xzmattzx Posted February 18 Posted February 18 Do you think Howie Roseman is guaranteed to make the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton? He has been the GM for two Super Bowl Winners, and a third conference championship. If you think he will make the Hall of Fame based on his GM career so far, how long do you think it will take for him to get in?
brkmsn Posted February 18 Posted February 18 I don't want to derail the discussion, but I always feel like we vocally elevate too many people into the HOF prematurely. I kind of cringe now when people in a broadcast just casually refer to a current player as a HOFer as if it already happened or call someone a "future HOFer" as if the process isn't necessary. IMO, with Howie it's way too early to even be discussing this.
VaBeach_Eagle Posted February 18 Posted February 18 Looking at some of the GMs in the Hall who weren't also coaches or owners: Bobby Beathard Bill Polian Ron Wolf George Young If Howie doesn't currently measure up to them, I think he's well down that path with two rings and the job he's done throughout his career with the Eagles. Would he get inducted in 5 years if he retired today? Possibly. To expand the topic to others though, if Lane and BG retired today, would they have serious consideration in 5 years? Is Mialata on the right path, if he keeps improving and moving in the direction that he's on now, would he get consideration? Of course it's way too early to think seriously about it for him, he has a long way to go but it would be an awesome story if he were to make it one day. I'm more thinking about those who've already finished their careers. Randall and Seth, for instance. Will McNabb ever get a realistic sniff of the hall? I think Seth probably has a better chance than Randall or McNabb, but I don't know that he'll ever get the knock.
xzmattzx Posted February 19 Author Posted February 19 I did not want to mention how long it would take, although I think within 5-7 years of becoming eligible would be reasonable for a lock or guarantee. I would say waiting 24 years like Eric Allen is not a lock or guarantee.
xzmattzx Posted February 19 Author Posted February 19 7 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: Looking at some of the GMs in the Hall who weren't also coaches or owners: Bobby Beathard Bill Polian Ron Wolf George Young If Howie doesn't currently measure up to them, I think he's well down that path with two rings and the job he's done throughout his career with the Eagles. Would he get inducted in 5 years if he retired today? Possibly. To expand the topic to others though, if Lane and BG retired today, would they have serious consideration in 5 years? Is Mialata on the right path, if he keeps improving and moving in the direction that he's on now, would he get consideration? Of course it's way too early to think seriously about it for him, he has a long way to go but it would be an awesome story if he were to make it one day. I'm more thinking about those who've already finished their careers. Randall and Seth, for instance. Will McNabb ever get a realistic sniff of the hall? I think Seth probably has a better chance than Randall or McNabb, but I don't know that he'll ever get the knock. Roseman seems to be on par with these guys as GMs aleady: Beathard (last GM in 2000, class of 2018): 2 Super Bowl wins with the Redskins, and the lone Super Bowl appearance for the Chargers Polian (last GM in 2009, class of 2015): the first 3 Super Bowl appearances with the Bills, and 1-1 in Super Bowls with the Colts (likely a better resume than Roseman) Wolf (last GM in 2000, class of 2015) : 1-1 in Super Bowls with the Packers Young (last GM in 2001, class of 2020) : 2-0 in Super Bowls with the Giants These are GM credentials only. Perhaps Roseman won't get voted in within 5-7 years of being inducted, but it would seem is he in track to be inducted within 20 years of his GM career.
SB52 Posted February 19 Posted February 19 He was one of the original contract experts. This, always focusing on the correct positions, and the trades gave him the resume. The second Super Bowl got him into the HOF. Better Question: Is he the best of all time? I’d say it’s between Howie and Gil Brandt.
Mike030270 Posted February 19 Posted February 19 Was going to say no but Bill Polian got in with 1 SB
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted February 19 Posted February 19 I’m not sure I’d yet say a lock but I mean he is pretty damn close right? Another NFCCG might be enough to lock it up.
CouchKing Posted February 20 Posted February 20 Howie prob needs to be hit in the head with 2 or 3 more beer cans while riding in Eagles Valentine's Day Parades.
TEW Posted February 20 Posted February 20 He’s the only GM in the salary cap era to win a Super Bowl with 2 different QBs and HCs. He’s a lock in my opinion. 1 1
Mortimer Posted February 20 Posted February 20 If the Hall of Fame was actually about fame, then he was a lock even before the Superbowl. Howie's name is frequently brought up by fans on other team's message boards.
Ace Nova Posted February 20 Posted February 20 It’s still early but 4-5 more years of highly competitive teams under his tenure and he’s first ballot, imo.
TEW Posted February 20 Posted February 20 21 minutes ago, Mortimer said: If the Hall of Fame was actually about fame, then he was a lock even before the Superbowl. Howie's name is frequently brought up by fans on other team's message boards. I think name recognition plays a big part. Also, Howie’s style will help him. He’s known as a wheeler and dealer. It’s one thing to be the type of boring GM who sits at their draft picks and just takes good players every year. It’s not exciting even if it’s effective. It’s another when you’re known as the guy who moves up and down the draft, flips Bradford and Wentz for first round picks, trades for AJ Brown, signs Barkley for a historic Super Bowl run, led the recruitment of some Australian guy named Jordan Mailata, and revolutionized the use of void years to minimize the percentage of cap space a contract takes up each year. Howie is by far the most dynamic GM of the last 25 years. 1 1
PoconoDon Posted February 23 Posted February 23 He's got a lot of tread left on his tires. If, until the end of his career, he keeps doing what he's been doing lately, then yes, of course he'll get in. That vote is going to happen in about 20 years from now if not longer.
EagleJoe8 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Winning a 2nd Super Bowl, while having a 3rd appearance might be enough to put him in now, but just to play Devil's Advocate a bit... Howie's career has had a weird dynamic in the sense that if you remove his Super Bowl seasons, Howie led teams only have a singular playoff win, which was thanks to a very fortunate Double Doink. Many of Howie's seasons have either missed the playoffs, or gone one and done. For a long time, there was a lot of disagreement on whether or not Eli should get in, with nay sayers saying despite the 2 Super Bowl wins, he had no playoff success outside those 2 seasons. Now that Howie has a 2nd win, will the fact that he has the 3rd appearance be enough to tip the scales in his favor? Possibly, but I think to be sure, he should just go ahead and win a 3rd Super Bowl to leave no doubt. 1
Bwestbrook36 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 hour ago, PoconoDon said: He's got a lot of tread left on his tires. If, until the end of his career, he keeps doing what he's been doing lately, then yes, of course he'll get in. That vote is going to happen in about 20 years from now if not longer. Dude isnt even 50 yet he will get another championship or at least get there again
Devaster Posted February 23 Posted February 23 On top of the team and post-season success, I think his biggest contributions have been the contract architecture and how he has contributed to that side of the NFL. The way he structures contracts is what allows a team to be even more competitive and keep big names together longer.
Hawkeye Posted February 24 Posted February 24 He already has his own cult - a rarity for an executive: https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-howie-roseman-signing-dynasty-sports-20250224.html
VaBeach_Eagle Posted February 26 Posted February 26 On 2/24/2025 at 12:31 PM, Hawkeye said: He already has his own cult - a rarity for an executive: https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-howie-roseman-signing-dynasty-sports-20250224.html If you can't read that link: https://web.archive.org/web/20250226180845/https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-howie-roseman-signing-dynasty-sports-20250224.html
Hawkeye Posted February 26 Posted February 26 3 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: If you can't read that link: https://web.archive.org/web/20250226180845/https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-howie-roseman-signing-dynasty-sports-20250224.html Thanks @VaBeach_Eagle. I didn't realize it was behind a paywall. 1
VaBeach_Eagle Posted February 26 Posted February 26 3 minutes ago, Hawkeye said: Thanks @VaBeach_Eagle. I didn't realize it was behind a paywall. A lot of times, archiving it will get around that so anytime I have that come up, I archive the article. It doesn't work 100% of the time, but a good portion of the time. 1
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