Pitts?

P.S. he's an above average blocker.

I would love to have him as our eventual replacement for Goedert. 

On 1/19/2025 at 10:07 AM, Cheesteakitis said:

I guess it’s possible but I’ve seen a lot of places and mocks have him top 15 in the mold of Bowers last year that’s where I’m valuing him as of now 

DJ's 1st mock is out: https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2025-nfl-mock-draft-1-0

He has him going #7 and Loveland going #22. 

Also, Zierlein has almost identical grades on both prospects. Kiper has Warren at #13 on his board and Loveland #15. I still  think the combine / pro day results are going to be key to determining the order of these two prospects. Then it will come down to which teams are willing to use a 1st on a TE. 

On 1/25/2025 at 10:25 AM, brkmsn said:

Also, Zierlein has almost identical grades on both prospects. Kiper has Warren at #13 on his board and Loveland #15. I still  think the combine / pro day results are going to be key to determining the order of these two prospects. Then it will come down to which teams are willing to use a 1st on a TE. 

Warren is going to be the first guy taken. He’s every bit the receiver but like 20 pounds bigger, a much better blocker, and much more dynamic with the ball in his hands.

10 hours ago, TEW said:

Warren is going to be the first guy taken. He’s every bit the receiver but like 20 pounds bigger, a much better blocker, and much more dynamic with the ball in his hands.

Most likely and pretty much all the mocks are projecting him inside the top 15. I still think combine / pro day results can affect the final outcome. I also believe TE is a position that isn't always a 1st round priority for most teams unless they are in pure BPA mode. So how many teams are in position to use a first (especially a higher pick) for a TE? I think in the last 25 years there's been just over 1 TE drafted in the 1st round on average and only 5 have been inside the top 10 (Pitts #4, V. Davis and K. Winslow II #6, Hockenson #8, and Ebron #10). 

When comparing Warren and Loveland, IMO Warren is the better all-around TE and player, but some teams may care more about the receiver aspect of a TE picked this high and Loveland may be ahead of Warren in that single aspect. 

As of right now, I expect Warren to go between 8 and 14 and Loveland between 18 and 25.

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Most likely and pretty much all the mocks are projecting him inside the top 15. I still think combine / pro day results can affect the final outcome. I also believe TE is a position that isn't always a 1st round priority for most teams unless they are in pure BPA mode. So how many teams are in position to use a first (especially a higher pick) for a TE? I think in the last 25 years there's been just over 1 TE drafted in the 1st round on average and only 5 have been inside the top 10 (Pitts #4, V. Davis and K. Winslow II #6, Hockenson #8, and Ebron #10). 

When comparing Warren and Loveland, IMO Warren is the better all-around TE and player, but some teams may care more about the receiver aspect of a TE picked this high and Loveland may be ahead of Warren in that single aspect. 

As of right now, I expect Warren to go between 8 and 14 and Loveland between 18 and 25.

I have a feeling that with the success of the Lions and Eagles, teams are going to look more towards BPA and not worry so much about positional value.

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

I have a feeling that with the success of the Lions and Eagles, teams are going to look more towards BPA and not worry so much about positional value.

Personally, I think for that same reason, teams will be trying to bolster their lines. If you look at the best TEs we've had the last couple decades, people have been able to draft them after round 1 (Gronk 2, Ertz 2, Kelce 3, Andrews 3, J.Graham 3, Kittle 5, Gates undrafted). I will admit that Bowers' rookie season may sway GMs on the fence. 

As is usually the case, it's mainly a confluance of 32 teams' overall needs, indivdual priorities, position values and player evaluations that come into play.

Beyond the basics, there is also some intrigue involved in second-guessing the competition, thus the strategic jockeying for position in the early rounds.

Entering 2024, Warren was basically viewed as a day 3 selection. As the season progresssed, he steadilly climbed as a prospect, to the point many view him as a top 10 selection.

By mid-season I viewed him as a good pick even as early as round 2. That apparently is no longer realistic. I don't think he will last beyond the Broncos (#22). Indeed they might need to make a trade to draft him earlier.

Based upon all of the above, I don't think the Eagles will engage in a potential bidding-war. Perhaps a darkhorse will last until Pick #64. 

If he falls to 96 I don't mind 

7 hours ago, psychodog said:

If we get Myles Garrett somehow, I'd actually consider packaging our 1st this year and Goedert to trade up for Warren.  I watched every Penn State game this year and Warren is an unstoppable beast.  I would rarely say this about a prospect but Warren will most likely end up being an elite TE talent.  He's SO f'ing strong with YAC.  He's a man amongst boys and ALWAYS makes big plays.  We'd be set at TE for the next 4 years.

I have no idea how you expect to get Myles Garrett without using our 1st. I also don't think Goedert and the #32 is enough to move up inside the top 10.

I don't expect us to seriously contend for a Garrett trade, nor do I see us trading up in the 1st round this year. I think we're more likely to trade back, pick up a couple extra picks in 2026 and try to find value.

Unpin this and pin all of the defensive players R1.