20 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I mean it's really not that serious regardless of opinions.

I think people take things too personally when they really shouldnt

One thing that's real hard to share with text on a screen is tone. I think we all probably apply tone (that isn't really there) when reading posts that others make. I can be sarcastic and facetious often and that's on purpose, but that may not always be obvious. I'm not a contrarian that just likes to argue, though. I won't support an argument or stance I don't believe in.

If anybody here takes things too serious or personal, well ... there's not much we can do. Most people are probably more easygoing than people think. The ones that do get too involved usually end flipping out and eventually end up banned. 

There are a lot of posters here that I disagree with on one topic or another. But I can't think of a single person here that I don't think I could watch Eagles games with. 

I feel like Hurts could win three consecutive Super Bowls and the Haterade would still be flowing here like roofied Capri Sun at a Diddy party.

On 12/13/2024 at 5:17 PM, EaglesAddict said:

There are "Hurts haters" and "Hurts apologists" and both are ridiculous.  I see Hurts as a mid-level QB and that's honestly where I think he is.  He does some things well and he does not do some things well.  Could we have a better QB? Sure.  Could we have a worse QB? Absolutely.  We can obviously win with him.  The question will be can this version of Hurts step up with his passing in a game where we need the offense to carry the load.  For example, would he be able to play well enough to keep pace with the Lions in Detroit?  As good as our D has been, the Lions will put up a bunch of points on us, no doubt.

Hurts is never going to be a diagnose the defense, make anticipatory throws, quick/accurate decision-making type of QB.  He is what he is at this point.  He will make plays with his legs and make occasional good throws in big spots.  He'll allow Brown and Smith to make plays on the ball and is perfectly capable of elite ball placement.  He'll also make the occasional boneheaded decision.

I think there is a lot of truth to this in respect of both Hurts’s strengths and weaknesses and him being overrated and underrated by some. But honestly I still think you are undervaluing him. 

I think when he is bad, you are right, it tends to be about holding the ball too long and not reading the D quickly enough. But there are times when he does this well. 

Let’s remember he was second team all pro in 2022 and MVP favourite after 12 weeks last year. I think there’s certainly arguments about whether Hurts is a top 5 QB but I think he’s definitely top 10 and I don’t think that’s fair to call him mid 

 

On 12/13/2024 at 6:18 PM, Eagles1960 said:

The first sentence in your last paragraph describes the most important attributes of a QB.  You also need arm strength and Hurts' arm strength is satisfactory, although not great.  So can a middle of the road/slightly above average QB win a Super Bowl?  Very difficult. Look at the Super Bowl winning QBs in recent years.  The last middle of the road QB to win it is none other than Nick Foles, who caught lightning in a bottle and had the advantage of a #1 seed and a bye thanks in large part to Carson Wentz.    Its been a fun season so far with a lot of wins but it will be rendered fairly meaningless unless the Eagles at least make the Super Bowl.

Firstly I personally think that Hurts is better than that and clearly a top 10 QB in this league, all things taken into account.

Secondly, if you are talking about Super Bowl winning QBs, based on your argument you don’t have much of a chance unless you have either Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes. 

Stafford won the only other SB after Foles apart from those 2. Is he better than Hurts? Hurts beat him pretty easily this year. Jackson and Burrow are both elite right? Hurts beat them both easily. 
 

2 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I think there is a lot of truth to this in respect of both Hurts’s strengths and weaknesses and him being overrated and underrated by some. But honestly I still think you are undervaluing him. 

I think when he is bad, you are right, it tends to be about holding the ball too long and not reading the D quickly enough. But there are times when he does this well. 

Let’s remember he was second team all pro in 2022 and MVP favourite after 12 weeks last year. I think there’s certainly arguments about whether Hurts is a top 5 QB but I think he’s definitely top 10 and I don’t think that’s fair to call him mid 

 

Nah, he's mid 

But, seriously...my opinion of him is based on what I've watched.  He's just too inconsistent for me to describe him as anything other than mid-level.  Saying he's top 10 top 15, etc, is always subjective based on who the other QBs are in the league at the time of that type of ranking.  

Are there weeks where he's "top 5" looking?  Absolutely.  Are there weeks where he looks "bad", yes to that too.  His 2022 season has been his best and that's when he was letting it rip more often and didn't have the turnovers.  Last year he was a turnover machine.  He started off that way this year too before the offense went run-dominant after the bye.  

There's good Jalen, bad Jalen, and somewhere in between Jalen.  Average that out, he's mid. 

On 12/15/2024 at 8:43 PM, EazyEaglez said:

You miss those ugly losses though. Bet you miss making all those excuses too.

I miss Carson Wentz. I still think he can get it done. Toward the end, he was too much of a turnover machine. 

Hurts needs to play well, like last game, in the playoffs. I think Jalen was hurt last year. Let's see how far we go this year. Things are looking good right now.

1 hour ago, CouchKing said:

I miss Carson Wentz. I still think he can get it done. Toward the end, he was too much of a turnover machine. 

Hurts needs to play well, like last game, in the playoffs. I think Jalen was hurt last year. Let's see how far we go this year. Things are looking good right now.

There is something seriously off with Wentz. 5 teams in 5 years says everything. A shame because he was very gifted. 

28 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

There is something seriously off with Wentz. 5 teams in 5 years says everything. A shame because he was very gifted. 

Carson Wentz stopped caring about football 5 years ago once he got his big contract.

What he cares about these days is family, huntin, fishin, and biblin.

Carson Wentz career earnings at $129mil. Not bad.

Still in the league. Just an ankle injury away from starting for the Chiefs in the SuperBowl versus Hurts and the Eagles.

The real test for me is...Would I want to see him starting for the Cowboys? My answer to that is no.

On 12/18/2024 at 4:16 PM, CouchKing said:

Carson Wentz career earnings at $129mil. Not bad.

Still in the league. Just an ankle injury away from starting for the Chiefs in the SuperBowl versus Hurts and the Eagles.

The real test for me is...Would I want to see him starting for the Cowboys? My answer to that is no.

You really still stroking off to a guy with a career total of 3 passing yards in the playoffs in almost a decade after all the shet you talk about Hurts? 

On 12/16/2024 at 3:15 PM, ManchesterEagle said:

 

Yeah I mean I hate this narrative that us "Hurts Huggers” won’t let people criticise is nonsense. He absolutely deserves criticism. But the irrational hate for him is out of line. He’s top 6 in Quarterback rating and QBR, has 32 total touchdowns. Has turned the ball over like 2 in the past 8 games and has won 10 straight with various injuries to his line and skill players. Imagine when (if??) he loses a game this year.

This is wildly inaccurate

11 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

This is wildly inaccurate

Providing no evidence for your assertion.

16 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Providing no evidence for your assertion.

All from criticism of Hurts

@Mike030270 I was talking about this board. Social media in general is toxic. 
But those of us who support Hurts on this board recognise when he has a bad game and his faults. We also get annoyed at the vitriol and claims he can’t pass the ball, 

Seems more like moving goalposts after I showed you the proof you asked for

On 12/17/2024 at 10:46 AM, ManchesterEagle said:

Stafford won the only other SB after Foles apart from those 2. Is he better than Hurts? Hurts beat him pretty easily this year. Jackson and Burrow are both elite right? Hurts beat them both easily. 
 

Hurts beat them both? Or the Eagles beat the Ravens and Bengals? Yes Hurts had a lot to do with it (he handles the ball every snap for one thing) but I don't know that Hurts was  overwhelmingly responsible for either victory. Just a pet peeve of mine when a single player - any player - on a football team is talked about as if they are mostly responsible for wins or losses. If I were to go down that road, I'd say that Michael Vick and Lamar Jackson have been more responsible as a single player for his team's wins than Jalen Hurts.

On 12/20/2024 at 11:56 PM, Mike030270 said:

Seems more like moving goalposts after I showed you the proof you asked for

 

On 12/21/2024 at 12:47 AM, eglz1 said:

Hurts beat them both? Or the Eagles beat the Ravens and Bengals? Yes Hurts had a lot to do with it (he handles the ball every snap for one thing) but I don't know that Hurts was  overwhelmingly responsible for either victory. Just a pet peeve of mine when a single player - any player - on a football team is talked about as if they are mostly responsible for wins or losses. If I were to go down that road, I'd say that Michael Vick and Lamar Jackson have been more responsible as a single player for his team's wins than Jalen Hurts.

lol - I was talking about this board, where you Mike finally had to backtrack a couple of years ago where you had spent a year proclaiming how terrible he was. 
 

Hurts has his faults for sure, but when he has been out over the last few years the Eagles are a much less scary proposition. Do you think it’s a coincidence that Barkley did nothing in the second half after Hurts left?

3 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

lol - I was talking about this board, where you Mike finally had to backtrack a couple of years ago where you had spent a year proclaiming how terrible he was. 
 

Hurts has his faults for sure, but when he has been out over the last few years the Eagles are a much less scary proposition. Do you think it’s a coincidence that Barkley did nothing in the second half after Hurts left?

I sure as hell dont want to see this team without Hurts. Maybe some people will wake up after seeing what it looks like without him. 

I'm sure Kenny Pickett loves his mother, is kind to animals, and makes regular donations of time and money to good causes. But he should not be this team's QB2. No offence to him, but that was just horrible. Maybe now we can get some more respect on QB1 now we can all see what we miss when he's gone

4 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

lol - I was talking about this board, where you Mike finally had to backtrack a couple of years ago where you had spent a year proclaiming how terrible he was. 
 

Hurts has his faults for sure, but when he has been out over the last few years the Eagles are a much less scary proposition. Do you think it’s a coincidence that Barkley did nothing in the second half after Hurts left?

I gave you the examples you asked for. You then moved goalposts to say you meant specifically on the board. I have no idea what you're talking about backtracking but nice deflection

 

Barkley still had good runs with Pickett at QB

3 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

lol - I was talking about this board, where you Mike finally had to backtrack a couple of years ago where you had spent a year proclaiming how terrible he was. 
 

Hurts has his faults for sure, but when he has been out over the last few years the Eagles are a much less scary proposition. Do you think it’s a coincidence that Barkley did nothing in the second half after Hurts left?

I think that's on the Eagles for staying in shotgun without Hurts. Barkley probably would have been more effective in full-Dickerson mode with a QB under center and the FB in the game. While Pickett might be comfortable passing out of the shotgun, it rendered Barkley ineffective against a defense keying on him (knowing the QB was no threat as a runner). 

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I gave you the examples you asked for. You then moved goalposts to say you meant specifically on the board. I have no idea what you're talking about backtracking but nice deflection

 

Barkley still had good runs with Pickett at QB

I'm not sure he did, you know. Over 100 yards and two TDs in the 1st quarter, hardly anything afterwards

Just now, kiwinavega said:

I'm not sure he did, you know. Over 100 yards and two TDs in the 1st quarter, hardly anything afterwards

He did

If you say so, I just saw a lot of him getting stuffed close to the LOS