February 20Feb 20 On 2/20/2025 at 1:24 AM, Swoop said: Reich, Steichen, Moore, Fangio, Schwartz and Gannon were all outside hires and are largely responsible for us getting to three Superbowls and winning two of them over the last several years. That doesn't mean this is a bad hire or won't work out, but there's a reason that fans view coaching changes the way that they do. Reich, Steichen, Schwartz and Gannon were all part of new coaching regimes. They were not replacements for a single vacancy on a current or a returning coaching staff. Moore was, but Fangio was with us in 2022 all year, left to be DC in Miami for one season and then asked to return here when we had a DC opening. It was his system on defense we were running in 2022 and 2023 under Desai who was an outside hire. The reason fans view in-staff promotions the way you are alluding is because they have been persuaded by others to believe certain misconceptions or half-truths about our recent coaching changes. If in-house promotions are so bad, why are all the same people that fear them so afraid of losing someone like Christian Parker, Jemal Singleton, Clint Hurtt, or, dare I say, Jeff Stoutland to another team? Yeah we're talking about guys that are mostly position coaches right now, but that is where promotions come from. Some team will promote a qualified guy eventually. Wouldn't the chances that it would work be higher in a situation where that coach remains on the same team? The current perception that fans have about promotions are based on 2023's late season woes. The only promotion in that season was Brian Johnson. I contend that he wasn't awful. The offense slipped a bit, but was still top ten in most categories. The biggest difference on the season was Hurts' INT numbers. What was awful were the additions of Desai and Patricia who were brought in from outside to replace Gannon and Fangio and collectively they failed badly.
February 20Feb 20 I doubt I'd be enthusiastic about anyone at this point. So, from that perspective, I'm okay with the continuity factor and hiring from within.
February 20Feb 20 3 hours ago, time2rock said: But with Hurts now entering his 5th year as a full time starter (and having a better grasp at reading defenses, etc.) and with the amount of talent we have on offense, hopefully we are more successful even if in spite of poorer coaching, if that makes sense. I mean certainly the hope is that Jalen is just going to keep getting more and more settled in the league. He’s going to have more of a say in the offense and he’s going to be able to do more in the offense.
February 20Feb 20 6 hours ago, NYEagle said: Actually it's the exact opposite as a "rushed decision". Because the season ended for most teams weeks before the Eagles, they could pick from a wide open field of candidates. But the price of winning the Super Bowl, the Eagles season was still ongoing. By the time the dust settled from the Super Bowl, the Eagles had open chairs but no one left circling cause everyone else was already seated (think anti-musical chairs). So they did the ONLY thing they could do......let me put it this way, do you go with someone unproven with zero OC experience from OUTSIDE the organization or someone unproven with zero experience from INSIDE? Seems like you get more consistency and less risk going with Patullo. Have no clue if it's actually going to work out....but hell, with 2 Super Bowls in the bank....I can be patient and find out. There were still options. There still are
February 20Feb 20 5 hours ago, brkmsn said: Reich, Steichen, Schwartz and Gannon were all part of new coaching regimes. They were not replacements for a single vacancy on a current on a returning coaching staff. Moore was, but Fangio was with us in 2022 all year, left to be DC in Miami for one season and then asked to return here when we had a DC opening. It was his system on defense we were running in 2022 and 2023 under Desai who was an outside hire. The reason fans view in-staff promotions the way you are alluding is because they have been persuaded by others to believe certain misconceptions or half-truths about our recent coaching changes. If in-house promotions are so bad, why are all the same people that fear them so afraid of losing someone like Christian Parker, Jemal Singleton, Clint Hurtt, or, dare I say, Jeff Stoutland to another team? Yeah we're talking about guys that are mostly position coaches right now, but that is where promotions come from. Some team will promote a qualified guy eventually. Wouldn't the chances that it would work be higher in a situation where that coach remains on the same team? The current perception that fans have about promotions are based on 2023's late season woes. The only promotion in that season was Brian Johnson. I contend that he wasn't awful. The offense slipped a bit, but was still top ten in most categories. The biggest difference on the season was Hurts' INT numbers. What was awful were the additions of Desai and Patricia who were brought in from outside to replace Gannon and Fangio and collectively they failed badly. Correct, but Fangio was still an outside hire whether or not it was this season or a few years ago. He wasn't a defensive line coach that got the bump to DC. Some more outside hires that got both our secondary and DL playing lights out this season and helping Fangio lead the number 1 defense in football. Yes, bumps happen from within all of the time. This is where you lose me, personally. I'm not saying in-house options are the end of the world or a guaranteed bust. Personally, I like the idea of outside eyes for helping Sirianni get carried away, helping Hurts develop parts of his game, helping add new wrinkles to the offense. Does this mean it can't still happen? Absolutely not, but it feels less likely/extreme with someone that's been entrenched in the offense already. In part, sure, but this also goes back to Doug and being insistent on keeping coaches and promoting from within when "within" was an absolute dumpster fire. Lurie didn't like it and Doug was ultimately fired a few seasons after winning our first Superbowl. Then of course we all know the Andy Reid and Castillo debacle, but that might be too far back. The last decade has been the most successful this team has ever been and the overwhelming majority is because of outside coaching. I still think Patullo will be fine.
February 20Feb 20 Continuity in the offensive scheme is really important.......This offense really started to produce and were monsters in the playoffs. Bringing in another guy with a whole different scheme would make NO sense. This is a good choice.
February 20Feb 20 I remember when the Eagles brought in those coaches in 2020 from all over and everyone swore that would be successful and it turned out to be one of the worst seasons for the Eagles. Not sure if this hire will be successful or not, but we will need to let it play out. I don’t think people are wrong for being concerned about hiring within, but there are examples of both situations causing issues. There’s also something to be said for some kind of semblance in the offense for the sake of the quarterback. If the offense changes every year I doubt he will ever get comfortable enough to throw some of those passes we saw him hold onto this past season. Can’t keep making drastic changes every offseason.
February 20Feb 20 2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: I remember when the Eagles brought in those coaches in 2020 from all over and everyone swore that would be successful and it turned out to be one of the worst seasons for the Eagles. Not sure if this hire will be successful or not, but we will need to let it play out. I don’t think people are wrong for being concerned about hiring within, but there are examples of both situations causing issues. There’s also something to be said for some kind of semblance in the offense for the sake of the quarterback. If the offense changes every year I doubt he will ever get comfortable enough to throw some of those passes we saw him hold onto this past season. Can’t keep making drastic changes every offseason. I do agree that we don’t know how this is going to play out. There’s no rhyme or logic to whether this is going to be a good move or a bad move. I just think the recent history suggests it’s more likely to be a move that doesn’t work. I also think that there is real value to bringing in fresh eyes and just trying to tweak things and introduce new wrinkles to keep us ahead. But hey maybe the new QB coach can do that? Maybe Patullo has ideas that he’s not yet been able to implement.
February 20Feb 20 18 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I do agree that we don’t know how this is going to play out. There’s no rhyme or logic to whether this is going to be a good move or a bad move. I just think the recent history suggests it’s more likely to be a move that doesn’t work. I also think that there is real value to bringing in fresh eyes and just trying to tweak things and introduce new wrinkles to keep us ahead. But hey maybe the new QB coach can do that? Maybe Patullo has ideas that he’s not yet been able to implement. Perhaps it’s better that Patullo isn’t connected to Jalen like Johnson was. I think the rifts began from that season due to Sirianni meddling in the QB and OC’s eyes, but maybe now these guys can get firmly on the same page. This Eagles offense left a lot of meat out there especially in the passing game. Now if they can maintain the same offense perhaps we can see Jalen return to him MVP level self. We need to see it play out.
February 20Feb 20 22 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I do agree that we don’t know how this is going to play out. There’s no rhyme or logic to whether this is going to be a good move or a bad move. I just think the recent history suggests it’s more likely to be a move that doesn’t work. I also think that there is real value to bringing in fresh eyes and just trying to tweak things and introduce new wrinkles to keep us ahead. But hey maybe the new QB coach can do that? Maybe Patullo has ideas that he’s not yet been able to implement. That's my feeling as well. The biggest factor is simply that coaching hires are unpredictable so while it wouldn't have been my choice I recognize that it easily could go either way. I think we use hindsight to say why things worked or didn't work
February 21Feb 21 On 2/19/2025 at 2:04 PM, time2rock said: We were in that mode earlier this year under Moore. It wasn't until the players approached Sirianni and specifically asked to make the run game more of a focus that they shifted. And quite honestly, with a talent like Barkley, you'd be a complete idiot to move away from the run game. Patullo should know that (and still has Stout to coordinate the run game). I'm now curious to see who we bring in as QB coach. I just think balance is the answer. As close to 50/50 as possible is what keeps a defense guessing
February 21Feb 21 8 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: Perhaps it’s better that Patullo isn’t connected to Jalen like Johnson was. I think the rifts began from that season due to Sirianni meddling in the QB and OC’s eyes, but maybe now these guys can get firmly on the same page. This Eagles offense left a lot of meat out there especially in the passing game. Now if they can maintain the same offense perhaps we can see Jalen return to him MVP level self. We need to see it play out. Good shout that! This offense left a lot out there this year in the pass game. And they can’t rely on Saquon the same way next year (or at least I very much doubt they can). What I will say is this… And it goes against the point I’ve been making. Most of us wanted some consistency. Most of us wanted the same OC to give Hurt something he’s rarely had throughout his football career. Well he’s kind of got that with Patullo because there’s no massive changes that are expected. 8 hours ago, pgcd3 said: That's my feeling as well. The biggest factor is simply that coaching hires are unpredictable so while it wouldn't have been my choice I recognize that it easily could go either way. I think we use hindsight to say why things worked or didn't work Oh for sure and we all react to things (understandably because it human nature and we are on a messaging board) without knowing what is going to happen. I didn’t like the DeJean pick (didn’t like him in the first and wasn’t a big fan in the second as didn’t really like the player) but I was very very wrong.
February 21Feb 21 2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Good shout that! This offense left a lot out there this year in the pass game. And they can’t rely on Saquon the same way next year (or at least I very much doubt they can). What I will say is this… And it goes against the point I’ve been making. Most of us wanted some consistency. Most of us wanted the same OC to give Hurt something he’s rarely had throughout his football career. Well he’s kind of got that with Patullo because there’s no massive changes that are expected. Oh for sure and we all react to things (understandably because it human nature and we are on a messaging board) without knowing what is going to happen. I didn’t like the DeJean pick (didn’t like him in the first and wasn’t a big fan in the second as didn’t really like the player) but I was very very wrong. You know who put a big endorsement on this move? Thats right the soon to be traded AJ Brown 😜 In seriousness though a few players have endorsed this move. AJ thinks this will improve the passing game
February 21Feb 21 7 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: You know who put a big endorsement on this move? Thats right the soon to be traded AJ Brown 😜 In seriousness though a few players have endorsed this move. AJ thinks this will improve the passing game I hope the players are right. What I will say though is that I’m sure Moore wanted to improve the pass game but ultimately they had to change their approach. Oh and AJ will only see an improvement in the pass game if he’s still here… 😉
February 21Feb 21 Seems weird that the Saints haven't announced their DC. Combine is Monday you'd think you'd need prep with your DC. Still think it's Staley. On the other front I guessed the QB coach would be Mike McCoy in the other thread just because of connections. Eagles probably don't have to rush that one but as you're putting together this year's offense it would be good to have that voice involved whoever it is
February 21Feb 21 5 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said: You know who put a big endorsement on this move? Thats right the soon to be traded AJ Brown 😜 In seriousness though a few players have endorsed this move. AJ thinks this will improve the passing game Sometimes when players think something is best, it's not. Can you think of any particular scenario where players on a team strongly wanted a certain coach, got him, and it went well? Honest question. The most recent thing I can think of was last year when numerous Raiders players went to bat to keep Pierce as HC...which did not go well or end well. Yet, there was a threat of mutiny if they didn't keep him. It's things like that, that always makes me leery of players' opinions on coaching. Hell, Miami players hated Fangio... Not saying any of that applies here with Patullo. And I do like that Brown endorsed him, and even Hurts said good things about him in his own Hurts kinda way.
February 21Feb 21 Patullo has a 76 Madden rating, so I think he'll be serviceable but not spectacular.
February 21Feb 21 1 hour ago, EaglesAddict said: Sometimes when players think something is best, it's not. Can you think of any particular scenario where players on a team strongly wanted a certain coach, got him, and it went well? Honest question. The most recent thing I can think of was last year when numerous Raiders players went to bat to keep Pierce as HC...which did not go well or end well. Yet, there was a threat of mutiny if they didn't keep him. It's things like that, that always makes me leery of players' opinions on coaching. Hell, Miami players hated Fangio... Not saying any of that applies here with Patullo. And I do like that Brown endorsed him, and even Hurts said good things about him in his own Hurts kinda way. No, i cant really think of any and you make good points and i agree for the most part. AJ tends to speak his mind though, so while it may or may not work out i was happy he was on board with it. The Fangio thing is a great point because i was going to reply to another poster who suggested going after a Miami defensive player and i was like they freaking hated Fangio. Hell i think one our players i forget who hinted at players not buying into Fangios scheme right away
February 21Feb 21 Author 5 hours ago, pgcd3 said: Seems weird that the Saints haven't announced their DC. Combine is Monday you'd think you'd need prep with your DC. Still think it's Staley. On the other front I guessed the QB coach would be Mike McCoy in the other thread just because of connections. Eagles probably don't have to rush that one but as you're putting together this year's offense it would be good to have that voice involved whoever it is They announced today - Brandon Staley https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/saints-to-hire-brandon-staley-as-defensive-coordinator
February 21Feb 21 People keep bringing up Brian when the Offense wasn't the reason for the Collapse, the Defense was. Our Offensive numbers last year were very similar to this year outside of Saquon exploding (Jalen's passing numbers were higher actually). As long as Vic is here, this will be the difference. Having a great Defense can help with a new OC. Also the talk that this is Nick, "Press Taylor" situation. Look obviously Kevin is his guy and he earned the right to make the choice after the Super Bowl win. Kevin has been here the last 4 years, he's seen everything. I think this will be a smooth transition (Hopefully),
February 21Feb 21 14 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Good shout that! This offense left a lot out there this year in the pass game. And they can’t rely on Saquon the same way next year (or at least I very much doubt they can). What I will say is this… And it goes against the point I’ve been making. Most of us wanted some consistency. Most of us wanted the same OC to give Hurt something he’s rarely had throughout his football career. Well he’s kind of got that with Patullo because there’s no massive changes that are expected. Oh for sure and we all react to things (understandably because it human nature and we are on a messaging board) without knowing what is going to happen. I didn’t like the DeJean pick (didn’t like him in the first and wasn’t a big fan in the second as didn’t really like the player) but I was very very wrong. There were also rumors out there that Moore was planning to take Patullo with him to NO. Maybe that’s why the Eagles pulled the trigger here too. You know they usually take forever to make these kinds of moves. This time the jumped right on it. I don’t know who made the call, but the fact they made it so quickly makes me think the FO, Coach, and Quarterback were all on board with it.
February 22Feb 22 16 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: And they can’t rely on Saquon the same way next year (or at least I very much doubt they can) 2,000-yard rushers -- how they fared the following season Running Back 2,000-yard season Following season Eric Dickerson 2,105 (1984) 1,234 (1985) -- 14 games Adrian Peterson 2,097 (2012) 1,266 (2013) -- 14 games Jamal Lewis 2,066 (2003) 1,006 (2004) -- 12 games Barry Sanders 2,053 (1997) 1,491 (1998) -- 16 games Derrick Henry 2,027 (2020) 937 (2021) -- 8 games Terrell Davis 2,008 (1998) 211 (1999) -- 4 games Chris Johnson 2,006 (2009) 1,364 (2010) -- 16 games O.J. Simpson 2,003 (1973)* 1,125 (1974) -- 14 games Pretty significant drop off in production after a 2,000 yard season. They definitely need to be better in the passing game and not rely on Barkley as much
February 22Feb 22 16 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: 2,000-yard rushers -- how they fared the following season Running Back 2,000-yard season Following season Eric Dickerson 2,105 (1984) 1,234 (1985) -- 14 games Adrian Peterson 2,097 (2012) 1,266 (2013) -- 14 games Jamal Lewis 2,066 (2003) 1,006 (2004) -- 12 games Barry Sanders 2,053 (1997) 1,491 (1998) -- 16 games Derrick Henry 2,027 (2020) 937 (2021) -- 8 games Terrell Davis 2,008 (1998) 211 (1999) -- 4 games Chris Johnson 2,006 (2009) 1,364 (2010) -- 16 games O.J. Simpson 2,003 (1973)* 1,125 (1974) -- 14 games Pretty significant drop off in production after a 2,000 yard season. They definitely need to be better in the passing game and not rely on Barkley as much I think he'll hit the 1300-1400 mark
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