Do you think Eagles would have been a dynasty if Andy Reid didn't get fired after 2012?

[gameshowfan91]

I've seen people on YouTube say that. They say it was a mistake for Eagles to fire the greatest coach in franchise history.

I don't think they would have. Even though he did really good things for the Eagles, it was time to let him go after 2012. Eagles weren't the same team after 2008- back to back Cowboys losses and losing in the Wild Card round against Packers, then no Playoffs in the next 2 seasons. He only changed his ways after he got fired. Plus would Howie be the top GM if he didn't have to deal with Chip Kelly.

[SkippyX]

Yes

McNabb was the anchor

We see the difference now with the anti-5 in Hurts (and Foles)

 

Mahomes SB TDs and other huge plays like wasp are mostly wide open throws but he does not choke much. 

McNabb was Jim Kelly 2.0

[AmericanEagle77]

No, because Andy Reid had too much personnel control here as opposed to in KC, among other reasons.

[Kz!]

Doubt it. I think Reid needed a change of scenery as bad or worse than we did. We were on a steep downhill trajectory when Reid departed that would have taken years for him to iron out. 

[MF POON]

9 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Yes

McNabb was the anchor

We see the difference now with the anti-5 in Hurts (and Foles)

 

Mahomes SB TDs and other huge plays like wasp are mostly wide open throws but he does not choke much. 

McNabb was Jim Kelly 2.0

 

I can see that, but McNabb didn't have elite WR's during his entire time in Philly.  I think Reid wasted McNabb's best years by not giving him great talent at that skill position, and then when they actually got him weapons there, he was prematurely shipped out for a fragile Vick.

IMO, I'm 100% certain Reid would've never had a dynasty here, but I'm torn about whether he would've ever won a Super Bowl.  I think his best chance to win at least one would've been with that roster Chip Kelly dismantled. Anyway, some analyst on breakfast ball said exactly how I feel about Reid - Andy is a really good coach who's won Super Bowls because of Patrick Mahomes.  I still believe he's the same old coach that has gotten extremely lucky in all 3 of his super bowl wins, and he's also displayed his huge flaws in each SB game he's been in.  Just look at Sunday to see how he was extremely outcoached. 

Lastly, the beatdown the Eagles gave them just confirms my opinion that we would've destroyed them in 2022 if the field wasn't trash. 

 

 

[seengreen]

No they would not. Andy was burned out, his message had worn thin. I think the NFCCG losses and the loss in the 2004 SB took their toll. He was still a good coach. Some of the coaching decisions he made (Juan Castillo) became so unlike what he built organizationally. You could see it was time for a change, Andy and the FO became complacent.

[Aspiritfall]

No... Andy and the Eagles both needed a change and ultimately it worked out for both... 

[EazyEaglez]

Only if Reid got Mahomes, but truthfully I think Reid needed to go. Howie needed to "go to the basement” and comeback the GM he is now. I’m good with this. Reid also needed to leave in order to grow.

[Loosechange]

1 hour ago, MF POON said:

 

I can see that, but McNabb didn't have elite WR's during his entire time in Philly.  I think Reid wasted McNabb's best years by not giving him great talent at that skill position, and then when they actually got him weapons there, he was prematurely shipped out for a fragile Vick.

IMO, I'm 100% certain Reid would've never had a dynasty here, but I'm torn about whether he would've ever won a Super Bowl.  I think his best chance to win at least one would've been with that roster Chip Kelly dismantled. Anyway, some analyst on breakfast ball said exactly how I feel about Reid - Andy is a really good coach who's won Super Bowls because of Patrick Mahomes.  I still believe he's the same old coach that has gotten extremely lucky in all 3 of his super bowl wins, and he's also displayed his huge flaws in each SB game he's been in.  Just look at Sunday to see how he was extremely outcoached. 

Lastly, the beatdown the Eagles gave them just confirms my opinion that we would've destroyed them in 2022 if the field wasn't trash. 

 

 

This. Mcnabb carried that offense on his back until he got too comfortable in the league and let his mobility go. If they had a decent wr core before picking up TO, surely we would have walked away with atleast one SB. 

Reid needed out of Philly badly. He had too much lingering on him including his son. 

[NOTW]

Ah, the annual "should we have kept Reid" post. 

Stop talking about what if Andy Reid...

Talk about the CURRENT team that is built to be a repeat winner. Let's talk about the current team that just won 2 days ago, not a guy fired 13 years ago.

Having said that: Reid was done here. Both he and the Eagles needed a change. They went all "dream team," he hired the O Line coach as the Defensive Coordinator. He had bad game management, the defensive drafting was dreadful for so long they hired mercenary free agents too much to make up for it. He didn't run the ball enough. He was not good in his final years here. Stop romanticizing his last years here.

He went to KC and their GM handled personnel and liked Mahomes. He learned from his mistakes and did better there. He did in KC what he should have done here. He failed to win a SB here. He failed in the NFCCG 3 times in a row. His coaching often cost them games. He was done, they were never going to win with him.

[SkippyX]

1 hour ago, Loosechange said:

This. Mcnabb carried that offense on his back until he got too comfortable in the league and let his mobility go. If they had a decent wr core before picking up TO, surely we would have walked away with atleast one SB. 

Reid needed out of Philly badly. He had too much lingering on him including his son. 

He let his mobility go because he was insane and Rush Limbaugh made him not be a running QB. This actually happened.

 

DJ and Maclin were awesome. TO was incredible and he went to war against him instead of trying to be a leader.

McNabb was so horrifically bad in AZ in that first half. They should have beaten Pittsburgh in the bowl by 13+ in 2008.

The Hank Baskett tackle is so quintessential McNabb. He's wide open running across the field and McNabb shoelaces him.

 

Lots of QBs won with great teams that had limited WRs but were strong in other areas.

He had a D that was incredible in 2001 and he gave the Rams the extra 7 they needed to beat that D with a fumble inside his own red zone.

McNabb had 4 picks in the SB (pick do-over pick was the 4th) and a fumble that did not count because his knee hit like 1/4 of a second before the ball was out.

He was garbage in the biggest moments.

 

McNabb's TD to INT

• Regular Season: 234 117   - 2 to 1
• Wildcard: 6 4   -  1.5 to 1
• Divisional: 9 4  -  2.25 to 1
• NFCCG: 6 6  -  1 to 1
• Super Bowl: 3 3  -  1 to 1

He was 1-5 in the 6 biggest games of his life on merit.

 

 

[time2rock]

I cringe every time I see or hear someone mention "dynasty" about as much as I used to with "Dream Team".  

[Aerolithe_Lion]

No, he was given creative control here and that was sinking the franchise. He didn’t have that in KC

Danny Watkins is what happens when you give Reid too much power. 

[NOTW]

41 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I cringe every time I see or hear someone mention "dynasty" about as much as I used to with "Dream Team".  

Well so far we're on 2 Super Bowl wins in 7 years with new coaches and mostly new players. Once we repeat next year (willing it into existence), then we can refer to a dynasty. 

[time2rock]

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Well so far we're on 2 Super Bowl wins in 7 years with new coaches and mostly new players. Once we repeat next year (willing it into existence), then we can refer to a dynasty. 

3peat and then we’ll talk

 

[eglz1]

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

Well so far we're on 2 Super Bowl wins in 7 years with new coaches and mostly new players. Once we repeat next year (willing it into existence), then we can refer to a dynasty. 

Exactly. The team was kind of smelling itself after 2017, I remember Lurie talking about getting back to the Bowl no problem. We know how that went.

[Mat]

I'm happy for Andy that he's has been successful in KC 

It was time for both sides to part ways, both teams have been successful. It's a win/win 

[time2rock]

Catch phrases that make me cringe:

DYNASTY

GOLD STANDARD

NEW NORMAL

DREAM TEAM

Please stop with any and all of those.  

[ManchesterEagle]

38 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Catch phrases that make me cringe:

DYNASTY

GOLD STANDARD

NEW NORMAL

DREAM TEAM

Please stop with any and all of those.  

Completely agree!

Anyway, I’m looking forward to next season where Superbowl appearances will be the new normal with this dream team.

There is no doubt we are at the start of a dynasty providing we keep attaining that gold standard that has become the new normal….

[time2rock]

Just now, ManchesterEagle said:

Completely agree!

Anyway, I’m looking forward to next season where Superbowl appearances will be the new normal with this dream team.

There is no doubt we are at the start of a dynasty providing we keep attaining that gold standard that has become the new normal….

 

 

 

[Cochis_Calhoun]

Reid was done here when he left, the last two years his staff picks veered between poor and  nonsensical, the team was going backwards and his family life was a spiralling disaster.

Fair play to him for taking his second chance in Kansas City, but getting rid of him at the end of 2012 was the best decision for him and us.

[Bwestbrook36]

Why some of you go through these mental gymnastics for scenarios like this, i will never understand. 

Enjoy this ride we are currently on and not bring up old and dead crap. 

[Swimm]

21 hours ago, MF POON said:

 

I can see that, but McNabb didn't have elite WR's during his entire time in Philly.  I think Reid wasted McNabb's best years by not giving him great talent at that skill position, and then when they actually got him weapons there, he was prematurely shipped out for a fragile Vick.

IMO, I'm 100% certain Reid would've never had a dynasty here, but I'm torn about whether he would've ever won a Super Bowl.  I think his best chance to win at least one would've been with that roster Chip Kelly dismantled. Anyway, some analyst on breakfast ball said exactly how I feel about Reid - Andy is a really good coach who's won Super Bowls because of Patrick Mahomes.  I still believe he's the same old coach that has gotten extremely lucky in all 3 of his super bowl wins, and he's also displayed his huge flaws in each SB game he's been in.  Just look at Sunday to see how he was extremely outcoached. 

Lastly, the beatdown the Eagles gave them just confirms my opinion that we would've destroyed them in 2022 if the field wasn't trash. 

 

 

 

Yup. Andy Reid and co pissed away a potential Dynasty during that run.   They were  more interested in being yearly salary cap champions than brining in  talent at the  WR position. Not only that they were filling  Defensive positions with bargain bin  has been players like Levon Kirkland and Blain Bishop.

[eagle45]

I was a big AR fan and never wanted him gone...until 2012.  That divorce was necessary for both sides.  The built up mutual resentment and frustration...a change was necessary.  AR reinvented himself as both a coach and a drafter after getting fired here.  He never would have had that success here.  That team completely quit and tuned him out.  The things he did with the staff were 

You need Mahomes, Tyreek Hill, and Travis Kelce if you want that success here.  Hill and Kelce were generally not the kind of guys Philly AR would be drafting.  And I don't think the Eagles were going to make it from 2013 through 2016 without a major investment in QB.  So I don't see how Mahomes in 2017 would have made it here.

 

[eagle45]

I think if AR was still the Eagles HC, then both the Eagles and AR would have zero combined SB's instead of 5.