Prevent D last drive gift wrapped Wash win

[weko]

D has played great this year and Vic is the reason why, but my God how pathetically soft and passive was that prevent D on the last drive. Possession before we blitzed at picked off an errant pass. We just served up the win on a platter for Washington. I will never understand fear based prevent d that almost always results in a loss

[EazyEaglez]

12 lousy points in three quarters of football doomed this football team. They had the ball all of the third, but only came away with 6 points. Also the defense gave up multiple scoring drives and 22 4th quarter points. They let Daniels throw five tds against them. It was a bigger collapse than just one drive. 

[Devaster]

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

12 lousy points in three quarters of football doomed this football team. They had the ball all of the third, but only came away with 6 points. Also the defense gave up multiple scoring drives and 22 4th quarter points. They let Daniels throw five tds against them. It was a bigger collapse than just one drive. 

The difference between having Hurts and not having Hurts. Pickett sucks and the offense was one-dimensional with his limitations, even with all the weapons on offense. They still almost pulled it off. Would have been a great team win if they had.

[EazyEaglez]

14 minutes ago, Devaster said:

The difference between having Hurts and not having Hurts. Pickett sucks and the offense was one-dimensional with his limitations, even with all the weapons on offense. They still almost pulled it off. Would have been a great team win if they had.

Can’t help but feel this would have been a blowout or at least a solid win if Hurts didn’t get knocked out of the game.

[Devaster]

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Can’t help but feel this would have been a blowout or at least a solid win if Hurts didn’t get knocked out of the game.

I think it could have been a blowout, but it probably would have been a close win. I expect Barkley would have gone off even more.

[EazyEaglez]

3 minutes ago, Devaster said:

I think it could have been a blowout, but it probably would have been a close win. I expect Barkley would have gone off even more.

Barkley definitely has a much better second half IMO, because Jalen’s ability to run forces teams to account for him. 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

There’s no doubt with Hurts we would have had better opportunities to win. But this team committed dumb penalties all day and so I can’t say with complete confidence that we would have won. It’s the most likely outcome though.

[AmericanEagle77]

6 hours ago, Devaster said:

The difference between having Hurts and not having Hurts. Pickett sucks and the offense was one-dimensional with his limitations, even with all the weapons on offense. They still almost pulled it off. Would have been a great team win if they had.

It's less about Hurts and more about Pickett and the structure of the offense. Essentially, the current form of Kellen's offense is based around Hurts, and largely works specifically because of his threat to run. This is a problem because on top of Pickett not being good, the skillset between our starting QB and our backup QB is too different - they have to run the plays differently as soon as QB1 goes down.

This is really hard to do off the bench, because without changing the way they call the game and are approaching the plays, you basically need really high levels of accuracy. Kenny Pickett is not that person, so this is what you get. Now amplify that with QBs coming cold off the bench not being the greatest thing ever.

I think what this really says is that that Moore isn't who people think he is, but it should improve with an actual intended starter and practicing with that in mind.

[EazyEaglez]

5 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's less about Hurts and more about Pickett and the structure of the offense. Essentially, the current form of Kellen's offense is based around Hurts, and largely works specifically because of his threat to run. This is a problem because on top of Pickett not being good, the skillset between our starting QB and our backup QB is too different - they have to run the plays differently as soon as QB1 goes down.

This is really hard to do off the bench, because without changing the way they call the game and are approaching the plays, you basically need really high levels of accuracy. Kenny Pickett is not that person, so this is what you get. Now amplify that with QBs coming cold off the bench not being the greatest thing ever.

I think what this really says is that that Moore isn't who people think he is, but it should improve with an actual intended starter and practicing with that in mind.

Not surprised you don’t think Jalen has anything to do with the wins. I’m sure anyone can go out there and win with this team. At least so I’m told.  

[UK_EaglesFan89]

22 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Not surprised you don’t think Jalen has anything to do with the wins. I’m sure anyone can go out there and win with this team. At least so I’m told.  

I can tell you who can’t win with this team… Kenny Pickett.

[EazyEaglez]

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I can tell you who can’t win with this team… Kenny Pickett.

Neither could Minshew or Mariota, but anyone can do it! 😂🤣😂

[Portyansky]

7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Can’t help but feel this would have been a blowout or at least a solid win if Hurts didn’t get knocked out of the game.

100% but Smith needed to catch that ball!

I can forgive Smith and Barkley (Atl), bc honestly it shouldn't have came down to that. I juts hope our super stars don't make that drop in January and Feb

7 hours ago, Devaster said:

I think it could have been a blowout, but it probably would have been a close win. I expect Barkley would have gone off even more.

I was thinking close to 250 after that 1st quarter. 

[EazyEaglez]

7 minutes ago, Portyansky said:

100% but Smith needed to catch that ball!

I can forgive Smith and Barkley (Atl), bc honestly it shouldn't have came down to that. I juts hope our super stars don't make that drop in January and Feb

I was thinking close to 250 after that 1st quarter. 

There were so many problems to just drop it all on Smitty doesn’t really seem fair. The special teams can’t be that bad. The offense has to do more with all of those turnovers. CJGJ can’t take that second penalty. Carter needs to realize that he’s starting to get that Suh treatment. Teams are going to try and bait him into stupid penalties now. The defense can’t let Daniels get those first down runs on third down. Giving up 22 4th quarter points…. Yuck. Bottom line is this game shouldn’t have come down to a Smitty drop. The Eagles had plenty of chances to close out this game, but they kept failing to do so. 

[Swimm]

The team failed on every level. Pathetic. 

[Swimm]

8 hours ago, Devaster said:

The difference between having Hurts and not having Hurts. Pickett sucks and the offense was one-dimensional with his limitations, even with all the weapons on offense. They still almost pulled it off. Would have been a great team win if they had.

 

Maybe don't sign a awful QB to be your backup?

[Cheesteakitis]

8 minutes ago, Swimm said:

 

Maybe don't sign an awful QB to be your backup?

They didn’t sign him they actually swapped picks to get him… I’ll have to look back at what the trade actually was.

[time2rock]

19 minutes ago, Cheesteakitis said:

They didn’t sign him they actually swapped picks to get him… I’ll have to look back at what the trade actually was.

We sent Pitt our 2024 3rd (along with 2 x 7th rd picks in the upcoming 2025 draft) for Pickett and a 2024 4th (basically the equivalent of a mid 4th).

Washington adjusted on D once Hurts was out.  Selling out to stop Barkley and daring Pickett to beat them with his arm.  He did make some decent throws but some bad drops (Smitty, Barkley, Brown ... the latter 2 were a result of really good defensive plays but still could have been caught).  Nothing went our way after the 1st quarter.

[Swimm]

2 hours ago, Cheesteakitis said:

They didn’t sign him they actually swapped picks to get him… I’ll have to look back at what the trade actually was.

 

Thats even worse.....

[Portyansky]

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

There were so many problems to just drop it all on Smitty doesn’t really seem fair. The special teams can’t be that bad. The offense has to do more with all of those turnovers. CJGJ can’t take that second penalty. Carter needs to realize that he’s starting to get that Suh treatment. Teams are going to try and bait him into stupid penalties now. The defense can’t let Daniels get those first down runs on third down. Giving up 22 4th quarter points…. Yuck. Bottom line is this game shouldn’t have come down to a Smitty drop. The Eagles had plenty of chances to close out this game, but they kept failing to do so. 

Unfortunately the game did come down to a dropped pass. How many times have we seen in all sports a super star make a play when the team shouldn't have been in a tight spot? That's what super stars do.

[Swimm]

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

We sent Pitt our 2024 3rd (along with 2 x 7th rd picks in the upcoming 2025 draft) for Pickett and a 2024 4th (basically the equivalent of a mid 4th).

Washington adjusted on D once Hurts was out.  Selling out to stop Barkley and daring Pickett to beat them with his arm.  He did make some decent throws but some bad drops (Smitty, Barkley, Brown ... the latter 2 were a result of really good defensive plays but still could have been caught).  Nothing went our way after the 1st quarter.

 

This team has huge problem making adjustments around  any injured starters. Its like  when one part goes down the whole thing seems to break. Thats a coaching issue.

I remember Andy Reid being pretty good at covering up and adjusting for injuries.   This team just falls apart. 

[EmeraldArcher7154]

Hurts being out of the game is what costed them the game. no different than what we did to san fran the super bowl year. it's scary that the eagles are at the point where they cannot take a qb injury. 

[Miami]

Daniels’ scrambles hurt.  Fangio maybe should spy him next time.  He switched between man and zone trying to figure it out.

[Portyansky]

2 minutes ago, EmeraldArcher7154 said:

Hurts being out of the game is what costed them the game. no different than what we did to san fran the super bowl year. it's scary that the eagles are at the point where they cannot take a qb injury. 

Same is true for probably all 32 teams. What we did in 2017 will probably never be seen again.

[EmeraldArcher7154]

1 minute ago, Portyansky said:

Same is true for probably all 32 teams. What we did in 2017 will probably never be seen again.

it will but it's not going to be the norm. pickett has won games in the nfl as a starter with way less talent on offense. i think he got messed up mentally by what happened with the whole pittsburgh thing

[time2rock]

26 minutes ago, EmeraldArcher7154 said:

Hurts being out of the game is what costed them the game. no different than what we did to san fran the super bowl year. it's scary that the eagles are at the point where they cannot take a qb injury. 

That is the primary reason why myself (and plenty of others) were scratching our heads at the addition of Pickett (vs someone like Fields who you wouldn't need to adjust the offense as much to make work).  But who knows ... maybe they did their due diligence on him and that pursuit didn't work out for whatever reason (CHI not wanting to deal him to an NFC competitor, Pitt offering more than us, etc.).