Its your L to take. they lose tons

im fine if they raise prices so long as they are required to be profitable. Otherwise let them fail

7 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

 and checks should be electronic anyway. The usps is a completely outdated model

Back in reality, EDI is not accomplished by sprinkling fairy dust on a new company and speaking an incantation from the "make money appear in my bank account securely that was originally in someone else's bank account" spellbook.

 

2 hours ago, mayanh8 said:

Back in reality, EDI is not accomplished by sprinkling fairy dust on a new company and speaking an incantation from the "make money appear in my bank account securely that was originally in someone else's bank account" spellbook.

Our ACH system is a joke. 

11 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Its your L to take. they lose tons

im fine if they raise prices so long as they are required to be profitable. Otherwise let them fail

Breaking even is all they need to do. If they are self-funded and not losing money they are far above pretty much every other part of government.

I am not surprised your attitude towards the poor and rural is "F them"

Just look around at all the libertarian nation-state Utopias with efficient privatized parcel, police, and healthcare services....

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Our ACH system is a joke. 

Clearly, that's the fault of the USPS. Additionally, if a new or existing company, individual, or entity chooses not to maintain a digital relationship with a financial institution then we should definitely force them because USPS bad mmmmmmmkay?

 

42 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Breaking even is all they need to do. If they are self-funded and not losing money they are far above pretty much every other part of government.

I am not surprised your attitude towards the poor and rural is "F them"

my attitude towards pretty much everyone is let them succeed or fail of their own accord

people must change and adapt. the reason these systems, like the USPS, are unsustainable is we are constantly trying to carve out exceptions for small fractions and their sob stories

 

Trump admits he's not funding USPS... in order to shut-down universal mail-in voting.

Meanwhile, people are still waiting for money/checks to arrive, prescriptions, bills are late, etc.

On 8/10/2020 at 5:40 PM, toolg said:

Yes. I am still waiting on a package that was supposed to be delivered a week ago.

I am hearing mail carriers are not allowed OT. They must stop in the middle of their route if they aren't able to complete it. And at least locally, they are experiencing a lot of call-outs. Either due to illness, or they are calling out in advance of risk of exposure, or the stress is getting to them.... There is a lot working against them right now.

Leave it to the Republicants in charge to ruin a service we were able to rely on for generations.

You're right.  We just just let all these broken, bloated, fiscally insolvent government systems continue that way forever.  

so defunding USPS right before an election that the POTUS isnt looking so well in without a plan is the answer ? and isnt a political ploy at all ?

 

that said, i dont feel bad for any people that have been out partying in large crowds, hitting the beach towns, or protesting that suddenly fear going to the voting booths. F you, go vote in person. 

 

53 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

You're right.  We just just let all these broken, bloated, fiscally insolvent government systems continue that way forever.  

Great so when are we starting with the most broken, bloated, fiscally insolvent government system known to man in the US Military?

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

my attitude towards pretty much everyone is let them succeed or fail of their own accord

people must change and adapt. the reason these systems, like the USPS, are unsustainable is we are constantly trying to carve out exceptions for small fractions and their sob stories

 

Which is why you suck as human being.

I'm starting to get emails from companies apologizing for delays in the USPS. 

Let's just look at this in a vacuum. Take away the illogical arguments of "the USPS should be allowed to fail" for a second. Also, ignore the political side of it.

Who actually thinks it's a good idea to start slashing and burning at the USPS without some sort of plan to make sure mail gets delivered on time? I don't understand the thinking here. I could at least understand the logic of kneecapping USPS capacity and scale requirements if demand for USPS services was in a nosedive because we'd spent the last few years transitioning delivery responsibilities to another transport medium. But that's not the case. In fact it's the opposite.  While mail volume has a tiny decrease in volume, parcel volume at the USPS has increased 50% over the past five years.

This is just example 324298374 in a long line of leadership and logistical failures in the Trump administration. Absolutely zero forethought. Just, "DUUUUUUURRRRR USPS BAD. ME NO LIKE USPS!!!"

4 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Let's just look at this in a vacuum. Take away the illogical arguments of "the USPS should be allowed to fail" for a second. Also, ignore the political side of it.

Who actually thinks it's a good idea to start slashing and burning at the USPS without some sort of plan to make sure mail gets delivered on time? I don't understand the thinking here. I could at least understand the logic of kneecapping USPS capacity and scale requirements if demand for USPS services was in a nosedive because we'd spent the last few years transitioning delivery responsibilities to another transport medium. But that's not the case. In fact it's the opposite.  While mail volume has a tiny decrease in volume, parcel volume at the USPS has increased 50% over the past five years.

This is just example 324298374 in a long line of leadership and logistical failures in the Trump administration. Absolutely zero forethought. Just, "DUUUUUUURRRRR USPS BAD. ME NO LIKE USPS!!!"

The people in rural areas are the most reliant on the USPS.  Way to alienate your core group, GOP.

I can't wait until it costs $10 to send a letter across the country.

Also, Trump is hurting the Amazon customers who don’t have Amazon Prime and get their packages from USPS.  So yeah, he’s hurting Bezos, but also white working-class folks in rural areas.  In other words, his core group of voters.

1 hour ago, Ride the Walrus said:

Great so when are we starting with the most broken, bloated, fiscally insolvent government system known to man in the US Military?

Look I'm all for making government more efficient everywhere, but the USPS is a completely different animal.  It can not be compared to the US Military. 

1 hour ago, Ride the Walrus said:

Great so when are we starting with the most broken, bloated, fiscally insolvent government system known to man in the US Military?

You misspelled medicare

Wait. People actually like the mail? And use it? Other than junk mail and the peco bill I don’t use it at all. Don’t even need the peco bill but that sheet keeps coming. There’s almost no need for USPS in residential cities and suburban areas. Middle of west bumble F maybe. Companies sure. But if they reduced the amount of junk mail and all bills went paperless we could possibly make them not such a drain. 

49 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Let's just look at this in a vacuum. Take away the illogical arguments of "the USPS should be allowed to fail" for a second. Also, ignore the political side of it.

Who actually thinks it's a good idea to start slashing and burning at the USPS without some sort of plan to make sure mail gets delivered on time? I don't understand the thinking here. I could at least understand the logic of kneecapping USPS capacity and scale requirements if demand for USPS services was in a nosedive because we'd spent the last few years transitioning delivery responsibilities to another transport medium. But that's not the case. In fact it's the opposite.  While mail volume has a tiny decrease in volume, parcel volume at the USPS has increased 50% over the past five years.

This is just example 324298374 in a long line of leadership and logistical failures in the Trump administration. Absolutely zero forethought. Just, "DUUUUUUURRRRR USPS BAD. ME NO LIKE USPS!!!"

I've been in Operations my whole career.  My job is to seize control of broken companies and operations and get them turned around and running efficiently.  Literally the first thing you do in these situations is eliminate overtime.  You do this in order to stress test the system and see what your employees can accomplish in a standard shift.  During this period you expect services disruption.  Once done, you eliminate the employees who are executing at a low level and hire others to fill the gap that was previously being filled via overtime.  This is all standard practice in an operational recovery initiative and is in no way a "slash a burn".  

Now, all that being said, it is very likely that the costs of the running the USPS even after a restructuring won't allow the business to be profitable (or even break even).  If that's true we have two choices....raise prices or eliminate it all together and contract it to a third party.  I wouldn't be surprised if to see any of these outcomes. 

11 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

I've been in Operations my whole career.  My job is to seize control of broken companies and operations and get them turned around and running efficiently.  Literally the first thing you do in these situations is eliminate overtime.  You do this in order to stress test the system and see what your employees can accomplish in a standard shift.  During this period you expect services disruption.  Once done, you eliminate the employees who are executing at a low level and hire others to fill the gap that was previously being filled via overtime.  This is all standard practice in an operational recovery initiative and is in no way a "slash a burn".  

Now, all that being said, it is very likely that the costs of the running the USPS even after a restructuring won't allow the business to be profitable (or even break even).  If that's true we have two choices....raise prices or eliminate it all together and contract it to a third party.  I wouldn't be surprised if to see any of these outcomes. 

You don't do any of this in the middle of a pandemic and 3 months away from an election when your service is the way millions of Americans will vote.  

You guys need to stop pretending like the circumstances surrounding Trump trying to halt mail service right now is comparable to any other situation.  It's not.  It's anti-Democratic, UnAmerican and nakedly political.

he's doing it to slow down mail in voting...he already admitted it.  he talks about it every day. 

deflect the conversation elsewhere all you want but it all comes back to that.