2 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

 3-14 record next year. 
 

Saquon runs for 567 yards for the season and Hurts averages 48 passing yards a game. 

Patullo is so overwhelmed calling plays the team kneels in victory formation the first drive of every game instead of the last 

 

All italian coaching

Fangio siri patullo

4 hours ago, Procus said:

What's the alternative?

I let them know multiple times that I was available. 

I would have preferred an outside option. But I don’t think we are doomed to repeat 2023. The D and DC was awful that year. Plus I do believe in poor seasons for the Super Bowl loser after the loss (dynasty teams apart).

Let’s see what he has. I do think they won’t be able to pound Saquon as much as they did last year. Get the other RBs involved and let Hurts air it out a little more whilst retaining balance. 

32 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I would have preferred an outside option.

I was really hoping for Frank to come back, but I had no expectation of that happening. 

1 hour ago, EagleMatt said:

All italian coaching

Fangio siri patullo

You forgot Big Dom

I'm gonna play the wait and see game. I would have much preferred someone seasoned. But he was already the passing coordinator. Stout is the run coordinator. I guess the main question is, can he call plays? Will it be chess or checkers with him? Bc we all seen how Siri couldn't fix it 2023 bc hes still stuck playing tic tack toe when is comes to calling plays.

7 minutes ago, Portyansky said:

I'm gonna play the wait and see game. I would have much preferred someone seasoned. But he was already the passing coordinator. Stout is the run coordinator. I guess the main question is, can he call plays? Will it be chess or checkers with him? Bc we all seen how Siri couldn't fix it 2023 bc hes still stuck playing tic tack toe when is comes to calling plays.

Yeah read up a bit more.  I get why they wanted continuity and why an experienced coach walking into a place where Stoutland has so much power might be scared off.  But the play calling is a big ?.  Some guys, many guys, just can't do it well

This seems like a rushed decision. 

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Initial reaction is I don’t love it. Feels like when we promote from within it doesn’t go too well.

It sure worked out great when we hired Desai and Patricia from outside and took a high ranked defense (2022) to one of the worst in just 1 season. Meanwhile, Brian Johnson may not have impressed anybody, but we were still a top 10 offense. 

I don't understand some of the perceptions that some fans have. 

BTW, Fangio worked as a consultant with us in 2022, so that was similar to a "promote within" when he asked to leave Miami to come here for this season. 

23 minutes ago, MagicMoment said:

This seems like a rushed decision. 

Yeah ... they probably just met the guy today.

4 hours ago, Erie said:

The truth: None of us know enough to have an opinion that matters. 

I don't think he does either

7 hours ago, Procus said:

What's the alternative?

Darrell Bevell, but outside of him, mostly people who would get poached anyway.

10 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Darrell Bevell, but outside of him, mostly people who would get poached anyway.

So nobody. 

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

So nobody. 

Bevell would have been an okay fit, he was the OC during Russ's early career, when they were a pretty run heavy team with Lynch. Russ and Jalen are both on the shorter side, so a lot of the things that helped Russ could have been useful to Jalen as well. Plus, being from a run heavy history would work well for Saquon and for ensuring we didn't abandon the run suddenly now that Moore is gone. My concern would have been play design more than calling the offense.

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Bevell would have been an okay fit, he was the OC during Russ's early career, when they were a pretty run heavy team with Lynch. Russ and Jalen are both on the shorter side, so a lot of the things that helped Russ could have been useful to Jalen as well. Plus, being from a run heavy history would work well for Saquon and for ensuring we didn't abandon the run suddenly now that Moore is gone. My concern would have been play design more than calling the offense.

None of those concerns are a concern with Patullo. He knows the players and watched what actually worked here last season and what didn't. 

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

None of those concerns are a concern with Patullo. He knows the players and watched what actually worked here last season and what didn't. 

If people are reasonable and effectively learned their lessons, yes. I just more wanted to contest the idea of Bevell being nothing. He's not nothing, he'd have been okay but I truly think there was NOTHING else.

The people coping with Frank Reich, I'm not saying there's a 0% chance he joined PHI, but I've told people it's very unlikely because he used to be Sirianni's boss, and while Sirianni has a weird (among NFL head coaches) ability to check his ego, a lot of others don't. So that wasn't likely.

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

If people are reasonable and effectively learned their lessons, yes. I just more wanted to contest the idea of Bevell being nothing. He's not nothing, he'd have been okay but I truly think there was NOTHING else.

The people coping with Frank Reich, I'm not saying there's a 0% chance he joined PHI, but I've told people it's very unlikely because he used to be Sirianni's boss, and while Sirianni has a weird (among NFL head coaches) ability to check his ego, a lot of others don't. So that wasn't likely.

I think with the success Nick has had and with a good DC that doesn't seem interested in leaving, we are about to enter the phase we were used to with Andy Reid where people start talking about coaching trees and whatnot. Some guys may not work out, but some will and they'll move on. Eventually we'll recycle some that had success here, but not necessarily as HCs. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Steichen is the next OC.

7 hours ago, brkmsn said:

It sure worked out great when we hired Desai and Patricia from outside and took a high ranked defense (2022) to one of the worst in just 1 season. Meanwhile, Brian Johnson may not have impressed anybody, but we were still a top 10 offense. 

I don't understand some of the perceptions that some fans have. 

BTW, Fangio worked as a consultant with us in 2022, so that was similar to a "promote within" when he asked to leave Miami to come here for this season. 

Completely fair point there. I’m not saying every time a team goes external it works. And as you point out there’s been times recently with this team where it really has not worked out. But for the Desai and Patricia hires there’s been Steichen, Moore, Fangio, Gannon (wow did not expect to say that).

Again I’m not saying this won’t work out. I just worry that there’s no new fresh eyes on this and we know Sirianni isn’t exactly an offensive mind.

9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

It sure worked out great when we hired Desai and Patricia from outside and took a high ranked defense (2022) to one of the worst in just 1 season. Meanwhile, Brian Johnson may not have impressed anybody, but we were still a top 10 offense. 

I don't understand some of the perceptions that some fans have. 

BTW, Fangio worked as a consultant with us in 2022, so that was similar to a "promote within" when he asked to leave Miami to come here for this season. 

Reich, Steichen, Moore, Fangio, Schwartz and Gannon were all outside hires and are largely responsible for us getting to three Superbowls and winning two of them over the last several years.

That doesn't mean this is a bad hire or won't work out, but there's a reason that fans view coaching changes the way that they do.

Not surprised, they just won the Super Bowl. They aren't going to drastically change the offense next year after a record breaking season.  I didn't think Frank was coming because he's living fine off that Carolina check.   So they are going to run it back with the same Formula with some adjustments.   Kevin is a safe in house hire and been with Nick since the beginning.    

9 hours ago, MagicMoment said:

This seems like a rushed decision. 

Actually it's the exact opposite as a "rushed decision".  Because the season ended for most teams weeks before the Eagles, they could pick from a wide open field of candidates.  But the price of winning the Super Bowl, the Eagles season was still ongoing.  By the time the dust settled from the Super Bowl, the Eagles had open chairs but no one left circling cause everyone else was already seated (think anti-musical chairs).  So they did the ONLY thing they could do......let me put it this way, do you go with someone unproven with zero OC experience from OUTSIDE the organization or someone unproven with zero experience from INSIDE?  Seems like you get more consistency and less risk going with Patullo.  Have no clue if it's actually going to work out....but hell, with 2 Super Bowls in the bank....I can be patient and find out.

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I think with the success Nick has had and with a good DC that doesn't seem interested in leaving, we are about to enter the phase we were used to with Andy Reid where people start talking about coaching trees and whatnot. Some guys may not work out, but some will and they'll move on. Eventually we'll recycle some that had success here, but not necessarily as HCs. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Steichen is the next OC.

Yep, I have the same opinion. Some of the guys who get hired won't work out as HCs, so you'll get some of them returning. I think the Eagles want Steichen back bad. Really bad.

17 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It’s a good and fair question. I just know that:

1) It’s generally good to get fresh eyes on the offense to try and introduce new wrinkles. We know Nick isn’t a great offensive guy (he’s a culture builder and people manager).

2) The last couple of times we’ve tried to promote from within it hasn’t gone well. It isn’t to say this can’t work or won’t work I just don’t love it. 

If things go south this upcoming season because the offense takes an obvious step backwards, at least it will be easier to stomach knowing we are coming off a Super Bowl win (vs a loss like the last time).  

But with Hurts now entering his 5th year as a full time starter (and having a better grasp at reading defenses, etc.) and with the amount of talent we have on offense, hopefully we are more successful even if in spite of poorer coaching, if that makes sense.  

This definitely has some 2018 and 2023 vibes to it.  It feels like this is a situation where Sirianni is "flexing" a little bit coming off a SB win and wants his guy promoted and Howie/Lurie are giving it to him as a good faith reward.  That said, I would seriously hope Sirianni is aware enough that he needs more/better ideas brought to his offense.  In 2023, we saw the NFL completely catch up to the Eagles' offense and Siri/Johnson combo had zero counters...I mean, ZERO! 

I don't have much faith in Sirianni alone as an offensive designer and game planner.  Patullo was quoted as saying he and Sirianni see things differently and that's why they work well together.  So, hopefully there is truth in that.