Sirianni has mentioned a few times since the season started that he has handed full control of the offense over to Moore (but then contradicts himself at other times by stating either they are blending what worked with "his" offense with what Moore's scheme or that at times he will maybe make the call to throw on 3rd and short like the failed pass attempt to Barkley).  I have been saying for the past few weeks that this offense does not look much different than what we were trotting out in 2023 and that I believe Sirianni still in large part controls the overall game plan on that side of the ball.  Yesterday Seth Joyner made similar comments (see below).  What do you really believe??

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Joyner: Sirianni's hands all over what is supposed to be Moore's offense

Seth Joyner believes head coach Nick Sirianni has more of a role in the Philadelphia Eagles' offense than people believe.

 

 By Andrew Porter

 

Seth Joyner believes head coach Nick Sirianni has more of a role in the Philadelphia Eagles' offense than people believe.

"Less and less I'm beginning to listen to what Kellen Moore has to say because I realize his hands are being tied," Joyner told Joe DeCamara and Jon Ritchie on the 94WIP Morning Show. "When you look at this offense it's becoming more and more clear to me that this is not Kellen Moore's offense. Nick Sirianni has got more of his hands on this than anything. Look at the offense. You're gonna sit here and tell me that offense doesn't look like the last six or seven weeks of last season?"

Is Jalen Hurts the person to blame?

"No, no, no," Joyner said. "When you call offensive plays, they call it offensive coordinator for a reason...There's no creativity to what we do. The most productive formation for us yesterday was 12 formation with twin tight ends to one side and two wide receivers to the other. And if I can see that with my football eyes you're going to tell me that defensive coordinators—you're going to tell me they can't see it?"

The Eagles scored just two touchdowns in an ugly 20-16 win over the lowly Cleveland Browns on Sunday.

Under first-year offensive coordinator in Moore, Philadelphia is 10th in the NFL in yards per game (366.8), but just 18th in points per game (21.2).

To be fair, the Eagles have been without star wide receiver A.J. Brown for two games, wide receiver DeVonta Smith for one game, and All-Pro left tackle Lane Johnson for one game.

Sunday was Hurts' first game without a turnover this season, as he has seven through five games. Only Titans QB Will Levis has more giveaways than Hurts this season.

https://www.audacy.com/94wip/sports/eagles/seth-joyner-nick-sirianni-philadelphia-eagles-offense-stats

 

Good. Then he's not just a cheerleader or CEO.

 

It's funny ... first people complained, "What's he even here for?" Now it's, "He's still too involved in the offense." lol

Not a hard concept to grasp - if Siri's hands are all over the offense and it looks the same as last year, that's not a positive.  Sticking to a position for the sake of doing so just doesn't make sense.

This team is going to have to blow a few opponents out to change my mind.

22 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Good. Then he's not just a cheerleader or CEO.

 

It's funny ... first people complained, "What's he even here for?" Now it's, "He's still too involved in the offense." lol

I was fine with him kinda looking over the whole operation and maybe focusing 100% on game management, especially after watching the offense completely underwhelm last year despite having so much potential / star power.  You always tend to lump everyone into one boat.  

21 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Good. Then he's not just a cheerleader or CEO.

 

It's funny ... first people complained, "What's he even here for?" Now it's, "He's still too involved in the offense." lol

It's not good though is it, the guy was given a chance to save his job by stepping back and leaving the play calling to someone else, but he can't stop meddling and the offense is the same as last year (a stuttering mess)

It's not even as if head coaches who don't call plays on either side of the ball are that rare, Dan Campbell, John Harbaugh and Tomlin off the top of my head don't call plays any more, all Sirianni has to do is take big situational decisions and oversee the management of the players but he can't leave the micromanagement alone.

The offense iswhat it is because of either sirianni is running it or because hurts was unable to grasp what Moore was try to do so he felt staying with what was familar was the best way to go 

I know it would have been controversial considering his overall record, but this is why we probably should have just moved on from Siri this offseason. He's kind of in a no-win situation. New coordinators come in and excel? Great, they get the credit. They come in and continue to suck, Siri's a bad leader, or worse, he's meddling in the offense and influencing the new guy. 

17 minutes ago, Kz! said:

I know it would have been controversial considering his overall record, but this is why we probably should have just moved on from Siri this offseason. He's kind of in a no-win situation. New coordinators come in and excel? Great, they get the credit. They come in and continue to suck, Siri's a bad leader, or worse, he's meddling in the offense and influencing the new guy. 

We were supposed to see new concepts because the offense last year (but everyone's admission) was stale - that was the main reason for bringing in someone like Moore.  Really not seeing much of those new concepts.  If the new coordinators both came in and excelled and the team was rolling then credit absolutely does go to Sirianni for making the correct hires.  

30 minutes ago, time2rock said:

We were supposed to see new concepts because the offense last year (but everyone's admission) was stale - that was the main reason for bringing in someone like Moore.  Really not seeing much of those new concepts.  If the new coordinators both came in and excelled and the team was rolling then credit absolutely does go to Sirianni for making the correct hires.  

I question how much input Siri had in these hires.

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Good. Then he's not just a cheerleader or CEO.

 

It's funny ... first people complained, "What's he even here for?" Now it's, "He's still too involved in the offense." lol

No. The problem is last year's offense had a lot of problems. They fired Brian Johnson and brought in Moore to bring creativity and improvements. If Moore isn't allowed to cook and Siri is interfering...and the offense is still struggling like it did last year, then it's not a good thing. If multiple analysts are pointing out that they do not see the evidence of Moore's offense that he ran in Dallas and LA that were highly ranked offenses, and they're seeing the same formations and designs this year as last year, then it's concerning that the expected changes are not happening. If Siri is hurting the offense, then he needs to let go. He should be game planning with strategy and preparation through the week, but leaning on Moore in play design and execution. 

Siri knows he's on the hot seat and wants to be able to point to things he contributes to. If the OC calls the plays, the HC is supposed to manage the entire game situation and strategy. Siri has made bad decisions on 4th down and managing timeouts, the bare minimum if you're not calling plays. 

He has pointed to certain plays on offense and defense that he called, which could be protecting your coordinators and taking the blame. But then it also then suggests why are you calling the plays sometimes and not letting them? If it's true, then that means the bad decisions on play calling are coming from him. He would be better off with simple coach speak.

 

Lane Johnson complained about the slow starts and that it's been happening for 2 years. That's a head coach issue, when changing coordinators and things stay the same.

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

We were supposed to see new concepts because the offense last year (but everyone's admission) was stale - that was the main reason for bringing in someone like Moore.  Really not seeing much of those new concepts.  If the new coordinators both came in and excelled and the team was rolling then credit absolutely does go to Sirianni for making the correct hires.  

Exactly.  The offense looks basically identical to what we saw all of last year.  It feels like we are wasting our offensive talent because Sirianni cannot compose any semblance of a game plan or exploit any defensive weaknesses.  He just figures the players will "out talent" the opponent.  Week in, week out, nothing changes.  It's mind boggling.

2 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

Exactly.  The offense looks basically identical to what we saw all of last year.  It feels like we are wasting our offensive talent because Sirianni cannot compose any semblance of a game plan or exploit any defensive weaknesses.  He just figures the players will "out talent" the opponent.  Week in, week out, nothing changes.  It's mind boggling.

Why even bring in someone like Moore if you aren't going to use him?!?  It's like trading for a star QB and then using him as a holder on FGs.  

But I thought they were saying in the offseason that majority was new stuff

 

Just now, time2rock said:

 

This.  I think it's the QB more than the coordinator/HC.  His inability to read the field, throw over the middle, constantly escaping from a clean pocket, and decline in running ability is becoming a huge liability for playcalling.  

27 minutes ago, time2rock said:

 

Have been saying it's a QB thing for a while now. Sirianni is a doofus, but you'd have to think that Lurie sees what we all see. If it was simply Sirianni keeps going rogue, then I have to believe he wouldn't be allowed to continue to do it.

To me, it has more to do with the QB not being comfortable in another offense and wants to throw 50/50 balls to his buddies.

That said, they're both a problem regardless. Sirianni can and should be shown the door after this season barring a dramatic turn around and Super Bowl appearance.

Hurts we will realistically ride this season and next with. I don't think they move him before the 2026 season and there's still hope with a new coach next year he could always figure it out, though I have my doubts.

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

No. The problem is last year's offense had a lot of problems. They fired Brian Johnson and brought in Moore to bring creativity and improvements. If Moore isn't allowed to cook and Siri is interfering...and the offense is still struggling like it did last year, then it's not a good thing. If multiple analysts are pointing out that they do not see the evidence of Moore's offense that he ran in Dallas and LA that were highly ranked offenses, and they're seeing the same formations and designs this year as last year, then it's concerning that the expected changes are not happening. If Siri is hurting the offense, then he needs to let go. He should be game planning with strategy and preparation through the week, but leaning on Moore in play design and execution. 

There is that, but also hurts doesn’t seem to be able to run that sort of offense. 

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

Why even bring in someone like Moore if you aren't going to use him?!?  It's like trading for a star QB and then using him as a holder on FGs.  

Right!  And as others are saying...I do also wonder how much Hurts plays into this.  I've asked this question on this board before: Does Sirianni not design a better offense because he simply can't or is too stubborn?  Or is the offensive design/plan based on Hurts' ability to execute anything more complex?  THAT, may actually be the better question.  But, that is one that'll never actually get answered.  

2 hours ago, rrfierce said:

There is that, but also hurts doesn’t seem to be able to run that sort of offense. 

Maybe. Moore was supposed to take what worked in the past, blend with concepts he does, and work with the talent on the roster to do what suits them best. He was supposed to review during the bye week the film they have from the first games to learn from them. 

They knew who the QB was when they hired Moore. Moore knows the QB and has his game film history. It's up to them to scheme and design plays for the QBs strengths.

When Foles took over for Wentz, he struggled in his first couple games. Fans were complaining that it wasn't going to be good enough. During the bye before playoffs, Reich reviewed what worked for Foles in the past and made changes. Then Foles flourished in the playoffs. The coach adjusted to the QB.

3 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

But I thought they were saying in the offseason that majority was new stuff

What if Moore brought new stuff, then Siri overrides him and tells him what to do? Siri said Moore would take what he did in the past, blend it with what worked here in the past and create an offense that suits them. We're seeing the same route trees, overuse of the brotherly shove. Do you think Moore wants to do that? 

When you add up the pieces it doesn't make sense. Moore was successful at 2 other teams. Last year we debated who is the problem, Siri or Brian Johnson? They brought in Moore, yet the offense looks the same. Analysts are breaking down game film and saying the offense looks the same as it did before Moore. 

 

3 hours ago, time2rock said:

 

 

Were they the same in 2022 under Steichen when Hurts was a runner up MVP and had they won the SB would have been SB MVP? Serious question because I don't know. 

If it's the QB, how are the coaches adjusting to him (since he's not going anywhere)? Hurts does make throws from under center, in the pocket, to the middle of the field. Not enough, but he's done that. He has made more than 1 read, he has finally passed to other receivers like Dotson and Calcaterra. 

If the QB is really that bad that he just can't/won't run the offense the way they want, then what are the coaches doing about that? Bench him and make a statement. Hold him accountable.

4 hours ago, hputenis said:

This.  I think it's the QB more than the coordinator/HC.  His inability to read the field, throw over the middle, constantly escaping from a clean pocket, and decline in running ability is becoming a huge liability for playcalling.  

 

3 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

Right!  And as others are saying...I do also wonder how much Hurts plays into this.  I've asked this question on this board before: Does Sirianni not design a better offense because he simply can't or is too stubborn?  Or is the offensive design/plan based on Hurts' ability to execute anything more complex?  THAT, may actually be the better question.  But, that is one that'll never actually get answered.  

 

How do we explain 2022? Even the last 2 years there are times (albeit not enough) that he has read the defense, thrown to someone other than the 1st read, thrown to the middle, stayed in the pocket to make throws...

Here's a highlight reel of plays in 2022. So, fans think that Hurts played at an MVP level in 2022 and then...refused to run those plays and is stubborn and does not want to play great anymore? That doesn't add up. I think Hurts is part of the problem and players can regress. But I don't really buy that he refuses to do things...especially things that were so successful in the past.

 

 

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Good. Then he's not just a cheerleader or CEO.

 

It's funny ... first people complained, "What's he even here for?" Now it's, "He's still too involved in the offense." lol

Personally I don't mind the CEO thing. I do mind him having his hands in the O. His 2nd season as the HC is all the proof we need.