Uscg-green Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I count winning in big games more than stats so I have: 1. Hurts 2. Foles 3. Cunningham I know Pukes McNabb had more big wins but he embarrassed himself in the SB along with a 1-4 NFCCG record. 3
SkippyX Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I have the same list as you. Winning beats everything else. Not torpedoing your own team 5 times is a big one for me. The best thing about McNabb was Andy knowing trading him in the division would be harmless. Hurts, Foles, and Randall combined to throw 10 interceptions in 19 playoff starts that were not played in an actual fog. 2 of those 10 bounced off of Alshon Fat Rings 5 had 17 picks in 16 playoff games. The other 3 lost a combined total of 3 fumbles. McNabb lost 8 McNabb 1.56 turnovers per playoff game Cunningham, Foles, Hurts combined (no fog) 0.68 turnovers per game (0.8 if you count the fog bowl) Anyone know what the number 1 indicator of which team will win a playoff game is? 2
Uscg-green Posted February 13 Author Posted February 13 26 minutes ago, SkippyX said: I have the same list as you. Winning beats everything else. Not torpedoing your own team 5 times is a big one for me. The best thing about McNabb was Andy knowing trading him in the division would be harmless. Hurts, Foles, and Randall combined to throw 10 interceptions in 19 playoff starts that were not played in an actual fog. 2 of those 10 bounced off of Alshon Fat Rings 5 had 17 picks in 16 playoff games. The other 3 lost a combined total of 3 fumbles. McNabb lost 8 McNabb 1.56 turnovers per playoff game Cunningham, Foles, Hurts combined (no fog) 0.68 turnovers per game (0.8 if you count the fog bowl) Anyone know what the number 1 indicator of which team will win a playoff game is? Exactly. 1-4 in NFCCG is not a good resume bullet. 1
Utebird Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Uscg-green said: I count winning in big games more than stats so I have: 1. Hurts 2. Foles 3. Cunningham I know Pukes McNabb had more big wins but he embarrassed himself in the SB and I've always loved Randall. Yup Im an Eagles fan because of Cunningham, if the list was whose the eagles most talented qb ever Id easily put Cunningham at the top, but a lot more goes into being the best than just talent Mcnabb had a lot of talent as well but every season hed show up fatter than he was the year before, and like you mentioned he was a choker in big games, theres no way eagles had any business losing that 2004 super bowl, sure the Pats were good but that eagles team was stacked and mcnabb played like he was still hungover Foles belongs on the list above guys like mcnabb, Jaws, because Foles didnt choke, he went out and outdueled the goat and brought philly its first Lombardi. Any body who doesnt have Hurts as their number 1 at this point are just haters. 1
Utebird Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Uscg-green said: Exactly. 1-4 in NFCCG is not a good resume bullet. Yup his best NFCCG was actually his last against Arizona, but the D choked that game and let him and everyone down 1
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 For me Hurts is now #1. What he’s done in his Eagles career so far (even before this Super Bowl winBowl) had him top 3 in my opinion and the win now puts him at the very top. I wasn’t an NFL fan when McNabb nor Cunningham were our QB but based on what I’ve seen of watching older Eagles games. And what I’ve gleaned from you guys Id put Cunningham at #2 and then McNabb at #3. Foles has a special place in our hearts for what he did but he had a weird career. He had the 27-2 year, the Super Bowl play off year and then weirdly the year after he almost saved the season again… But I just don’t think there’s quite enough to put him top 3. 1
ManchesterEagle Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 Hurts 2 McNabb 3 Foles 4 Cunningham I don’t agree that Hurts should definitely be 1 (although he is mine and as everyone knows I am a Hurts supporter). He should objectively be above Foles though (Super Bowl plus far more regular season success) McNabb still deserves to be in the conversation for me. Sustained success and 9 playoff wins. 1
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said: I don’t agree that Hurts should definitely be 1 (although he is mine and as everyone knows I am a Hurts supporter) I think the Super Bowl win and regular season success has him at the top without question. Though I do take your point and I mean the other guys on the list still had a lot of relative success. 1
Cochis_Calhoun Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 hours ago, Utebird said: Yup Im an Eagles fan because of Cunningham, if the list was whose the eagles most talented qb ever Id easily put Cunningham at the top, but a lot more goes into being the best than just talent Mcnabb had a lot of talent as well but every season hed show up fatter than he was the year before, and like you mentioned he was a choker in big games, theres no way eagles had any business losing that 2004 super bowl, sure the Pats were good but that eagles team was stacked and mcnabb played like he was still hungover Foles belongs on the list above guys like mcnabb, Jaws, because Foles didnt choke, he went out and outdueled the goat and brought philly its first Lombardi. Any body who doesnt have Hurts as their number 1 at this point are just haters. That was always my issue with McNabb, he did play with some crap rosters, but equally after 2004 he never looked like he was taking it seriously or putting the hard yards in to keep himself in shape, he always looked a bit doughy. 1
Portyansky Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Hurts, McNabb, Foles. Even with the SB was hard to put Hurts in front of #5. You guys forget who #5 had to work with? 1
MF POON Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1. Hurts 2. McNabb 3. Cunningham 4. Foles IF Foles had been allowed to play here for his career, I'm sure he'd be up there as 2, or 1 (assuming he still wins one SB as the QB). 1
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Just now, MF POON said: 1. Hurts 2. McNabb 3. Cunningham 4. Foles IF Foles had been allowed to play here for his career, I'm sure he'd be up there as 2, or 1 (assuming he still wins one SB as the QB). I heard Spike Eskin say the other day (and I agreed with him) Foles almost needs a category of his own. He’s had such a weird and streaky career with us. 1
MF POON Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I heard Spike Eskin say the other day (and I agreed with him) Foles almost needs a category of his own. He’s had such a weird and streaky career with us. He does. He was shipped out of here by Chip unfairly and that really derailed his career. People will point to his failures on each team he was on, but every QB that played for those teams at the time failed (excluding KC as he was a backup there). I really think he was a good fit for us, and it's a shame we never got to see his (as well as Shady, Djax, Maclin) career play out as an Eagle. 1
Uscg-green Posted February 13 Author Posted February 13 McNabb had a chance to be our best. But a total record of 1-5 after the divisional round with no ring with one of the best coaches ever. Meh, you don't get a statue for that
MF POON Posted February 13 Posted February 13 16 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: McNabb had a chance to be our best. But a total record of 1-5 after the divisional round with no ring with one of the best coaches ever. Meh, you don't get a statue for that He's only being considered as one of the best coaches ever AFTER Mahomes. Reid was always considered a good coach with huge flaws. I remember many of us raging over poor clock management and lack of a hurry up offense. How many times did we yell about the lack of run plays with Reid? The "we're fine there" and "square peg, round hole" criticism? There's too much to type about why the team lost all those championship games. Yes McNabb had poor play in a couple, but Reid's poor coaching imo was the biggest factor. 2
Lambo Posted February 13 Posted February 13 15 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I heard Spike Eskin say the other day (and I agreed with him) Foles almost needs a category of his own. He’s had such a weird and streaky career with us. Agreed. He did what no one before him had done. A category of his own - Foles - Also threw more TD's across 10 starts ( 27 ) than Jalen has in any season ( 23 ) 1. McNabb 2. Hurts 3. Randall
Lambo Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, MF POON said: He's only being considered as one of the best coaches ever AFTER Mahomes. Reid was always considered a good coach with huge flaws. I remember many of us raging over poor clock management and lack of a hurry up offense. How many times did we yell about the lack run plays with Reid? The "we're fine there" and "square peg, round hole" criticism? There's too much to type about why the team lost all those championship games. Yes McNabb had poor play in a couple, but Reid's poor coaching imo was the biggest factor. And the lack of talent at WR. Jalen Hurts got what all the other QB's did not, the best offensive group the Eagles have ever assembled. 1
Uscg-green Posted February 13 Author Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, Lambo said: And the lack of talent at WR. Jalen Hurts got what all the other QB's did not, the best offensive group the Eagles have ever assembled. Foles got a pretty good offense too. 1
Lambo Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, Uscg-green said: Foles got a pretty good offense too. AJ > Jeffrey Smitty > Torrey Smith Barkley >>>> Blount/Ajayi Goedert - Ertz - I will call this a wash. Goedert is way better after the catch, but Ertz was a better route runner. Mailata > Vatai Dickerson > Wisniewski Jurgens < Kelce Becton < Brooks Lane 2017 > Lane 2024 It was good in 2017, but the 2024 team is pretty much better across the board.
Uscg-green Posted February 13 Author Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, Lambo said: AJ > Jeffrey Smitty > Torrey Smith Barkley >>>> Blount/Ajayi Goedert - Ertz - I will call this a wash. Goedert is way better after the catch, but Ertz was a better route runner. Mailata > Vatai Dickerson > Wisniewski Jurgens < Kelce Becton < Brooks Lane 2017 > Lane 2024 It was good in 2017, but the 2024 team is pretty much better across the board. I didn't say it was as good but it was good in it's own right.. 3
Erie Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Hurts McNabb Vick Cunningham Foles won the big one, but didn't play enough games to make the list.
Uscg-green Posted February 13 Author Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, Erie said: Hurts McNabb Vick Cunningham Foles won the big one, but didn't play enough games to make the list. That playoff run was complete dominance. Something we had never seen before. He outgunned the GOAT who threw for 500 yards in his own right. I mean he played better than even Hurts on that run. I'll take beating the goat for a ring over all of McNabbs wins any day of the week. He's got a statue for a reason lol 1
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 12 minutes ago, MF POON said: He does. He was shipped out of here by Chip unfairly and that really derailed his career. People will point to his failures on each team he was on, but every QB that played for those teams at the time failed (excluding KC as he was a backup there). I really think he was a good fit for us, and it's a shame we never got to see his (as well as Shady, Djax, Maclin) career play out as an Eagle. I think yeah it probably was unfair because he wasn’t Chip’s guy and I think Chip wanted someone who could be a little mobile? That said I was never a Foles guy and I never thought what he did in the 27-2 season nor the Super Bowl run was sustainable for him. Sadly we will never know and it’s nothing more than a fun debate we can all have.
MF POON Posted February 13 Posted February 13 34 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: That playoff run was complete dominance. Something we had never seen before. He outgunned the GOAT who threw for 500 yards in his own right. I mean he played better than even Hurts on that run. I'll take beating the goat for a ring over all of McNabbs wins any day of the week. He's got a statue for a reason lol To be fair, that one win pretty much topped every Eagles QB's big wins until this past Sunday. He mainly got that statue because it was our first SB. He doesn't get that if it's our 2nd or 3rd. 1
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