February 17Feb 17 Hurts Mcnabb Foles I never got to see Cunningham play. Ive only been following since 2001.
February 17Feb 17 On 2/13/2025 at 8:30 AM, Lambo said: AJ > Jeffrey Smitty > Torrey Smith Barkley >>>> Blount/Ajayi Goedert - Ertz - I will call this a wash. Goedert is way better after the catch, but Ertz was a better route runner. Mailata > Vatai Dickerson > Wisniewski Jurgens < Kelce Becton < Brooks Lane 2017 > Lane 2024 It was good in 2017, but the 2024 team is pretty much better across the board. Including o-line, our madden rating on offense for 2017 was probably like an 84. This years O would probably be like a 93
February 17Feb 17 1 hour ago, Agent23 said: Including o-line, our madden rating on offense for 2017 was probably like an 84. This years O would probably be like a 93 and our QB would probably have a higher rating this season too
February 18Feb 18 Author On 2/16/2025 at 11:09 AM, BayAreaLennie said: Mine are: 1) Cunningham 2) McNabb 3) Hurts Hurts will undoubtedly end up number 1 -- to climb to 3rd after just four seasons starting is pretty amazing. Foles won 25 games as an Eagles starter, including playoffs. I love the guy for winning our first SB, but come on, get serious. Hurts has taken the Eagles to more SBs than your top 2 combined. In only 4 years. Has more rings than those two combined as well. His best games in his career have been NFCCG and SBs. McNabb literally puked away his one SB and choked to inferior talent in NFCCGs where he is 1-4
February 18Feb 18 23 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: Hurts has taken the Eagles to more SBs than your top 2 combined. In only 4 years. Has more rings than those two combined as well. His best games in his career have been NFCCG and SBs. McNabb literally puked away his one SB and choked to inferior talent in NFCCGs where he is 1-4 Super Bowl appearances and wins is not my sole criterion (though I agree it is very important). E.g., I would not rank Troy Aikman or Eli Manning in the top 50 all time QBs even though they won 3 and 2 SBs, respectively. As Nick Sirianni would say, "you can't be great without the greatness of others", and Hurts has simply had a much better supporting cast during his tenure. Randall was throwing to mostly mediocre receivers with mediocre running backs to take pressure off him and a mediocre offensive line to protect him, but managed to change the position of QB and the perception of the Eagles franchise forever. Easily the best rosters the Eagles had during Randall's tenure were the 1991 and 1993 teams, and Randall suffered early season-ending injuries both years. Had he not gotten injured those years, he might well have hoisted a Lombardi trophy -- or two. McNabb's supporting cast was pretty good, and consequently he had more overall and playoff success than Randall, but it was still nowhere near as good as the cast Hurts has had. Randall was 63-43-1 (in an era they played less games), McNabb was 92-49-1 and Hurts is now 46-20. Another season or two of success, and Hurts will undoubtedly top my list, but I'll stick with my list for now.
February 20Feb 20 On 2/18/2025 at 11:24 PM, BayAreaLennie said: Super Bowl appearances and wins is not my sole criterion (though I agree it is very important). E.g., I would not rank Troy Aikman or Eli Manning in the top 50 all time QBs even though they won 3 and 2 SBs, respectively. As Nick Sirianni would say, "you can't be great without the greatness of others", and Hurts has simply had a much better supporting cast during his tenure. Randall was throwing to mostly mediocre receivers with mediocre running backs to take pressure off him and a mediocre offensive line to protect him, but managed to change the position of QB and the perception of the Eagles franchise forever. Easily the best rosters the Eagles had during Randall's tenure were the 1991 and 1993 teams, and Randall suffered early season-ending injuries both years. Had he not gotten injured those years, he might well have hoisted a Lombardi trophy -- or two. McNabb's supporting cast was pretty good, and consequently he had more overall and playoff success than Randall, but it was still nowhere near as good as the cast Hurts has had. Randall was 63-43-1 (in an era they played less games), McNabb was 92-49-1 and Hurts is now 46-20. Another season or two of success, and Hurts will undoubtedly top my list, but I'll stick with my list for now. I agree with you about Eli. But even though he was a Cowboy, Aikman was a great QB. He’s a good comparison with Hurts because he didn’t put up big numbers, mostly because his team was dominating by the 4th and saved his best performances for the playoffs. I loved Randall (he was a big part of me supporting the Eagles as a young kid in the UK) and think he deserved better coaching. But if you think his skill weapons were mediocre, you don’t know football. Fred Barnett, Calvin Williams. Keith Jackson and Keith Byars were all great weapons. Cunningham only ever won one playoff game. Hurts is the first proper "running QB” to win a Super Bowl. I respect McNabb and if you want to rank him above Hurts, that’s okay. But do you think Hurts would have lost that Super against the Pats in 2004?
February 21Feb 21 On 2/17/2025 at 6:40 PM, Agent23 said: Including o-line, our madden rating on offense for 2017 was probably like an 84. This years O would probably be like a 93 I mean that’s just not true. The 2017 offense was better ranked. It also turned Wentz and Foles into superstars, when both had been pretty mediocre for most of the rest of their career.
February 21Feb 21 8 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said: I mean that’s just not true. The 2017 offense was better ranked. It also turned Wentz and Foles into superstars, when both had been pretty mediocre for most of the rest of their career. Where would the 2017 offensive supporting cast be better? O-Line - not with Big V as LT WR - lol RB - lmao TE - maybe?
February 21Feb 21 23 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said: Where would the 2017 offensive supporting cast be better? O-Line - not with Big V as LT WR - lol RB - lmao TE - maybe? O-Line - just as good and to be honest probably better with Peters who played most of the year. Big V was great in the playoffs. Kept Foles clean. LG - Dickerson better than Wisneski (although he had a good year. C - Prime Kelce is clearly better than Jurgens RG - Brandon Brooks was a regular pro bowler - better than Becton. RT - Prime Johnson better than current Johnson (although there isn’t much in it.) WR - yes better this year, but 2017 had more depth. Jeffery and Agholor were both very good that year. RB - Barkley clearly the best, but 2017 had a deep pool with Blount and Ajayi, both number 1 RBs and Clement a dangerous 3. They put up over 250 combined yards in the Super Bowl. TE - Ertz put up over 800 yard and 8 TDs in 14 games. Goedert is good, but he’s not prime Ertz. Eagles had Celek and Burton who scored 6 TDs between them as well. Clear advantage to 2017 Eagles.
February 21Feb 21 13 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said: O-Line - just as good and to be honest probably better with Peters who played most of the year. Big V was great in the playoffs. Kept Foles clean. LG - Dickerson better than Wisneski (although he had a good year. C - Prime Kelce is clearly better than Jurgens RG - Brandon Brooks was a regular pro bowler - better than Becton. RT - Prime Johnson better than current Johnson (although there isn’t much in it.) WR - yes better this year, but 2017 had more depth. Jeffery and Agholor were both very good that year. RB - Barkley clearly the best, but 2017 had a deep pool with Blount and Ajayi, both number 1 RBs and Clement a dangerous 3. They put up over 250 combined yards in the Super Bowl. TE - Ertz put up over 800 yard and 8 TDs in 14 games. Goedert is good, but he’s not prime Ertz. Eagles had Celek and Burton who scored 6 TDs between them as well. Clear advantage to 2017 Eagles. that was a lot to type out to be wrong
February 21Feb 21 23 minutes ago, Agent23 said: that was a lot to type out to be wrong Perhaps I should just make up some Madden stats and win the argument that way.
February 21Feb 21 13 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said: O-Line - just as good and to be honest probably better with Peters who played most of the year. Big V was great in the playoffs. Kept Foles clean. LG - Dickerson better than Wisneski (although he had a good year. C - Prime Kelce is clearly better than Jurgens RG - Brandon Brooks was a regular pro bowler - better than Becton. RT - Prime Johnson better than current Johnson (although there isn’t much in it.) WR - yes better this year, but 2017 had more depth. Jeffery and Agholor were both very good that year. RB - Barkley clearly the best, but 2017 had a deep pool with Blount and Ajayi, both number 1 RBs and Clement a dangerous 3. They put up over 250 combined yards in the Super Bowl. TE - Ertz put up over 800 yard and 8 TDs in 14 games. Goedert is good, but he’s not prime Ertz. Eagles had Celek and Burton who scored 6 TDs between them as well. Clear advantage to 2017 Eagles. I think Jeffery was better than he is given credit for on here, I just think Doug's offense was death to WR's, but in a top 3 WR's of AJ, Devonta and Alshon, if you're saying you'd have Alshon anywhere other than #3 playing for us, I'm calling nonsense.
February 21Feb 21 25 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: I think Jeffery was better than he is given credit for on here, I just think Doug's offense was death to WR's, but in a top 3 WR's of AJ, Devonta and Alshon, if you're saying you'd have Alshon anywhere other than #3 playing for us, I'm calling nonsense. Agreed on Doug’s offense. In terms of where I would have Jeffery, if you are basing it purely on 2017 Eagles then yes he would have to be a 3 behind AJ and Smith, with the slight caveat of being held back in Doug’s offense. Prime AJ with the Bears though was probably slightly better than Smith. There is no doubt that the 2024 offense has more superstars in terms of weapons. But I think people forget how deep and effective that 2017 offense was. It’s no coincidence that both Wentz and Foles looked like superstars that season and then never reached those heights again.
February 22Feb 22 On 2/20/2025 at 3:21 PM, ManchesterEagle said: But if you think his skill weapons were mediocre, you don’t know football. Fred Barnett, Calvin Williams. Keith Jackson and Keith Byars were all great weapons. Yawwwwn. Those guys were ... fine. Deserving of being on NFL rosters and starting. But great weapons? Nahhhh. The best argument is for Jackson, and he was certainly very good at one time, but the rest of those guys were pretty ordinary.
February 22Feb 22 9 hours ago, BayAreaLennie said: Yawwwwn. Those guys were ... fine. Deserving of being on NFL rosters and starting. But great weapons? Nahhhh. The best argument is for Jackson, and he was certainly very good at one time, but the rest of those guys were pretty ordinary. Jackson was a 3 time first team all pro. So not remotely mediocre. Barnett was a top 10 WR in the league. Byars caught a load of balls. Williams was a good number 2. He had Herschel Walker and Heath Sherman at running back. These guys were not mediocre - you got that wrong. Look at McNabb’s early wide receivers for mediocre. The O-line was bad though and the coaching never took advantage of the immense talent on that team from 1988-1992. Randall sadly didn’t have his best year until much later with the Vikings. He was great, but could have been so much better.
February 23Feb 23 On 2/22/2025 at 8:36 AM, ManchesterEagle said: Jackson was a 3 time first team all pro. So not remotely mediocre. Barnett was a top 10 WR in the league. Byars caught a load of balls. Williams was a good number 2. He had Herschel Walker and Heath Sherman at running back. These guys were not mediocre - you got that wrong. Look at McNabb’s early wide receivers for mediocre. The O-line was bad though and the coaching never took advantage of the immense talent on that team from 1988-1992. Randall sadly didn’t have his best year until much later with the Vikings. He was great, but could have been so much better. Since Byars never really stood out as a runner in the NFL (mostly due to terrible blocking), many fans overlook where he was special. Newer fans that never watched him play, look at rushing stats and give him no thought. He was a legitimate threat as a receiver and a very good blocker. If he had been a couple inches taller, he probably would have played TE in college and had a HOF career in the NFL as a TE. He was that good. To put things in perspective, Brian Westbrook playing in a WCO was considered a "great receiver" that "could line up at WR" and he finished his career with 442 receptions for 3940 receiving yards. Keith Byars had 610 receptions for 5661 yards. Through 7 seasons so far, Goedert has 349 for 4085. Byars also played, BTW, in an era that fans say DBs (and LBs) were "allowed to play" ---- which is why we "can't compare" those old-timey HOF QBs' statistics to today's stat-padders. I said it earlier and I'll say it again. Byars had freakish hands --- IMO, better hands than Cris Carter.
February 23Feb 23 To Eagles fans: 1. Hurts 2. Foles 3. Cunningham Outside of Philly: 1. Hurts 2. Mcnabb 3t. Cunningham/Foles
March 6Mar 6 For those of you putting McNabb at the top of your list. Comparing the first 5 years of their careers:
March 6Mar 6 McNabb was/is a chump. This is evident in his awful borderline useless play in DC and Minnesota while still in his mid 30s. (that's 40+ in fat rings 5 years) He was one of the great choke artists in NFL history (turnover rate skyrocketed the deeper the playoffs went) He put the ball into the chest of a Packers DB AFTER 4th and 26th (he missed badly inside on a Pinkston end zone corner pass) The game is on YouTube. Who does that? He just embarrasses himself publicly post-career (multiple DUIs, sexual harassment, going on ESPN radio air after 28-3 talking about bowel movements and saying Brady should retire) You take Foles, Vick, Hurts, and maybe even Garcia or Wentz and the vastly superior Eagles (killed both teams earlier) beat AZ in the NFCCG and Pittsburgh in the bowl. (they sacked Ben 8 times in Philly) Matt Flynn would have given the Eagles a chance vs AZ. McNabb did not. It was obvious that Andy could win regular season games with Garcia, AJ Feely, and even Koy in a pinch. They needed #5 to be a good QB in the playoffs and he was 1 time out of the 6 biggest games of his life. McNabb is the top ranked Eagles QB for national media clowns who know nothing about Philly or the Eagles.
March 6Mar 6 On 2/13/2025 at 1:56 AM, Utebird said: Mcnabb had a lot of talent as well but every season hed show up fatter than he was the year before This made me think of the annual Spadaro piece about how McNabb put on 10-15 pounds of muscle every offseason.
March 6Mar 6 Foles did not play many games in Philly but he played about 13 must win games Chicago and Dallas in 2013 to win the division. New Orleans WC Giants and Raiders in 2017 (to clinch homefield) 2017 Playoffs last 3 in 2018 to go from 6-7 to 9-7 Chicago and New Orleans playoff games. He went 11-2 and the 2 losses had HUGE game-altering drops (Riley Cooper and Alshon Jefferey) He had 26 TDs to 9 picks in those 13 games. 2 of those 9 picks literally bounced off of Alshon. McNabb had the playoffs, the Silver Linings Playbook game, and the back to back humiliations vs Dallas to end his career (the week 17 game would have been a bye instead of having to face Dallas) If I missed a couple homefield clinchers, let me know. He went 10-8 in those games and almost always it was on him. (fumble vs STL, picks in the SB, Ronde!, etc) He had 26 TDs and 17 picks in those 18 games. The shoelaces QB tackle of a wide open Hank Baskett in the 2008 NFCCG is the Riley Cooper Drop, but on the QB instead of the WR. It might be the worst play in Eagles history if not for Bruschi and pick-do-over-pick and Ronde! Seriously, you can't make a top 10 worst plays in Eagles history without 4 to 5 McNabb plays. (cripple Blaine? chasing Jerivicius, Wally Henry punt drop, Jaws SB pick 6, and McNabb-fest all the bad plays you can stomach!) (maybe Kelvin Martin's punt return dooming that 1991 team?)
March 6Mar 6 9 minutes ago, Kz! said: This made me think of the annual Spadaro piece about how McNabb put on 10-15 pounds of muscle every offseason. He grew fat rings like a tree grows rings.
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