Re-visiting the Wentz Trade

[time2rock]

What a haul!!  When you add up all the picks surrendered in the process to get Wentz and compare that to the players we managed to acquire with the picks we got in return for dealing him (and the picks that came about using the original picks to maneuver on draft day), I think it is safe to say we made out great. 

[NOTW]

And both of his backups won Super Bowls. 

[EazyEaglez]

For all of the negative surrounding Jalen, let’s take a moment to compare these two quarterbacks. Jalen has changed his style of play for the sake of the betterment of this team winning. So much to the point where people don’t think he should even be in the NFL, and he did this all for the sake of winning. Then let’s look at the other guy who was mad the Eagles were winning without him. Who refused to run successful plays because the other guy won with them. Refused to change his style of play despite it being a detriment to his own body and to the team. I wonder if Wentz gets it yet. While he was watching his backup do all of the things he refused to do in order to win a Super Bowl with the team that he was supposed to run for the next decade all because he refused to change. Maybe the reason why Carson avoided Jalen, because he still doesn’t get it and that why he wasn’t successful. 

[time2rock]

9 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

For all of the negative surrounding Jalen, let’s take a moment to compare these two quarterbacks. Jalen has changed his style of play for the sake of the betterment of this team winning. So much to the point where people don’t think he should even be in the NFL, and he did this all for the sake of winning. Then let’s look at the other guy who was mad the Eagles were winning without him. Who refused to run successful plays because the other guy won with them. Refused to change his style of play despite it being a detriment to his own body and to the team. I wonder if Wentz gets it yet. While he was watching his backup do all of the things he refused to do in order to win a Super Bowl with the team that he was supposed to run for the next decade all because he refused to change. Maybe the reason why Carson avoided Jalen, because he still doesn’t get it and that why he wasn’t successful. 

That's why his primary role is to hold a clipboard now while the other is leading his team to national championships (2 in 3 years).  

[EazyEaglez]

11 minutes ago, time2rock said:

That's why his primary role is to hold a clipboard now while the other is leading his team to national championships (2 in 3 years).  

It’s like none of the teams who let him start had any remorse or reservations about moving on from him. There is clearly something wrong with this player. 

[Lambo]

29 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Maybe the reason why Carson avoided Jalen, because he still doesn’t get it and that why he wasn’t successful. 

Can not really make this statement off that picture.  They could have shook hands after that, he could have been moving that way with his back to Jalen and had no idea he was there.

[beto_eagles]

Carson Wentz might be the best thing that ever happened to us. He led the team to the #1 seed, which eventually became the first Super Bowl. Then he didn't want to be in Philly, was traded and played good enough so the Colts couldn't bench him, but not good enough to make the playoffs. We got this great haul of picks and the rest is history.

All the blessings to Wentz, I'm not a fan of his, but thanks to him we now have 2 SB wins.

[EazyEaglez]

2 minutes ago, Lambo said:

Can not really make this statement off that picture.  They could have shook hands after that, he could have been moving that way with his back to Jalen and had no idea he was there.

Well I did see the video and it definitely looked as if he avoided Jalen. He actually hugged a few other guys. To act like it’s difficult to seek out Jalen in that to congratulate him is nonsense. He chose to walk away.

[Mike030270]

Never really understood the whole butterfly effect with picks people do

[time2rock]

3 minutes ago, beto_eagles said:

Carson Wentz might be the best thing that ever happened to us. He led the team to the #1 seed, which eventually became the first Super Bowl. Then he didn't want to be in Philly, was traded and played good enough so the Colts couldn't bench him, but not good enough to make the playoffs. We got his great haul of picks and the rest is history.

All the blessings to Wentz, I'm not a fan of his, but thanks to him we now have 2 SB wins.

That was really the point of this thread ... what we got for him after dealing him.  That's a crazy haul of talent.  Would you rather have Wentz or Carter, DeJean, Brown, and Smitty? 

 

[VaBeach_Eagle]

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

What a haul!!  When you add up all the picks surrendered in the process to get Wentz and compare that to the players we managed to acquire with the picks we got in return for dealing him (and the picks that came about using the original picks to maneuver on draft day), I think it is safe to say we made out great. 

Come June or July, this image needs to be updated with an image of the Super Bowl LIX ring. 

[Lambo]

25 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well I did see the video and it definitely looked as if he avoided Jalen. He actually hugged a few other guys. To act like it’s difficult to seek out Jalen in that to congratulate him is nonsense. He chose to walk away.

At the end of the day, without the selection of Carson Wentz, the Eagles may not have won either Super Bowl.  He put them in position for the first, and the picks the Eagles acquired for him put them in position to win the second.  Not sure why anyone has to slam the guy at this point.

[gameshowfan91]

1 hour ago, Lambo said:

At the end of the day, without the selection of Carson Wentz, the Eagles may not have won either Super Bowl.  He put them in position for the first, and the picks the Eagles acquired for him put them in position to win the second.  Not sure why anyone has to slam the guy at this point.

Cowboys fans have said Dak Prescott has been the better pick than Carson Wentz, yet all this is why I beg to differ. Dak got Cowboys 0 Super Bowls; not even an NFCCG appearance.

[Portyansky]

5 hours ago, NOTW said:

And both of his backups won Super Bowls. 

And he was on the bench for both 🤣

[kiwinavega]

All of the above is correct, of course. That said, Wentz gave us some great memories and a damn near MVP season. Let's not be ungracious.

[Bwestbrook36]

Of course this thread is just turning into arguing over Wentz..  

[jojodancer]

The funny thing is I thought the Eagles were slow to react in trading him. And Howie still comes up with all that draft capital. This is Hall of Fame type of GM'ing the last few years. I think we are one more acing of an offseason and draft to having a potential dynasty. It could happen anyway. But for good measure, I see this as a crucial offseason for him to do so and sew up his legacy and clinch it.

[EazyEaglez]

4 hours ago, Lambo said:

At the end of the day, without the selection of Carson Wentz, the Eagles may not have won either Super Bowl.  He put them in position for the first, and the picks the Eagles acquired for him put them in position to win the second.  Not sure why anyone has to slam the guy at this point.

Heck without Wentz the eagles don’t get the major haul either so for the Eagles Wentz was a headache and a godsend. This idea that he’s untouchable though is nonsense. Do people not criticize McNabb? How about Vick? Hurts won a Super Bowl from start to finish. Is he untouchable as well? Tell me what excludes Wentz from these players?

[EazyEaglez]

49 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Of course this thread is just turning into arguing over Wentz..  

I’m just observing the guy really hasn’t changed. There’s no mistaking that Wentz being an asset got the Eagles a haul though I would credit Howie Roseman for making all of the right moves. Wentz had an outstanding year in 2017 until he got hurt. He was never the same player afterwards. Not sure why that upsets people though. Many of those people have no problem trashing players and coaches from that season so what’s the big difference? 

[Bwestbrook36]

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’m just observing the guy really hasn’t changed. There’s no mistaking that Wentz being an asset got the Eagles a haul though I would credit Howie Roseman for making all of the right moves. Wentz had an outstanding year in 2017 until he got hurt. He was never the same player afterwards. Not sure why that upsets people though. Many of those people have no problem trashing players and coaches from that season so what’s the big difference? 

At this point im not even convinced he would of been much better even if he didnt get hurt. People are screaming for a pocket passer and yet say wentz couldn't do what he did anymore because of lost mobility. He caught lightning in a bottle like the rest of that team. 

[EazyEaglez]

Just now, Bwestbrook36 said:

At this point im not even convinced he would have been much better even if he didnt get hurt. People are screaming for a pocket passer and yet say wentz couldn't do what he did anymore because of lost mobility. He caught lightning in a bottle like the rest of that team. 

To me he really looked the part and all of the talk of his Wonderlic Score and how he just memorized plays it just seemed like he was that guy. I mean that’s why teams kept trying with him. He had all the intangibles, but couldn’t get it together after the injuries. I credit Howie for finding a way to get something out of Wentz, because he kind of screwed the Eagles over requesting that trade and would only go to Indy. You see for all of the don’t say or write bad things about Wentz talk, he sure did do a lot of messed up crap to the Eagles. 

[Bwestbrook36]

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

To me he really looked the part and all of the talk of his Wonderlic Score and how he just memorized plays it just seemed like he was that guy. I mean that’s why teams kept trying with him. He had all the intangibles, but couldn’t get it together after the injuries. I credit Howie for finding a way to get something out of Wentz, because he kind of screwed the Eagles over requesting that trade and would only go to Indy. You see for all of the don’t say or write bad things about Wentz talk, he sure did do a lot of messed up crap to the Eagles. 

He was plenty mobile enough to play from the pocket. He obviously couldn't do what hurts haters say hurts cant. Dude took forever to read the field took horrible sacks held on to long. None of that requires elite athleticism. He was a head case who couldn't handle the team or the injuries from a mental side of things

[EazyEaglez]

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

He was plenty mobile enough to play from the pocket. He obviously couldn't do what hurts haters say hurts cant. Dude took forever to read the field took horrible sacks held on to long. None of that requires elite athleticism. He was a head case who couldn't handle the team or the injuries from a mental side of things

It just didn’t seem like that in 16-17. I don’t recall him taking bad sacks until his body failed him. Most of that seemed to be due to him always trying to make the big play. Losing Deflip and getting hurt kind of killed his career. 

[Bwestbrook36]

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

It just didn’t seem like that in 16-17. I don’t recall him taking bad sacks until his body failed him. Most of that seemed to be due to him always trying to make the big play. Losing Deflip and getting hurt kind of killed his career. 

I was a huge Wentz homer, wanted him over Foles that he was going to turn us into a dynasty.... He just didn't have it upstairs when things were not going his way. Apparently, that was his same attitude at his other 2 stops as well. 

[EagleJoe8]

8 hours ago, time2rock said:

What a haul!!  When you add up all the picks surrendered in the process to get Wentz and compare that to the players we managed to acquire with the picks we got in return for dealing him (and the picks that came about using the original picks to maneuver on draft day), I think it is safe to say we made out great. 

It's actually really cool that Wentz came to watch them all win a Super Bowl in person.